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Who Will Be The New Tory Leader? This poll is closed.
Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson	71	12.66%
Michael Andrew Kaajh'Kaalbh Gove	22	3.92%
Jeremy coughunt	29	5.17%
James, Cleverly	1	0.18%
App Mancock	4	0.71%
The Brexit Party	31	5.53%
Rory 'Midnight Oil' Stewart	15	2.67%
Mark 'Wedding Crasher' Harper	0	0%
Kit 'Tokelau Smith' Malthouse	0	0%
Priti 'Little Liar' Patel	2	0.36%
Dominic 'Rennie' Raab	11	1.96%
'Andrea' Leadsom	5	0.89%
Jess Phillips	31	5.53%
Esther McVey	1	0.18%
Jacobus Rhesus-Moggus	6	1.07%
Dr. Ivo Robotnik	75	13.37%
Alastair Campbell	12	2.14%
Sinn Fein Dad	46	8.20%
Pissflaps	199	35.47%
Total:	561 votes

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Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

Just saw Jess Phillips's book in the science and philosophy section at Waterstones so I'm anti-science now.

crispix posted:

4 is a genius policy. I honestly think any party could win a landslide by pledging to bring back Ceefax coupled with a policy to implement a nationwide rubbish sorting and processing infrastructure with local weekly collection of one, big bin from each household.

That sounds like the kind of thing you could do with an app. (Ceefax, not the bins, but I'm sure some SV disrupter is thinking about Uber for bins right now.)

crispix posted:

You evidently don't talk to many old people. Too many confusing bins and recycling-gone-mad and lazy-bin-men-not-arsed-with-the-job-like-in-the-good-old-days-when-they-had-to-hoy-big-metal-dustbins-about-all-day is an issue that could make them forget all about Brexit in the space of a week

Bins were better when people did their backs in to move half as much rubbish. :freep:

Bobby Deluxe posted:

Plus you can punch the Borgia antipope in the face, where else can you say you can do that?

The Vatican :v:

Bobby Deluxe posted:

There is also the idea that you do need something like the assassins in an anarchist utopia, because assholes are always going to pop up and cause poo poo, so you do need someone willing to keep the weeds pruned so that the general population can get on with being free without someone using that freedom to gently caress everyone back into capitalism.

Who assassinates the assassins?

Pesky Splinter posted:

And also, as it's been six months, an updated Previous Threads list:
Previous Threads

e: The number 4 features a lot in Passover, for example there are four questions to be asked, one of which is "why is Jeremy Corbyn here with a beetroot?"

Guavanaut fucked around with this message at 15:09 on Jun 1, 2019

# ? Jun 1, 2019 15:05

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# ? Apr 26, 2024 04:47

StarkingBarfish: Jun 25, 2006; Novus Ordo Seclorum

The original Deus Ex is pretty heavily COY(anticapitalist)A. The dialog and reading material strewn throughout the game tend to lean left and much of the game is you as an antifa supersoldier taking on a corrupt state. The endings are a bit of a letdown as they only really let you pick between 'benevolent' dictator, shadow government invisible hand illuminatus or a primitive anarcho-syndicalism but I like to think the benevolent dictator one means you can enact fully automated luxury gay communism at your leisure.

The Revision mod that came out recently breathes some life into what is now an antique game but the gameplay and vast array of choices you can make has always been top notch. You can play it without killing except for one person which is really good fun.

# ? Jun 1, 2019 15:07

OwlFancier: Aug 22, 2013

I'm pretty sure when I did deus ex I caused the singularity.

But seriously if you've never played deus ex you should, it's like if alex jones's brain was the setting of a surpririsingly good stealth-em-up with that wonderful unreal engine feel to it, and a loving incredible soundtrack.

# ? Jun 1, 2019 15:09

gh0stpinballa: Mar 5, 2019

lynne adeptly summarising the entirety of lib dem politics in one tweet here

https://twitter.com/lfeatherstone/status/1134821134833258497?s=19

# ? Jun 1, 2019 15:12

StarkingBarfish: Jun 25, 2006; Novus Ordo Seclorum

OwlFancier posted:

I'm pretty sure when I did deus ex I caused the singularity.

