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Mythical Moderate
Jul 5, 2002

My heart and actions are utterly unclouded. They are all those of 'Justice'.






jokes posted:

I think one of the methods to easily beat DOS2 was to fill a barrel up with the heaviest poo poo imaginable and drop it on people. Barrels are very much a big aspect of Larian games.

Gotta say that the death effects for fire/radiant spells are my favorite. Very cathartic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFmV2WA64tQ

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Funky See Funky Do
Aug 20, 2013
STILL TRYING HARD

You can steal anything you want consequence free if you drop a sack or a chest or something and just drag the item into it. You can steal that idol in the grove and druids won't even notice.

Freakazoid_
Jul 4, 2013




Buglord

ChrisBTY posted:

Some may argue that going 1-20 would create horrible pacing problems. On my end? This reeks of BG 1. Actually start at level 3 or something. Level 1 is bulldonk and everybody knows it.

NWN2 solved this problem elegantly: Make levels 1-3 the tutorial. Wanna skip the tutorial? Here's level 3, off you go.

I dare say NWN2 was the perfect iteration of a d&d-based rpg.

sebmojo
Oct 23, 2010


Legit Cyberpunk


Stabbey_the_Clown posted:

Correct.

Concentration spells are very bad in BG 3 though at the moment, because there is a ton of unresistable damage from surfaces and explosions, and concentration fails on any total roll below 10 or half the damage.

Yah I think they are going to need to do some careful choices about which bits of 5e work with their system and which need tweaking.

I'm also not rapt with the entangling vines that does 1d6 damage and are all over the place.

Frida Call Me
Sep 28, 2001

Boy, you gotta carry that weight
Carry that weight a long time


sebmojo posted:

Yah I think they are going to need to do some careful choices about which bits of 5e work with their system and which need tweaking.

I'm also not rapt with the entangling vines that does 1d6 damage and are all over the place.

You can burn the entangling vines away with fire. Feels better than just walking around them.

Deltasquid
Apr 10, 2013

awww...
you guys made me ink!


THUNDERDOME


For what it's worth I REALLY appreciate a lot of the details in this game already. Like when you talk to Gale and he tells you he trusts you, he lists off some of the things I did that made him trust me, including the fact that I managed to talk a certain NPC down after failing an initial skill check roll. I hope we get more stuff like that with people referencing what you've done or how the story is playing out.

Likewise, try not recruiting shadowheart when you first meet her, but leave her alive. She'll pop up a few times later. It's neat and makes them feel like actual characters wandering about the world rather than pieces of the scenery you collect.

Also, somebody on reddit followed a livestream of Kevin VanOrd (the writer for Lae'zel and Wyll, and he also wrote Kagha, Dror Ragzlin, and all of the myconids) who apparently stated amongst other things that they plan to have eight companions, possibly more, and potentially including companions that won't be origin characters, and that there will be more origin companions than in D:OS2, but possibly less companions than BG2. Part of the "less than BG2" bit is because they want all the companions to have fleshed out stories.

https://www.reddit.com/r/BaldursGat...vanords_stream/

I was kind of expecting more companions but happy to hear they intend to have 8, possible more "origins" companions and possibly also non-origins companions. I think 10-12 would be the sweet spot; we'd need at least 2 tanks and 2 healers, one of each evil aligned and one of each good aligned, to allow the PC and the other characters to stretch their wings a bit and slot in more unusual or specialised classes.

Alternatively, maybe limited to some sort of NG+ mode, let me swap companion classes when your recruit them like in D:OS2. Even if it doesn't fit their backstory, I wouldn't mind playing with fighter gale or rogue shadowheart etc. if it means I have more freedom to compose a viable party with characters I didn't use in my first playthrough.

blizzardvizard
Sep 12, 2012

Shhh... don't wake up the sleeping lion



Deltasquid posted:

I was kind of expecting more companions but happy to hear they intend to have 8, possible more "origins" companions and possibly also non-origins companions. I think 10-12 would be the sweet spot; we'd need at least 2 tanks and 2 healers, one of each evil aligned and one of each good aligned, to allow the PC and the other characters to stretch their wings a bit and slot in more unusual or specialised classes.

