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A good choice that will obviously have no negative ramifications whatsoever
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A - what could go wrong????
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# ? Aug 21, 2020 14:32 |
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The vote will close at 9 PM EST tonight.
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# ? Aug 21, 2020 22:35 |
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POLLS ARE CLOSED The Fate of the Second Gyalyum A - Recognize Her as the Legitimate Ruler (17): (QuoProQuid, Technowolf, SirPhoebos, Crazycryodude, TinTower, Tulip, Ferrovanadium, RagnarokZ, WilliamAnderson, Pacho, Empress Theonora, Alikchi, GunnerJ, Gravity Cant Apple, Livewire42, Dr_Gee, Mirdini) B - Expel Her (15): (Lord Cyrahzax, ThatBasqueGuy, Soup du Jour, megane, Ralepozozaxe, Lynneth, Xelkelvos, the JJ, HereticMIND, AJ_Impy, Rody One Half, wiegieman, Ikasuhito, Iceblocks, Viola the Mad) She will be here soon.
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# ? Aug 22, 2020 02:01 |
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SHE COMES.
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# ? Aug 22, 2020 04:26 |
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THIS IS WHAT YOU ALL GET FOR REFUSING ORTHODOXY. I WILL BURN WITH YOU AND MY SMILE WILL BLACKEN AND CRISP AS I WATCH YOU SCREAM IN REALIZATION!
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# ? Aug 22, 2020 04:33 |
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Which flavor of Bon lets me do this? https://twitter.com/ddoniolvalcroze/status/1300809504339062784
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# ? Sep 1, 2020 19:12 |
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I have no idea. With the usual caveat of my not being a real expert in this area at all, I thought it was a Kapala, which is usually made out of the top of the cranium - but this is the whole skull. On the frontal bone are the Cittipati. With even less certainty, that might be an 'Om' symbol between the eye sockets, and double vajra on the top of the cranium. This might be Ranjana script on the jawbone? Kangxi fucked around with this message at 03:24 on Sep 3, 2020 |
# ? Sep 3, 2020 03:09 |
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Chapter 69: 1590 to 1600 - A Prophet Facing Backwards As told by Gyalyum II The elector-king Tingngezin I and his son were pulled from their horses and I cut them to death. My forces and I ambushed them near Goinqen. They said something but it didn't matter. May their ghosts be scattered forever. When I rode into Lhasa on horseback and camped outside Potala in a black felt tent, the court's reaction was divided between terror and amazement. How could this red-faced peasant with a Khams accent, they said, dare to claim to be the return of the greatest figures in the history of humankind? They did not know, or they denied, my recognition of objects and banners once owned by myself, nor of my recognition by members of the Restorationist sect. The electors of the Empire hurriedly convened and returned the Sacred Imperial seat to Rajputana. They conspired, both to protect their own authority and privileges, and to eliminate threats to their reign. Barely two months after my return, the noble families, loyalists to the previous emperor, and many of the merchant families of Lhasa cast their lot with treason. They saw me as a deluded impostor, incapable of rule, and so a mob stormed the palace in the winter evening and demanded my head. I escaped after climbing out a window and I ran unshod for miles to rejoin my army and follow my sworn duty. This led to the outbreak of hostilities between those forces loyal to myself, Gyalyum II, and the loyalists to the previous regime, on the belief that all would join them and I would be swiftly removed from power. Who did they take me to be? The rebels, The rebels were driven out of Lhasa. The winter would be harsh even by the standards of Tibet; and the rains fell heavy in the south. Barley, potatoes, and rice were lost, horses, donkeys, sheep, horses, yaks, dris, and dzos, all perished. Desiring to avoid a general catastrophe, I used the imperial treasury to purchase food from abroad to avoid a total collapse. Those in the outer regions of the empire, still desperate and weary from starvation, rebelled against the authority of the empire. County offices were burned, officials hung from the roofs. Our armies met again, further west of Lhasa. Still my armies marched west, leaving the south alone for a moment. And then, plague. It spread through the camps of the armies, and it spread in the cities. Brought about by bad air or foul water, and pestilence brings the mightest empires on earth to heel. The greatest ambitions brought down by something unseen. My armies went south to Thimphu, And yet without any authority in the central court, Tibet disintegrated. Armed brigands, demobilized or overlooked soldiers, took to robbery. And so I led the army into battle and defeated the rebels. It was at that point that I became convinced that the empire had to be defended and my forces had to be preserved if I was to survive. More nobles rose