But seriously if you've never played deus ex you should, it's like if alex jones's brain was the setting of a surpririsingly good stealth-em-up with that wonderful unreal engine feel to it, and a loving incredible soundtrack.

Some of the hammy dialog is top notch too. No, not the 'JC, a bomb!' one.

# ? Jun 1, 2019 15:15

OwlFancier: Aug 22, 2013

What a shame.

gently caress it I can't not post it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmOCsiZgAbg

# ? Jun 1, 2019 15:18

Jose: Jul 24, 2007; Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-tzs47o33A

# ? Jun 1, 2019 15:20

OwlFancier: Aug 22, 2013

Old men, running the world, a new age! I think also sums up modern politics tbh.

The withdrawal agreement is going online within six months. We will be voting on it in parliament within six months.

# ? Jun 1, 2019 15:21

bessantj: Jul 27, 2004

loving good.

Hartley-Brewer 'no-platformed' by GPs over Enoch Powell tweet

quote:

The Royal College of GPs has rescinded Julia Hartley-Brewer's invitation to speak at its 2019 conference after doctors complained about a tweet defending Enoch Powell.

quote:

She also said: "I'm not defending Powell, I just don't see anything in the Rivers speech that he got wrong."

Enoch Powell was an MP most famous for his 1968 Rivers of Blood speech, where he said by permitting mass immigration the country was "heaping up its own funeral pyre".

Responding to the RCGP's decision for the Spectator, Ms Hartley-Brewer said she was "commenting on the accuracy of his predictions" about integration, rather than making a moral judgment which endorsed his views.

# ? Jun 1, 2019 15:27

ronya: Nov 8, 2010; I'm the normal one.

You hate ridden fucks will regret your words when you eventually grow up.

Peace.

Braggart posted:

A genuinely good Ronya post.

But you should apologise for your callous words about mental health before.

I see that this is becoming A Thing so I am going to nip it in the bud. For the record, this is what I said:

ronya posted:

quote:
Anyone in this thread that thinks that Brexit is the biggest issue facing this country can suck my loving dick. This attitude is the exact thing that got us here, because it requires an adamant refusal to recognise that the working class has been hosed by successive governments for decades. And don't give me that liquefied shite that Brexit "will just makes things worse".

It is already bad. People are already dead or dying because of the state that this country is in due to austerity; a wound we have inflicted on ourselves by refusing to choose a truly socialist option for nearly half a century. To pretend that being anti-Brexit, but not to consider austerity more severe and more damaging, is the position of the priveleged, and I do not give a solitary gently caress if you disagree with me because it is the truth.

My girlfriend is already struggling to get any help whatsoever with her severe mental health condition - borderline personality disorder - that has seen us fight for FIVE YEARS just to have a chance at getting the right treatment. This is before Brexit. This is an erosion of public services that is one thousand times the crisis that Brexit will ever be. People are being killed by Tory policy, and I am sick to death of the liberal cunts coming to this thread to wring their hands over Labour's Brexit position.

They're not in government. They probably won't be, at this rate, until after Brexit is resolved. If you think their stance on Brexit is weak, fine, whatever. But do not pretend to me that Corbyn's politics on just about any other issue (there are a few exceptions e.g. more money for coppers but that's not I'm talking about here) is not the absolute minimum standard we should all be holding ourselves to when we consider who to vote for, because if you don't, then you are voting to further the causes of Brexit, regardless of your intentions.

don't kid yourself, Corbyn will horse-trade away on austerity as well. This, after all, was exactly what he did with the 2017 manifesto. Tuition fees had a higher place on the totem pole

the main plank of the left which Corbyn has gone to bat for, iron logic of triangulation be damned, is foreign policy

everyone else is on the chopping block, although of course the liberals are the horses least missed

And then:

ronya posted:

quote:
Shut the gently caress up ronya.

Corbyn isn't perfect. He's the absolute minimum acceptable candidate. Everyone else is worse. He's the only person that might actually stop my girlfriend from actually, unironically, killing herself.