Both Halsin and Minthara would be able to fit both the tank and healer roles, they're automatically picked up as part of the story, and they're mutually exclusive between "good" and "evil" playthroughs, so maybe they had thought of that already. Minthara would double up with Shadowheart as an evil Cleric, but if they are planning to make her a companion, she could also be a Paladin with little difference to the story.

Minor thing but the bit about Wyll being the most good-aligned party member so far made me realize that he essentially has the personality of your stereotypical over-zealous Paladin with a dash of narcissism, but in the skin of a Warlock. Kind of interesting.

Frida Call Me
Sep 28, 2001

Boy, you gotta carry that weight
Carry that weight a long time


I just realized that since expertise doesn't exist in BG3, Shadowheart with the urchin background could be as good as Astarion at hiding and stealing (and potentially better with trickery domain powers) if she was statted with a 16 dexterity. Even a 14 dexterity and she'd only be 5% worse at hiding and stealing. The 9 dexterity is just mind-boggling considering her background and domain.

The only real downside of dumping her strength would be losing access to a 1d6 base damage weapon, she'd have to switch to dagger (the only simple finesse weapon). This is a problem with the trickery domain in base 5e, it grants zero extra proficiencies. Even shortswords would be an upgrade.

edit: Ah okay, the way to get shortswords as a proficiency for trickery cleric is to be githyanki or elf.

Frida Call Me fucked around with this message at 12:31 on Oct 18, 2020

Slashrat
Jun 6, 2011

YOSPOS


If Shadowheart isn't rebuilt before then, I'm kinda considering once the companions become available as origin to create Shadowheart as my main character (provided origins still allow you to customize skills and ability scores)

She might also be a good candidate for a single-level dip into monk if multiclassing is available by then. It'd allow her to use Dex with a quarterstaff wielded in two hands (1d8) and probably give her as good an AC without armor as she would have had with armor and shield.

French Canadian
Feb 23, 2004

Fluffy cat sensory experience


Without spoiling, can I expect to meet a fighter-ish companion in this act? I feel like I just need someone to use all these big weapons and armor I come across. I don't have Lae'zel so I don't know her class, but I have Astarion, Gael, and Shadowheart. My main is a wizard :/

Frida Call Me
Sep 28, 2001

Boy, you gotta carry that weight
Carry that weight a long time


French Canadian posted:

Without spoiling, can I expect to meet a fighter-ish companion in this act? I feel like I just need someone to use all these big weapons and armor I come across. I don't have Lae'zel so I don't know her class, but I have Astarion, Gael, and Shadowheart. My main is a wizard :/

Yes, you've probably already walked past them if you've found the druid grove. Check closer to the beach where you landed.

Bussamove
Feb 25, 2006



French Canadian posted:

Without spoiling, can I expect to meet a fighter-ish companion in this act? I feel like I just need someone to use all these big weapons and armor I come across. I don't have Lae'zel so I don't know her class, but I have Astarion, Gael, and Shadowheart. My main is a wizard :/

You can find a fighter within minutes of exiting the tutorial, yes.

French Canadian
Feb 23, 2004

Fluffy cat sensory experience


Is it like a story driven character or just some random?

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012
Probation
Can't post for 3 days!


French Canadian posted:

Is it like a story driven character or just some random?

It's the Githyanki you teamed up with in the ship.

Frida Call Me
Sep 28, 2001

Boy, you gotta carry that weight
Carry that weight a long time


French Canadian posted:

Is it like a story driven character or just some random?

All companions are story-driven characters that I've met so far.

deedee megadoodoo
Sep 28, 2000
Two roads diverged in a wood, and I, I took the one to Flavortown, and that has made all the difference.




Oven Wrangler

I made a dwarf fighter and he absolutely wrecks everything. I put him in heavy armor and gave him a two handed weapon. He does a ton of damage and I donít think heís been hit once. His movement sucks but if anyone gets close they just die.