up - these did not argue over the right to rule per se, but they yearned to claim new rights beyond those allotted to them by the council. At this point, still more rebels flocked to the enemy, far outnumbering my own forces. It would be very convenient for them to say so. Those are kinds of stories that keep people reading. My own story is very simple. I shall cultivate my powers, and act to bring out justice. I know of the great evil that has been done, of the death of the second Pakmodru Tse and I want to correct it - for what was and what was not were only so far apart. The wrongs of the past can be undone. They must be. My allies were defeated in Lhasa and so fled the city - nobles, priests, and camp followers had slain themselves to avoid capture. And still there was rebellion, this time in the south. The army of general Gyaltsen Sonam was defeated near Koch. He was struck in the neck by a musket ball and died then. While the forces under my direct command had been successful in suppressing rebellion in the south, the plateau was almost entirely overrun. We defeated the Bengali rebels at Dhaka. And now a new set of rebels had risen up - those loyal to the old priestly organization, who practiced inquisitions and roamed from village to village in search of enemies to destroy, killing or mutilating anyone who would support myself or any opponents to the church. The hierarchy, which had been founded seven centuries ago to serve as a binding knot between all of the peoples of Tibet upon the principles of devotion to the gods had wandered far from its own grounds. The monastic centers had become centers of evil. I would go lead the army into battle against them - armies led by warrior-priests who carried blessed images of wrathful dieties and the wheel of fate. Some of the conscripts demurred at firing on holy men, but when I fired a cannon myself, that allayed their fear. I spent much time and effort to even retain the usual routes of travel. Even so, my armies were plagued by desertion and peasants refusing conscription. My armies held nearly all of the lower Ganges, but Burma and all of the plateau were lost. What mattered was that the other armies were worse - that they would surrender to us. And still there was rebellion. We had abandoned the plateau for too long - I ordered a march up towards it and we met the enemy near Thimphu and they retreated. We heard of the fall of Lhasa. It was a described like of the scrolls painted of hell - of all deeds of evil committed by three-headed demons. The snow lion banner of Tibet was engulfed in smoke; animals broke free from their stables; those fleeing from Lhasa ran slowly, as if they ran in a nightmare. Would they say the gods mock us and laugh at our misfortune? No, my dear soldiers, they weep at our misfortune. In response, my second loyal army overran the enemy and reduced them all to crawling animals. And still there was rebellion. Those possessed fanatics far outnumbered us - if the armies were separated we would easily be destroyed. We had no reserves to draw from. I had to plead with the troops, climbing up on a platform and speaking until I was hoarse. I don't even think they all heard me... No cheers. But they didn't desert as quickly. I then pursued and destroyed one enemy army near Rangpur. The only thing that gave us reprieve was that the enemy armies soon fought among themselves - assuming we were hopelessly beaten and unable to recover, they then battered each other for the throne. We made a rapid march towards Lhasa and destroyed an army at Shigatse. And still there was rebellion. Lhasa, already battered after its fall, was recaptured quickly. Many of luxuries of the palace - silks and furs - were gone. The rest stank of smoke. Many of the servants had been carted off. Most of the books were still there at least. But while our situation was improved, it was not yet safe. I led my own army south to destroy one of the remaining noble rebels. And still there was rebellion. I then heard news of catastrophe - my only remaining loyal general had lost most of her army to the hierarchy. All that was left were some of the cannons. Again, the only thing that saved us was the nobility and the church fighting each other. In Mong Yang and in dozens of other towns, they believed it was truly the end of the world. Priests there talked about somebody called Maitreya.... of the end of the world and the instantaneous return to nirvana. I took more loans, gathered up mercenaries and fought to the end. We defeated the armies of the church near Lhasa, and so bought ourselves a few more months. The East - all of Kham and the upper Irrawaddy - were still in the hands of the rebels. As in the west, all of Kashmir near the Punjab. We had only enough troops for one campaign. After some deliberation, I headed east, knowing that the west would rebel more permanently and other kingdoms would make peace with it; or perhaps the Punjabi electorate would move in. As I was on campaign, we had only one respite. A printed book had circulated among our camps, and we recieved word of the life and travels of Sigurţóra Ingvarsdotter - what a name! - A sailor from Scandinavia who had produced the most detailed single book about the other world - that was