Get a loving grip.

this is, uh, not a great mental health approach to any political movement, has to be said

It would be callous to deride the importance of mental health policy or treatment. It is not callousness to argue that the given actually-existing professional politician will in fact tactically sideline mental health policy and treatment, as a claim based on actual past conduct - blasphemy it may be, but I absolutely refuse to accept that calling this out constitutes callousness. And I base this on the fact that he did: actually-existing Ed Miliband ran on reversing most of Osborne's welfare cuts and actually-existing Corbyn ran on keeping most of it. You can wish it were otherwise, you can say that Corbyn is only costing manifestos because of the perfidious liberals and the damned media and the accursed neoliberal consensus, but presented with that constraint, reversing austerity's impact on the welfare bill sticker price was the cause that was sidelined.

(source; if this is counter-intuitive, this was the thrust of McDonnell's 'whole reform package'. Reversing austerity - cuts to working-age benefits - had a hard cap of �2bn, but policies targeting the squeezed middle got much better treatment)

It's not that the new hard left loves itself some austerity, of course: it's that it has too many other priorities and all of those came first, like cheaper train tickets and cutting tuition fees and still getting that OBR stamp of approval. Electability is a hell of a drug. Other features of Corbynism - newfound love for the London Met, or (to say the least) that much-ballyhooed tactical ambiguity on Europe and immigration - are consistent features of the necessity of triangulation, not a curious aberration from his years as a GLC veteran. You might denounce the fecklesness of Labour in opposition in 2015 whipping to abstain on Osborne's welfare cuts (those brave rebel backbenchers!), but fast forward to 2019 and here is Labour, still in opposition, under a different leadership, whipping to abstain on a bad immigration bill for exactly the same reasons. It turns out that talk is cheap from the back benches.

Corbyn is not unprincipled - see, again, a consistent opposition to imperialism in foreign policy - but amongst those non-negotiable principles, immigration is not one of them. Europe, neither, of course (7/10, to be precise). But neither is opposition to austerity. This is the champion Firos is righteously embracing as the difference between opposing austerity or not opposing austerity: he who boldly shifted the party from a commitment to reversing the Tory cuts to a commitment to keeping most of it. This isn't a hard-left-wing-man-makes-hard-left-wing-choices re: Brexit, this is just feckless credulity.

# ? Jun 1, 2019 15:33

Jose: Jul 24, 2007; Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

bessantj posted:

loving good.

Hartley-Brewer 'no-platformed' by GPs over Enoch Powell tweet

the usual suspects are up in arms on twitter about it

# ? Jun 1, 2019 15:39

Pistol_Pete: Sep 15, 2007; Oven Wrangler

Just been down at the Extinction Rebellion demos in Bristol city centre. Was pretty well-attended.

# ? Jun 1, 2019 15:47

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

bessantj posted:

quote:
She also said: "I'm not defending Powell, I just don't see anything in the Rivers speech that he got wrong."

So the black man now has the whip hand over the white, the country is majority non-white, and everybody simultaneously wants to move here and also move overseas?

hosed up if true.

The only bit he got right is that our schools and hospitals are inadequate for the population we have, but he gets that rear end-backwards too.

# ? Jun 1, 2019 15:49

bessantj: Jul 27, 2004

Jose posted:

the usual suspects are up in arms on twitter about it

Racists do like to circle their wagons.

# ? Jun 1, 2019 15:55

Borrovan: Aug 15, 2013; IT IS ME.
🧑‍💼
I AM THERESA MAY

ronya posted:

(& a graph, even??)

P sure the problem is that you responded to someone clearly upset by their partner's potential future suicide with a flippant dismissal. Regardless of what you actually meant (& no I didn't read the word salad) it was thoughtless & insensitive, & no amount of graphs equate to a simple apology for being a dick

# ? Jun 1, 2019 16:04

josh04: Oct 19, 2008; "THE FLASH IS THE REASON
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OwlFancier posted:

Old men, running the world, a new age! I think also sums up modern politics tbh.

