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Wafflecopper
Nov 27, 2004

I am a mouth, and I must scream

mcmagic posted:

I was confused as to why she was going to stay in the hotel? I thought that was implying that the Clea Duvall's character was with someone else and thats why they kept saying it was so awkward?

I read it as Emily being traumatised as gently caress and having trouble getting back into normal civilization and a normal relationship.

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Wafflecopper
Nov 27, 2004

I am a mouth, and I must scream

I could be wrong but I don't see how they'd make a handmaid, especially one known to be problematic and who has already been caught trying to escape once, into an Aunt. Remember that handmaids are handmaids because of various transgressions against Gilead's family values (obviously working wombs are part of it too but not all mothers are handmaids) and are already one of the lowest castes in that society, and June has pulled a bunch of poo poo on top of that. It does kind of seem like her arch is heading that way though, so who knows.

Wafflecopper fucked around with this message at 09:33 on Jun 18, 2019

Wafflecopper
Nov 27, 2004

I am a mouth, and I must scream

Combat Pretzel posted:

Guess I'm not gonna watch this.

Either I'm an episode behind or OP only watched the first ep

Wafflecopper
Nov 27, 2004

I am a mouth, and I must scream

He wants to bang Fred, it wasnít subtle

Wafflecopper
Nov 27, 2004

I am a mouth, and I must scream

Other than the nuclear threat idk why everyone is so scared of Gilead's military when they're fighting an insurgency/war on multiple home fronts. No matter how powerful they are on paper they're in no position to be going on the offensive against a foreign state. If they had the capacity to seriously threaten Canada, they'd be taking a much more aggressive diplomatic stance with them about the refugees and the fact that there is in an insurgency along almost the entirety of their mutual border, which is obviously being supplied via Canadian territory. If the Canadian government isn't actively supporting the rebels themselves, it is at the very least turning a blind eye to people using its territory to do so, and openly welcoming refugees and allowing them to share their stories with the world. It doesn't make sense for Canada to suddenly be so scared of Gilead over one baby.

That said, we're all analysing the details of a map that was on-screen for like one or two seconds on the show, and it's entirely possible that we're putting a lot more thought into it than they did themselves or intended us to.

I still like this show quite a lot, but I do think a lot of the criticisms have some validity, even if I find it kinda weird how much some people seem to hate it. It's nowhere near late-GoT level. It's still well acted, well shot, and... mostly well-written imo. The "June stares" scenes are definitely way overused. I think they were effective when the show was new, because you'd be processing a lot of how horrible Gilead is at the same time as her and watching her struggle with something awful that just happened, but after three seasons of constant use they lose their impact. I love most of the show's cinematography but it gets a bit self-indulgent sometimes, like that last lingering super-closeup of June's eye reflecting the giant cross felt really heavy-handed and "look how artsy we are! (so artsy)" and I'm even a fan of artsy shots for the sake of artsy shots. I do agree that the stapled lips thing also felt way over-the-top. It's just a whole different level of brutality. Like yeah they execute people and stuff but that's textbook stuff for an authoritarian state cracking down on insurgency. Nobody staples people's lips together. We've only just seen them though, so maybe the next episodes will give us some sort of justification for it, but right now it feels like an almost farcical level of villainy.

The other thing I was wondering (and maybe I missed something) is how is Nick not only still alive but promoted after threatening to pull a gun on Fred and detaining him in a room while June ran away with Nicole last season? Is his status as a war hero/Eye enough to trump an OG Commander? Or is sending him to the Chicago just a quiet way to get rid of him? I thought he'd be executed for his part in allowing Nicole to be "kidnapped".

Wafflecopper
Nov 27, 2004

I am a mouth, and I must scream

Collateral posted:

I stopped watching this show after the lady from mad men banged the playwrights son in a super sexy scene that was so tonally out of place I just threw my hands up and said enough. Torture porn, psychological torture, loving side eyes for 5 minutes yet again, out of place credit music was OK once not every episode come on, loving side eyes (you would think Dexter's wife would just fit her with horse blinkers), Shakespeare being a dick and getting into the sex torture sessions made some sense at least he is a bastard and considering how dudes are normally i don't see why he wouldn't shag every woman under his control, it's not like he loves his wife. Has it got any better or is still verb-porn to the max?