once known as Ixachitlan, although many of the people she found there either do not recognize or hate that name. For all indeed marvelled at the beauty and prosperity of the other world. When soldiers from different armies met on occasion, perhaps to barter or tell stories, they would all speak of what they had heard. Of the many nations and peoples, of cities that, even if ruined, would be as majestic as any imperial capital, and of islands like fine polished jade in a sea of turquoise, of forests as vast as continents, and of cities built upon mountain tops and stone without mortal and marvelous animals as beasts of burden. In a new age of exploration, they had all ventured forth towards the eastern half of the world, and in their trading posts and they bring wonders. I feel a longing to go there. Even if I never could. And still there was rebellion. There was a battle in a town near Sagaing... I had captured a general, whose name is not worth recalling. He all but shouted at me for what I had done, for destroying Tibet and that my foolish and hysterical delusions had brought down a great dynasty. I smiled at him. I told him that he and the followers of the evil church would be destroyed, that they would be expunged from history, that the salt and wind of the earth would destroy all trace of their presence and their houses and that there would be nothing left to remember their deeds and their traitorous cause, not even ashen pages from a burned library. He was beheaded that day. The army was beautiful, almost mathematically perfect, with its snow lion banners and wheels of fate and crimson uniforms in lines of drilled fire. And the last of the rebellious armies were defeated in the far southeast. As suddenly as it had come, the plague had receded, recurring only in a few marginal villages. Perhaps enough had died. Eventually, it was realized that this was not the end of the world, that the sun had not fallen out of the sky and that heaven and earth had not changed places, that time had not collapsed - there were those who still believed, as those beliefs do not die out so easily, but they were more ridiculed and shunned. After ten years of war, I had remained in control of the Tibetan Empire. While the empire diminished slightly in size and in population with the loss of Kashmir and the Punjab, shorn of all its colonies, in desperate want of both soldiers and treasure, beholden to its many creditors. But I still remained in power in Lhasa after years of internal warfare and dozens of conspirators hoped to unseat me. The great parliament thus paid homage to the rightful emperor. The heralds and messengers of the court were all sent out to proclaim the truth of this contest. While the earth revolted in elemental rage. Think, and reflect on what worse fates we have avoided. 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# ? Sep 7, 2020 02:25 |
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I am reminded of the Second Taifa days in al-Andalus. In game terms, what the hell just happened? I'm guessing we took a big stability hit when Gyalyum II took the throne. e. On the other hand, look at that New World! It's beautiful.
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# ? Sep 7, 2020 04:29 |
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Viola the Mad posted:
If I'm not mistaken, that's the Russian time of troubles disaster modded slightly.
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# ? Sep 7, 2020 08:49 |
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Viola the Mad posted:
Stab hit when she took the throne, stab hit when the nobles revolted, stab hit during the 'insanity of Gyalyum II' event. RabidWeasel posted:If I'm not mistaken, that's the Russian time of troubles disaster modded slightly. Modded to make things worse, basically. I'll be working on a State of the World update for 1600 soon, anything you want me to point out?
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# ? Sep 7, 2020 14:13 |
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Anything and everything about the Americas.
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# ? Sep 7, 2020 16:41 |
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how prevalent is cannibalism in the savage West these days?
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# ? Sep 7, 2020 17:02 |
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I'd like to know more about the doings of Ayiti
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# ? Sep 8, 2020 04:59 |
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Is anyone else colonizing the savages of Oyropp yet or just Ayiti?
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# ? Sep 8, 2020 14:50 |
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Kangxi posted:Stab hit when she took the throne, stab hit when the nobles revolted, stab hit during the 'insanity of Gyalyum II' event. I love the smell of ash in the morning, makes for great history. As for the state of the world, an update on the Americas/whatever they are called ITTL and an update on the Taira/Japan.
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# ? Sep 9, 2020 00:27 |
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YES, HAHAHA! YES!