The withdrawal agreement is going online within six months. We will be voting on it in parliament within six months.

never 4get

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t79nk5oKdJQ

# ? Jun 1, 2019 16:12

Firos: Apr 30, 2007; Staying abreast of the latest developments in jam communism

ronya posted:

quote:
quote:
I see that this is becoming A Thing so I am going to nip it in the bud. For the record, this is what I said:

don't kid yourself, Corbyn will horse-trade away on austerity as well. This, after all, was exactly what he did with the 2017 manifesto. Tuition fees had a higher place on the totem pole

the main plank of the left which Corbyn has gone to bat for, iron logic of triangulation be damned, is foreign policy

everyone else is on the chopping block, although of course the liberals are the horses least missed

And then:

this is, uh, not a great mental health approach to any political movement, has to be said

It would be callous to deride the importance of mental health policy or treatment. It is not callousness to argue that the given actually-existing professional politician will in fact tactically sideline mental health policy and treatment, as a claim based on actual past conduct - blasphemy it may be, but I absolutely refuse to accept that calling this out constitutes callousness. And I base this on the fact that he did: actually-existing Ed Miliband ran on reversing most of Osborne's welfare cuts and actually-existing Corbyn ran on keeping most of it. You can wish it were otherwise, you can say that Corbyn is only costing manifestos because of the perfidious liberals and the damned media and the accursed neoliberal consensus, but presented with that constraint, reversing austerity's impact on the welfare bill sticker price was the cause that was sidelined.

quote:
(source; if this is counter-intuitive, this was the thrust of McDonnell's 'whole reform package'. Reversing austerity - cuts to working-age benefits - had a hard cap of �2bn, but policies targeting the squeezed middle got much better treatment)

It's not that the new hard left loves itself some austerity, of course: it's that it has too many other priorities and all of those came first, like cheaper train tickets and cutting tuition fees and still getting that OBR stamp of approval. Electability is a hell of a drug. Other features of Corbynism - newfound love for the London Met, or (to say the least) that much-ballyhooed tactical ambiguity on Europe and immigration - are consistent features of the necessity of triangulation, not a curious aberration from his years as a GLC veteran. You might denounce the fecklesness of Labour in opposition in 2015 whipping to abstain on Osborne's welfare cuts (those brave rebel backbenchers!), but fast forward to 2019 and here is Labour, still in opposition, under a different leadership, whipping to abstain on a bad immigration bill for exactly the same reasons. It turns out that talk is cheap from the back benches.

Corbyn is not unprincipled - see, again, a consistent opposition to imperialism in foreign policy - but amongst those non-negotiable principles, immigration is not one of them. Europe, neither, of course (7/10, to be precise). But neither is opposition to austerity. This is the champion Firos is righteously embracing as the difference between opposing austerity or not opposing austerity: he who boldly shifted the party from a commitment to reversing the Tory cuts to a commitment to keeping most of it. This isn't a hard-left-wing-man-makes-hard-left-wing-choices re: Brexit, this is just feckless credulity.

Shut the gently caress up ronya.

# ? Jun 1, 2019 16:17

seizure later: Apr 18, 2007

ronya posted:

words

I hope you don't talk like this irl because loving lol

# ? Jun 1, 2019 16:19

Julio Cruz: May 19, 2006

seizure later posted:

I hope you don't talk like this irl because loving lol

ronya is part of the Jordan Peterson school of "use enough big words and nonsensical arguments and people will believe you're intelligent"

# ? Jun 1, 2019 16:21

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

Borrovan posted:

no amount of graphs equate to a simple apology for being a dick

y = |sin(x)| + 5*exp(-x^100)*cos(x) from -3 to 3

# ? Jun 1, 2019 16:23

OwlFancier: Aug 22, 2013

Have you considered, statistically, that your depression is very irrational? I am very smart yes.

# ? Jun 1, 2019 16:23

NinpoEspiritoSanto: Oct 22, 2013

ronya posted:

I see that this is becoming A Thing so I am going to nip it in the bud. For the record, this is what I said:
<snip>

You responded to a post someone made where they clearly indicated how loving dire their position is in a pretty emotionally raw post. You, bereft of any empathy, completely glossed over their post to make some point about Corbyn not necessarily making that situation any better, neener neener.