Mordaedil
Oct 25, 2007

Oh wow, cool. Good job.
So?


Grimey Drawer

Warning for you people recruiting Wyll or making warlocks, summoning imps will cause a reputation loss with your companions which means that when you return to camp you will be engaged in a battle and be forced to put down your other party members and the dog you can recruit.

Turds in magma
Sep 17, 2007
can i get a transform out of here?

Can someone explain "backstab" to me? I get advantage, and then what, extra damage dice? And it's distinct from sneak attack, in that everyone can backstab?

Ryuujin
Sep 26, 2007
Dragon God

I feel like people are overplaying the Warlocks power. I like the concept of Warlock but it isn't great in 5e, and there is nothing in this version that makes it better at damage than a Rogue or Ranger, especially a Ranger with Hunter's Mark which basically makes it even with Agonizing Blast Eldritch Blast. Now the Warlock will eventually outshine a Ranger who doesn't use spells beyond Hunter's Mark, but that doesn't happen until level 11 when the Warlock's Eldritch Blast gets a third blast and the Ranger doesn't get a third attack.

Hizawk
Jun 18, 2004

High on the Lions.


The warlock also gets the best scouting ability available, the invisible imp.

Frida Call Me
Sep 28, 2001

Boy, you gotta carry that weight
Carry that weight a long time


Multiplayer rogue/thief trip report day 3: probably the most outright powerful class in early access. Robbing everyone blind and handing out +1 to attack/damage and +1-3 AC to all of your party members, getting tons of free scrolls, potions, arrows, throwables, and bypassing of locked doors by the dozens with lockpicking is aces. Dual-wield +1 shortswords, open combat from stealth and your effectiveness skyrockets. I only use my shortbow maybe once every two encounters, and I feel much stronger now.

Magic item location spoilers: There's a ring that grants you +3m of movement. You can find it on the goblin Crusher on the second floor of the external goblin camp, on a throne with three goblins facing him He's right outside the external goblin camp waypoint. He's wearing it so you have to kill him to get it, but dialogue can make killing him much easier. This ring works with dashing, so with a bonus action dash it's 6m more movement which makes getting in behind people or killing two targets in the same turn so much more feasible.

Frida Call Me
Sep 28, 2001

Boy, you gotta carry that weight
Carry that weight a long time


Ryuujin posted:

I feel like people are overplaying the Warlocks power. I like the concept of Warlock but it isn't great in 5e, and there is nothing in this version that makes it better at damage than a Rogue or Ranger, especially a Ranger with Hunter's Mark which basically makes it even with Agonizing Blast Eldritch Blast. Now the Warlock will eventually outshine a Ranger who doesn't use spells beyond Hunter's Mark, but that doesn't happen until level 11 when the Warlock's Eldritch Blast gets a third blast and the Ranger doesn't get a third attack.

The true power of the warlock is a reliable ranged damage dealer that can have a +5 bonus to all three face skills at level 1 (intimidation/persuasion/deception) if you take a background that grants persuasion proficiency. You can get through a lot of content with just being good at social challenges. CHA doesn't do anything for rangers or rogues except social challenges. Also you can take friends as a starting cantrip for advantage on social checks.

Frida Call Me fucked around with this message at 14:58 on Oct 18, 2020

Beefeater1980
Sep 12, 2008

My God, it's full of Horatios!





Frida Call Me posted:

You can burn the entangling vines away with fire. Feels better than just walking around them.

Can players easily spot them ahead of time? If not, thatís a lot of players you just annoyed.

deedee megadoodoo
Sep 28, 2000
Two roads diverged in a wood, and I, I took the one to Flavortown, and that has made all the difference.




Oven Wrangler

Beefeater1980 posted:

Can players easily spot them ahead of time? If not, thatís a lot of players you just annoyed.

Yes. Once you know what they look like you can easily spot them.

blizzardvizard
Sep 12, 2012

Shhh... don't wake up the sleeping lion



Turds in magma posted:

Can someone explain "backstab" to me? I get advantage, and then what, extra damage dice? And it's distinct from sneak attack, in that everyone can backstab?