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# ? Sep 9, 2020 01:26 |
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Poor Incas got kicked out of their homeland all the way to the Paraná River basin
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# ? Sep 9, 2020 01:34 |
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oh my god
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# ? Sep 9, 2020 13:07 |
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STATE OF THE WORLD: 1600 The Most Prestigious Nations in the World The Most Wide-Spread Faiths in the World The Rulers of the Sacred Tibetan Empire On the Crown Lands of Tibet Tibet recovers from a decade of internal turmoil. While on paper it is still powerful, it still is far from recovery, under the reign of the violent and obsessive Gyalyum II. The Time of Troubles, as it is called, is not yet over. To its east, China remains divided into several distinct kingdoms, as it has for the past centuries. For now, there are no wars between them, and a kind of peace has settled on the area. Korea had been gotten itself involved in several wars between the Chinese successor kingdoms over the past decades - King Jeon, who took the throne last year, seems to have little interest in such complicated affairs. The Manchu peoples are now a majority compared to the Koreans, and they live side-by-side in peace. The Taira, for some reason, have avoided any further expansion onto Korea. They retain a 'selective integration' with affairs on the continent, and the king has directed the construction of weapons manufactories as well as settlements along the vast and inhospitable northern coast. The Dahnayids of the Anatolian Empire have destroyed their rival, the Jerusalem Raj. With the assumption of the title of Caliph by Sultan Mamo II, they have not only an established claim for regional power but also aspirations towards the leadership of the whole ummah. With the sudden weakness of Tibet, Tamilakam has invaded and absorbed some of its smaller neighbors, mainly the mercantile city-states of Lanka and Calicut. Their colonial settlements sit side-by-side with Gujarati and Ethiopian claims. Ethiopia sits in a wary alliance with its northern Hindu neighbor, Egypt, against the growing expansionism of Anatolia. The brilliant Maharani, Mandera II, makes cautious moves towards controlling the mountainous interior and in destroying easy targets. Mansa Hawa IV is in the middle of an expensive war against the remnants of the Kanem-Bornu kingdom, thought to be conquered decades ago. While Mali's colonial ventures across the ocean had failed decades ago, it has had more success with proselytization, as well as expansion along the Gold Coast. Out of the decline of the Timurids, the kingdom of Khozistan has emerged as a regional power. With control of the lower Euphrates and Tigris, as well as the northern Persian Gulf, this monarchy has continued to expand at its neighbors' expense. The archipelagic kingdom of Majahapit has seen little territorial expansion since the first half of the century, with conquests along the Malay peninsula. Instead, it has concentrated on building up its holdings on Java and Sumatra, held together by a vast and well-equipped navy. On the other side of the world, the greatest power on continental Yorop/Frangistan/Awiropa is Carantania. This truly multiethnic state is held together by the teachings of Bogomilism, which represent a radical departure from pre-discovery religion and incorporates strands of anti-materialism, anti-clericalism, and Gnosticism. On the very northern end of that continent is Scandinavia. While the old matriarchy retains its vast land holdings in name, it continues to bat off various rebels with claims to the throne, and the frontier slowly marches north. While the old Triple Alliance is long-gone, one of its most enduring legacies is the Nahua state of Hualanitstlan. With a syncretic mixture of Frankish and Nahua customs, it continues a slow reclamation of territory in the west and south, and now rubs shoulders with the trading posts and colonies from across the distant ocean. Queen Cihuaton I Ayaxacatlid has won against the Mellerstafjalli Jihad, and now contemplates her next move. And now for a brief introduction to the states across the Great Western Ocean. The theocracy of Tsalagihi Ayeli has continued its long-standing policies of internal development and military expansionism. The king-priest Boudinot