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Imperial Mexico in this case would most likely be a successful Toltec empire - the Aztec/Nahua didn't get bit until the 14th and 15th centuries. Similarly, their great foes wouldn't be the Inca, but rather an alliance of regional powers such as the Tiwanaku and Chimu. I'll nerd out about all those later-on though, I guess. Because hell yeah, Sunset Invasion. One of my favourite DLC in CK2, bar none. This is gonna be good.
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Plenty of nerding out so far. I don't know nearly as much about the Aztec cultures as I do about the Maya and Peruvian ones, so I'll not talk any about the most bloodthirsty bastards that side of the ocean. I'm gonna focus on my favourites, the Inca and their predecessors. Pacho posted:[Snip on a bunch of stuff about OTL Inca] In Tibet's timeline an ambitious ruler around 500-600 AD could have used his soft power to strengthen Tiwanaku's influence in some way or form to bring the various citystates and petty kingdoms into a loose-ish alliance with one high king. If this happened, we could have things like a thriving Nazca people. The Wari people were fairly influential at the time as well, probably in a coalition with the coastal states of the time. They'd likely play the counterweight to Tiwanaku's influence, kind of like a Prussia-Austria situation but trying to gain political superiority through diplomacy rather than outright warfare. There most likely were plenty of raids from more nomadic tribes and cultures forcing them to keep playing nice with each other. In a nutshell, militaristically strong Wari versus cultural/religious powerhouse Tiwanaku with dozens of minor to medium states all vying to be the Big Kahuna is the most likely scenario right now, in Peru. Polynesian colonisers or Peruvians colonising into Polynesia is feasible, if kind of unlikely? The distances involved are significant, though it'd be more likely for Polynesians to visit and potentially establish a city-state in the north, near the modern Peru-Ecuador border. Isla Puná and surrounds would be an ideal location, potentially. Galapagos could be a 'pit-stop' for them.
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habeasdorkus posted:Oh god yes. The midsized ground sloths like Mylodon were over 1000 kg and lasted until ~5000 BCE. I don't think large animal domestication started in the new world until like 3000 BCE with the llama, but I think guinea pigs were further back than that. So if domestication kicks off earlier, you've got a potential for the functional equivalent of the aurochs or water buffalo.
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Thinking about it - if Mylodon (and Megatherium) were domesticated, it would most likely first have happened around the Pampas of Argentina, Uruguay and south Brazil. It's fairly flat terrain, temperate and generally equivalent to the Great Plains, or France and Germany. Temperatures are fairly mild, with frost only in a few months of the year, allowing for almost year-round agriculture. The risk of tornados exists, but isn't as crazy as in the modern US. This leads me to believe that the Pampas would have become the Americas' initial Cradle of Civilisation rather than the Norte Chico civilisation in Peru, possibly developing a few centuries earlier - or at the same time, which would be interesting, too. Assuming they develop alongside each other, we're looking at a situation not unlike the Middle East with initially competing city-states emerging, then slowly coalescing. The two civilisations would probably develop along wildly different lines, with Norte Chico's successors moving along the same lines as OTL, but possibly a little faster, with more stability as the Mylodon and Megatherium make their way into the Andes over the centuries. Our hypothetical Pampas civilisation could go along similar lines to either Sumerian civilisations, or along the lines of the Indus Valley civilisation (the Valley being another 'Cradle'' OTL, for the record), with significant cities emerging quite early-on. Around 2,000-1,500 BC we'd probably be looking at the some cities in the Amazon Forest popping up, with a significant chunk of the general continent sporting people bunched up like that. Mostly along the coastline or the Amazon River though, I figure. There is a decent amount of evidence that the Amazon could sustain at least 5 million people, perhaps a little more, with the methods of the time. With domesticated Sloths, we can safely raise that by 50% at least, if not more. Very disparate though, because I honestly don't think the locals would start burning the whole bloody forest down, rather than learning how to keep the forest alive while farming efficiently. By 1,000-500 BC we're likely looking at equivalent development as in Europe. There'd absolutely be a powerful iron-using civilisation in Bolivia, because 10% of the world's iron ore is in one place. And that's kinda crazy. Sky's the limit from here, and I still like the HRE-like coalition of states and statelets centered around the Andes being the 'Aztec' Empire's biggest enemy. Gunpowder is almost an afterthought, because with such widespread civilisation, hell yes they'd develop the stuff and militarise it. Feel free to pick and tear apart what I wrote, I'm mostly thinking out loud. Edit: Also, Kangxi, feel free to link to any of my poo poo. Lynneth fucked around with this message at 13:02 on Jul 20, 2019 |
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Pacho posted:It would be incredibly funny if Tiawanaku was South America's Rome-like iron age hegemon that later polities are doomed to try to reach their heights and fail It'd probably not be Tiwanaku as the continent's Rome - they'd be a successor state of a Rome equivalent, I'd think. Said equivalent would more likely be a Nazca analogue. Because I want geoglyphs (aka Nazca Lines) everywhere. Tiwanaku could be either a France or Byzantine-like state, holding on to the legacy of their forefathers while harried on all sides by hostiles trying to get a piece of the pie. Except they also have to work with all the barbarians around them to push against the Maya and Aztec states in the north, against the petty kings of the Pampas, and whatever polities there exist in the Amazon. If we go by guns having been invented by the Andean states, I'd figure Tiwanaku or Wari would've pioneered that. So we've potentially got Byzantium on steroids, with guns. I like it. Meanwhile, back to the LP: I hope we'll get a bigger view of the world soon. I'm curious just how hosed-up things end up being west of the Caspian Sea.