No one gives a gently caress if you were Factually Correct in this instance, your reply was as much of a "Torybot beep boop bad things happen" as it gets.

# ? Jun 1, 2019 16:25

ronya: Nov 8, 2010; I'm the normal one.

You hate ridden fucks will regret your words when you eventually grow up.

Peace.

Borrovan posted:

P sure the problem is that you responded to someone clearly upset by their partner's potential future suicide with a flippant dismissal. Regardless of what you actually meant (& no I didn't read the word salad) it was thoughtless & insensitive, & no amount of graphs equate to a simple apology for being a dick

and he's responding to people clearly upset by telling them to suck his loving dick, if you perhaps forgot the tenor of the thread he was sallying into

flippant disregard for others deserves nothing better

# ? Jun 1, 2019 16:25

ronya: Nov 8, 2010; I'm the normal one.

You hate ridden fucks will regret your words when you eventually grow up.

Peace.

and really, this thread of all places pleading :decorum:

# ? Jun 1, 2019 16:28

NinpoEspiritoSanto: Oct 22, 2013

https://twitter.com/talkRADIO/status/1134460568646180865

# ? Jun 1, 2019 16:29

DesperateDan: Dec 10, 2005; Where's my cow?

Is that my cow?

No it isn't, but it still tramples my bloody lavender.

Yo. Ronya.

gently caress off.

# ? Jun 1, 2019 16:29

Borrovan: Aug 15, 2013; IT IS ME.
🧑‍💼
I AM THERESA MAY

ronya posted:

and really, this thread of all places pleading ?

Oh, my bad.

Firos posted:

Shut the gently caress up ronya.

# ? Jun 1, 2019 16:31

Jollity Farm: Apr 23, 2010

Guavanaut posted:

So the black man now has the whip hand over the white, the country is majority non-white, and everybody simultaneously wants to move here and also move overseas?

hosed up if true.

The only bit he got right is that our schools and hospitals are inadequate for the population we have, but he gets that rear end-backwards too.

JHB is Not Racist�, but just happens to be of the opinion that black people have too much power these days :thunk:

Of all the public figures with the same birthday as me (that I know of), she is definitely the worst.

# ? Jun 1, 2019 16:32

OwlFancier: Aug 22, 2013

DesperateDan posted:

Yo. Ronya.

gently caress off.

Thirding this motion.

# ? Jun 1, 2019 16:32

Julio Cruz: May 19, 2006

Firos posted:

Shut the gently caress up ronya.

DesperateDan posted:

Yo. Ronya.

gently caress off.

one day in and already we're getting some fantastic new potential thread titles

# ? Jun 1, 2019 16:33

Firos: Apr 30, 2007; Staying abreast of the latest developments in jam communism

ronya posted:

and he's responding to people clearly upset by telling them to suck his loving dick, if you perhaps forgot the tenor of the thread he was sallying into

flippant disregard for others deserves nothing better

I just want you to know that you are probably the second most tedious poster that this thread has ever known. You are categorically unable to grasp that other humans have experiences and emotions that influence their beliefs and ideology. Post as many graphs as you want but you've demonstrated to just about everyone in this thread that you're absolutely incapable of understanding the emotional gravity that should be afforded to lived experience.

If my choices are between a chance that things might, maybe, be better for the sake of my girlfriend's actual life, and just bleak nothingness? The inevitability of the person that I love taking her own life? I don't even know why I'm posting this in response to you because you are obviously unable to understand. It's a non-choice. There is an absolute right answer here. And that answer is the same for anyone who has ever or will ever interact with the welfare state in this country in any meaningful way.

You and your kind are what has made the world what it is now. A bonegrinding machine for the very worst off. And the fact you're unable to even apologise for the hurt you've caused is beyond pathetic.

# ? Jun 1, 2019 16:33

ronya: Nov 8, 2010; I'm the normal one.

You hate ridden fucks will regret your words when you eventually grow up.

Peace.

Gah. Whatever, I get the point. Firos, my apologies, I should definitely have worded that better (or said nothing at all).

Getting off the keyboard for a bit.

# ? Jun 1, 2019 16:34

Shyrka: Feb 10, 2005; Small Boss likes to spin!