maintains a positive and protective relationship towards the smaller states of the Lenape, the Pequot, and the larger Haudenosaunee Confederacy. By contrast, the Shaawanwaki, the Meskwaki, and Wyandot kingdoms have formed defensive alliances as a safeguard against Tsalagi expansion. With the collapse of the Triple Appliance in the late 15th century, various groups moved to fill the power vacuum. At first, the territories of the Nʉmʉnʉʉ Sookobitʉ were vastly expanded, but they were in turn supplanted by the Ni-u-kon-ska through various feats of military expansion. The difficulty, however, lies in holding this vast territory, with not only includes various Nʉmʉnʉʉ peoples, but also a significant remnant of the Nahua population. The Tsalagi may eye an opening, or there may be another rebellion. While the Triple Alliance lost the bulk of its territory by 1500, remnants of the old empire continued to fight on until the 1590s. Out of its vast ruin, multiple successor states have sprung up. The western half of the old empire is now controlled by the Iréchecua Tzintzuntzáni, which holds territory as far west as Hawaii, and somehow retains the old Triple Alliance possession of Bermuda. Its neighbor is the Tlahtōlōyān Tlaxcallan, which had seen fruitful expansion and trade, but is slowly losing territory to its more powerful neighbor. Also of note is the aristocratic republic of the Cocomes; various city-states had rebelled around the time of the Triple Alliance's collapse - these competed with each other intensely before one triumphed over all the rest. Ayiti, indicated here in green, is one of the most successful of the colonial states of the Western Hemisphere. Currently it faces intense compeition over trade routes from its neighbors, most notably the Muisca Confederation. Thanks to Empress Theonora for the icon! Further to the southeast, the Malian colonial venture in this region was a mixed bag - on the one hand, their colony of Brazil soon folded; on the other hand, they were more successful in proselytizing and converting the Potiguara population. The Malian Empire is very close to the Potiguara - they are formal allies, and their royal families have intermarried. From its peak in the 1480s with its ephemeral conquest of the Mapuche, Tawantinsuyu now fights for its life, clinging to a rump territory in the Paraná Basin. Of its successors, one of the most outstanding is the Chimor kingdom. A MAP OF THE WORLD: 1600
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# ? Sep 10, 2020 04:57 |
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I don't recall what happened in those unclaimed parts of Awiropa. War or plague maybe? I'd kill to see what those American nations look like, and whatever the hell Western Awiropa looks like as well because it looks like a glorious mess. I'm loving the hell out of it.
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# ? Sep 10, 2020 07:43 |
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The Chaticks si Chaticks must have kicked the rear end of everyone around them to get that much prestige. Which seems about right given their rep from the 19th century where IIRC they seem to have fought just about everyone. Deeply appreciate the effort from Kangxi to name all of the NA nations using what the groups called themselves, e.g. Chaticks si Chaticks for Pawnee and Nʉmʉnʉʉ for Comanche.
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# ? Sep 10, 2020 13:00 |
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Negostrike posted:I don't recall what happened in those unclaimed parts of Awiropa. War or plague maybe? If I recall correctly, both, in significant measure. It was a huge disaster with plagues and wars and collapse around conversion time, and the conversion vote continued in that direction, I rationalized the end state as central control receding and the feudal contract breaking down with areas just doing a subsistence level thing. Not sure how accurate my speculative thing I wrote was to what Kangxi's rolling with. https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?noseen=0&threadid=3890740&pagenumber=42&perpage=40#post502086328 xthetenth fucked around with this message at 17:27 on Sep 10, 2020 |
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Traitors say that Gyalyum has brought us ruin, but this is but a prelude to glorious conquest. Soon, Tibet will be larger and grander than ever before. Tales of our deeds will be known from China to Cocomes.