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Jul 21, 2019 13:37
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Time skip plus custom events as necessary seems the most sensible to me.
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Aug 25, 2019 20:06
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And so it shall be War.
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Sep 8, 2019 09:32
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Leave her alone. Do not interfere with the plans of those greater than you.
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Oct 3, 2019 09:44
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Oct 26, 2019 17:33
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A. I for one wish for an Eternal Empress. (Who converts to Daoism because hey, she's got the advisor right there)
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Nov 4, 2019 13:35
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Nope.
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Nov 17, 2019 12:22
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Magnificent. Soon, it will be time to worldbuild more. 
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Dec 21, 2019 12:07
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MaxieSatan posted:Unrelated to the ongoing vote, but I put together a couple variants on a potential Jin China flag - Try putting the purple of the first into the is-that-even-purple of the second. The second's poipl seems a bit too washed-out, in my opinion.
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Jan 6, 2020 15:45
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Yes, yeees  The best timeline.
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Feb 20, 2020 13:46
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I want to vote administrative, but none have voted for it yet, so... Innovative. Second best.
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Apr 16, 2020 16:00
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xthetenth posted:Oh wow the aztecs have fallen hard. Looks like they had a massive civil war and split into their constituent parts - they were at 800+ development at the beginning of EU4.
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May 3, 2020 10:53
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Throwing my lot in with Diplomatic Ideas Parliament I would also like to know more about the Trading Coasts.
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May 18, 2020 17:32
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Viola the Mad posted:[Snip] Sperging is what we're here for. That said, I really like the interpretation of the Tenno being a purely ceremonial or religious title in this timeline.
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May 25, 2020 19:50
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Archaeologists of the future will have such a field day. with the Roman ruins.
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Jun 29, 2020 12:40
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Jul 25, 2020 14:50
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Aug 5, 2020 21:32
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Bloody hell, another impostor. B)
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Aug 15, 2020 22:49
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Oct 14, 2020 13:54
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Get out of the empire. Its time has come.
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Oct 19, 2020 01:02
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Oct 24, 2020 17:59
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Southern Trade will make us rich beyond belief
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Nov 12, 2020 17:12
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Less delegation The economy, fools!
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Dec 21, 2020 01:04
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Kangxi posted:
I appear to have been counted doubly. Twice.
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Dec 26, 2020 10:45
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The vote is closed.
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Jan 4, 2021 13:46
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Kangxi posted:With unanimous votes for unlimited military expansion. I love democracy.
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Feb 7, 2021 16:27
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A for more Purgyals.
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Feb 16, 2021 14:16
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May 23, 2021 11:59
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F NO, damnit
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Jun 19, 2021 11:17
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I just want the drat recipe, not a lesson on history! (Great update!)
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Oct 22, 2021 20:24
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Information in Incan successors, please
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Nov 21, 2021 17:56
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Thank you for the fantastic ride, Kangxi.
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Apr 5, 2022 17:00
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Kangxi posted:https://store.steampowered.com/app/529340/Victoria_3/ Time to wait for 2-4 expansions for it to become playable 
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V3 needs another year or two of cooking, and a DLC or three. Much like most PDox games, really.
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