StarkingBarfish posted:

The original Deus Ex is pretty heavily COY(anticapitalist)A. The dialog and reading material strewn throughout the game tend to lean left and much of the game is you as an antifa supersoldier taking on a corrupt state. The endings are a bit of a letdown as they only really let you pick between 'benevolent' dictator, shadow government invisible hand illuminatus or a primitive anarcho-syndicalism but I like to think the benevolent dictator one means you can enact fully automated luxury gay communism at your leisure.

The Revision mod that came out recently breathes some life into what is now an antique game but the gameplay and vast array of choices you can make has always been top notch. You can play it without killing except for one person which is really good fun.

Deus Ex is loving on point.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxOKEsBx4NU&t=1404s

The worst thing is when I first played it, I just loving tazed the guy on top of the statue of liberty without even talking to him because I was a good jackbooted thug

# ? Jun 1, 2019 16:36

OwlFancier: Aug 22, 2013

Hey at least you didn't shoot him after he surrendered :v:

# ? Jun 1, 2019 16:37

Rumda: Nov 4, 2009; Moth Lesbian Comrade

ronya posted:

Gah. Whatever, I get the point. Firos, my apologies, I should definitely have worded that better (or said nothing at all).

Getting off the keyboard for a bit.

gently caress off and stay hosed off

Maybe you should have realised what a loving dick you are before you had the entire thread telling you to gently caress off for nearly a week

# ? Jun 1, 2019 16:38

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

Jollity Farm posted:

JHB is Not Racist™, but just happens to be of the opinion that black people have too much power these days

Does she have a preferred time period for black:white power relations?

Is it pre-1976 or pre-1833?

# ? Jun 1, 2019 16:40

OwlFancier: Aug 22, 2013

Also TIL that apparently the guy who did the silly commentary over half life is at least some measure of anticorporatist, huh.

# ? Jun 1, 2019 16:41

NinpoEspiritoSanto: Oct 22, 2013

Firos posted:

I just want you to know that you are probably the second most tedious poster that this thread has ever known. You are categorically unable to grasp that other humans have experiences and emotions that influence their beliefs and ideology. Post as many graphs as you want but you've demonstrated to just about everyone in this thread that you're absolutely incapable of understanding the emotional gravity that should be afforded to lived experience.

If my choices are between a chance that things might, maybe, be better for the sake of my girlfriend's actual life, and just bleak nothingness? The inevitability of the person that I love taking her own life? I don't even know why I'm posting this in response to you because you are obviously unable to understand. It's a non-choice. There is an absolute right answer here. And that answer is the same for anyone who has ever or will ever interact with the welfare state in this country in any meaningful way.

It's also the same answer, or should be, for anyone capable of any loving empathy at all. Finding fault with Corbyn just to be loving contrarian is infuriating because it demonstrates a personality that just does not give a single gently caress about the people Corbyn wants to help most. In this way fubpees are worse than the actual fash they enable, the fash are at least open with their hatred while the centrist just wants everyone to get along while they pull the ladder up behind them as fast as they loving possibly can.

If the centre wasn't full of idiots with second homes in better weather, brexit would have won by a landslide and all of this would be moot.

# ? Jun 1, 2019 16:44

Rarity: Oct 21, 2010; ~*4 LIFE*~

Pistol_Pete posted:

Just been down at the Extinction Rebellion demos in Bristol city centre. Was pretty well-attended.

Oh hey I passed that while doing my grocery shopping earlier. Glad to hear there was a good turnout!

# ? Jun 1, 2019 16:45

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# ? Apr 26, 2024 04:47

Shyrka: Feb 10, 2005; Small Boss likes to spin!

OwlFancier posted:

Hey at least you didn't shoot him after he surrendered

I got better later on in the game, I wanted to have a proper chat with the guy in the plane later on so I stuck a LAM on the wall outside to make sure no one would ambush me or whatever while I listened to what he had to say about Paul.

Queue Anna Navare running in and immediately getting exploded. Lucky the dude who monitors your missions from HQ was surprisingly happy to scrub the records of that happening.

# ? Jun 1, 2019 16:46

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