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# ? Sep 10, 2020 18:00 |
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Oh yes, I forgot - some religion maps. Some spots with the old doctrine of anthropophagic transubstantiation, but the largest Christian tendency is clearly the Bogomilists. The greatest stronghold of Buddhism in the near west, the Jerusalem Raj, is no more. Hadramut, in the southern part of the Arabian peninsula, enjoys good relations with its neighbors, on the other hand. A major split between High Church and Restorationist Bon. Kangxi fucked around with this message at 15:05 on Sep 12, 2020 |
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Interlude: The Wheel Turns You should have known this was going to happen, really. Every now and then some delusional peasant thinks she's Gyalyum or Songtsen Gampo or whoever else, but now one of them not only started a rebellion but they seized the throne of Lhasa and started a decade of war. Reincarnation doesn't work like that. Right? You were one of the first to renounce the Sacred Hierarchy and your position in the Office of the Standardization of Beliefs and the Suppression of Delusions - you had a hunch this one was going to win, when you saw her army march right into Lhasa, saw her face that looked carved out of stone, and heard her commanding voice, and your legs turned to jelly and felt the compulsion to obey. Before you met the claimant, you thought you'd go over to her because you didn't want your eyes gouged out, but like everyone else you felt adoration, the need to give yourself up - and a touch of jealousy for the old sheildmaiden. For a while, you believed. You think then, as you do now, that the many enemies of right living must be sought out and purged, that the world is full of supernatural entities within every lake and upon every thunderbolt. Walking alongside her army and granting blessings of protection became giving orders, conducting astrological readings became drawing up foraging orders, reciting the old laws of seven centuries ago became carrying them out. Now, you wonder. You sit alone in your house at night and think. You've been approached by some other nobles - you know precisely what this is for. Talking about reform, or perhaps overthrow. This could be just another boozy conversation where everybody complains about taxes or the conscription of their children and does nothing. Bunch of irrelevants. But you know you'd be a legitimizing presence just by being there. You had half a mind to run over and tell Her Majesty the Empress, the Great Presence, yourself, and then she would be so grateful and the empire would be safe. That would be enough. But on the other hand... on the other hand... could this go on? Could any of this go on? You have doubt even though you've never said it. You know there would be talk about the church, what it would look like now that the Sacred Hierarchy is pushed aside. You'd need a new structure for that. Choose one of the following aspects for Restorationist Bon: But on the other hand, you have no idea what to even say if the topic of Gyalyum II comes up. Whether to keep quiet and support her further, or to cast leads out for overthrow. To have the nobles act as some moderating force, or to grant Gyalyum II even more power. Make her glorious presence go on forever... If only Pakmodru Tse was here, then it would be perfect... how could that come about? Choose one of the following reforms: A) Political Absolutism B) Legislative Houses C) Republic D) Theocracy
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# ? Sep 13, 2020 02:39 |
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Taoist Mysticism: Our armies must be unstoppable. C. Become a Republic: I must applaud the reborn Tse for helping us achieve what no other ruler of Tibet has managed: Shattering the wheel. QuoProQuid fucked around with this message at 02:52 on Sep 13, 2020 |
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e: Taoist Mysticism and C: Become Republic
Tulip fucked around with this message at 05:58 on Sep 13, 2020 |
# ? Sep 13, 2020 02:47 |
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Surely some of the old Taoist mysteries can be maintained, redefined and pondered further? Certainly would never condone a return to the, uh, falsehoods of the old Hierarchy, but a pinch of the unknown can do much to light the fire of the soul. Other institutions, I believe, it might be best to let pass away. Surely our glorious empress is the very fulfillment of her divine office! Who could replace her? Once she is gone, will the office not again fall into the corruption that saw the reborn Tse slain? We cannot allow it! A Republic of the Virtues of True Bon is the way forward.
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# ? Sep 13, 2020 02:50 |
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Taoist Mysticism. A) Political Absolutism. Tibet needs strength.
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# ? Sep 13, 2020 02:54 |
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Venerate the Second Tse and Theocracy.
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# ? Sep 13, 2020 02:55 |
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Reformed Monasticism Theocracy when the Second Gyalyum passes, we must await the arrival of the Third.
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# ? Sep 13, 2020 03:01 |
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Lord Cyrahzax posted:Surely some of the old Taoist mysteries can be maintained, redefined and pondered further? Certainly would never condone a return to the, uh, falsehoods of the old Hierarchy, but a pinch of the unknown can do much to light the fire of the soul. Agreed
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# ? Sep 13, 2020 03:12 |
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Accept the Material C: Republic Materialist Republicanism, you say? Hrm...
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# ? Sep 13, 2020 03:49 |
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McGavin posted:Venerate the Second Tse and Theocracy. This. It is the will of the true Gyalyum!
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# ? Sep 13, 2020 04:11 |
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Taoist Mysticism and Republic.
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# ? Sep 13, 2020 05:27 |
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Knuckle Slammers & Political Absolutism
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# ? Sep 13, 2020 06:01 |
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Taoist Mysticism and Republic. Will be interesting to see where the narrative takes a republic, but that presupposes that the republic survives.
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Caustic Soda posted:Taoist Mysticism and Republic. this
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