Nick Sax had a career change I see.

e:phone posting autocorrect.

I too have watched other tv shows

Wafflecopper
Nov 27, 2004

I am a mouth, and I must scream

If I was living in a theocratic military dictatorship that executes people for infidelity I would totally shank their high command and expect to get away with it because Iím a total badass rebel, why canít these characters be like me

Wafflecopper
Nov 27, 2004

I am a mouth, and I must scream

DropsySufferer posted:

One thing that is slowly bugging me more and more now that I'm noticing it:

The police/military have no uniforms or rank insignia except for the ugly looking strap things commanders wear. So basically generals have some form of uniform but no one else. I could buy that the handmaids are guarded by a plainclothes secret service style force but enough of Gilead has been shown outside of the commanders housing area that it's clear all of the military/police do not have uniforms. All the military wears are normal black clothes and knit caps without anything identifying rank. This stupid on so many levels I can't even get into it.

Are you in the military or something because of all the things to criticise in this show, this is a really weird one to get hung up on. I never even noticed it

Wafflecopper
Nov 27, 2004

I am a mouth, and I must scream

Yeah that was my thought the entire episode too, plus leaving sharp objects lying around for her

Wafflecopper
Nov 27, 2004

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you can just call him lawrence, we know he's not a real person

Wafflecopper
Nov 27, 2004

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So we never actually saw June take the contraception Lawrence gave her. Is she gonna have the baby and use that to influence him somehow?

Wafflecopper
Nov 27, 2004

I am a mouth, and I must scream

lol Fred is a dumb motherfucker.

"This isn't "just up ahead!" I wonder what could possibly be happening? Oh well better just keep following him further into the woods, I'm sure it'll be fine"

Wafflecopper
Nov 27, 2004

I am a mouth, and I must scream

Calling it now, June is pregnant with Lawrence's child and she's gonna marry him

Wafflecopper
Nov 27, 2004

I am a mouth, and I must scream

Gilead dudes sure love following people into the woods and getting ganked huh

Wafflecopper
Nov 27, 2004

I am a mouth, and I must scream

CubanMissile posted:

I assume she really has no idea how to shoot or else why the gently caress didn't she just return fire instead of throwing rocks or running away and getting shot.

Why would she have any idea how to shoot? Using firearms seems like a good way to get him to call for backup if you don't manage to kill him in the dark while he's behind the cover of his jeep firing an assault rifle at you

Wafflecopper
Nov 27, 2004

I am a mouth, and I must scream

PostNouveau posted:

I'm pretty bad at watching TV. I must have missed how people in Canada knew they were coming at all.

I'm also not clear on how Mr. Waterford knew about the Nick/June/Selina plot. I assume someone told him to twist a knife in him at some point, but I don't remember it.

Fred knew he was impotent, he told Serena on their car trip. Even he can figure out what happened

Wafflecopper
Nov 27, 2004

I am a mouth, and I must scream

You can just stop watching you know

Wafflecopper
Nov 27, 2004

I am a mouth, and I must scream

Escobarbarian posted:

Itís a legit criticism

Yeah it is, I'm not disagreeing with that at all. I haven't bothered with this season myself. I just got the impression that OP felt they had to stay to the bitter end.

Wafflecopper
Nov 27, 2004

I am a mouth, and I must scream

Cheesus posted:

First, Luke being African American was a hard pill to swallow given book-Gilead's racism. I misgivings when I saw some youtube videos showing Samira Wiley as Moira but seeing a mulato handmaiden at the initial Loaves and Fishes was a really tough pill to swallow.

Black people in MY Handmaidís Tale!?

Wafflecopper
Nov 27, 2004

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This may come as a surprise to you but adaptations donít always stick strictly to the source material and the existence of black people is a weird detail to get hung up on

Wafflecopper
Nov 27, 2004

I am a mouth, and I must scream

SirPablo posted:

The Canadian border is 2000 miles long. You can't just build a wall along it!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Wall_of_China

Wafflecopper
Nov 27, 2004

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Arenít they just the gestapo of Gilead?

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Wafflecopper
Nov 27, 2004

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weren't they talking about making 10 seasons or something at some point? or am i thinking of another show?

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