I think it just gives you advantage (for attacking from behind), no extra damage. Everyone can backstab, sneak attack is just a Rogue thing.

Frida Call Me
Sep 28, 2001

Boy, you gotta carry that weight
Carry that weight a long time


Beefeater1980 posted:

Can players easily spot them ahead of time? If not, thatís a lot of players you just annoyed.

They blend in pretty well with the ground texture. I don't think they're overused, I got tripped up in two spots only. Honestly, having more dangerous flaura/fauna around a druid grove is not out of the question.

Frida Call Me
Sep 28, 2001

Boy, you gotta carry that weight
Carry that weight a long time


blizzardvizard posted:

I think it just gives you advantage (for attacking from behind), no extra damage. Everyone can backstab, sneak attack is just a Rogue thing.

That seems right. My hit chances increase about 25%ish with a backstab compared to attacking the same enemy from the front.

Dexo
Aug 15, 2009

I been ballin' so damn hard I swear I think that I'm Coby


Ryuujin posted:

I feel like people are overplaying the Warlocks power. I like the concept of Warlock but it isn't great in 5e, and there is nothing in this version that makes it better at damage than a Rogue or Ranger, especially a Ranger with Hunter's Mark which basically makes it even with Agonizing Blast Eldritch Blast. Now the Warlock will eventually outshine a Ranger who doesn't use spells beyond Hunter's Mark, but that doesn't happen until level 11 when the Warlock's Eldritch Blast gets a third blast and the Ranger doesn't get a third attack.

Ah yes the ranger can be just as good as the base warlock by spending spell slots.

Also the Warlock certainly doesn't have Hex at all to mirror the effects of Hunters Mark.

jokes
Dec 20, 2012
jokes




Rangers get to use, like weapons +2 later on too. They also seem boring as poo poo.

i am harry
Oct 14, 2003



This feels more like Neverwinter Nights 3.

Dexo
Aug 15, 2009

I been ballin' so damn hard I swear I think that I'm Coby


jokes posted:

Rangers get to use, like weapons +2 later on too. They also seem boring as poo poo.



Frida Call Me
Sep 28, 2001

Boy, you gotta carry that weight
Carry that weight a long time



Gotta exist in Baldur's Gate 3 for it to be worth mentioning. I've found tons of stuff that isn't in any of the GM assets across any of the 5e modules.

Blooming Brilliant
Jul 12, 2010



Rod is good but doesn't give bonus to Damage, so Rangers/Warlocks somewhat even out once magic items get involved.

High and low of it is that Rangers are more likely to hit (with weapon style Archery and Advantage against creatures that haven't had a turn yet although don't think that's been added), Warlocks deal more damage. Pick which flavour of those you want when it comes to shooty boys, and then feel bad when a Wizard outshines you regardless.

French Canadian
Feb 23, 2004

Fluffy cat sensory experience


I want to talk about the interspecies sex scene I ruined.



At first I killed them because they attacked me, but I felt bad and Shadowheart chided me so I reloaded and didn't open the door...

deedee megadoodoo
Sep 28, 2000
Two roads diverged in a wood, and I, I took the one to Flavortown, and that has made all the difference.




Oven Wrangler

French Canadian posted:

I want to talk about the interspecies sex scene I ruined.



At first I killed them because they attacked me, but I felt bad and Shadowheart chided me so I reloaded and didn't open the door...

There's a large hole in the roof of that building so I went up on top of it and looked in before I opened the door and they're just inside standing there. I was hoping for some hot orc sex animations. Very disappointed.

jokes
Dec 20, 2012
jokes




I do wonder how true-to-DnD itemization will be. Should we expect like a +2 cap? Unique weapons? Things like the ones that give +1AC against orcs?

AlternateAccount
Apr 25, 2005
FYGM

Thatís funny. I went up there to take a peek and somehow fell through so I had to kill a bugbear with a hardon. I mean the bugbear had the hardon, not that it was the murder weapon.

Hardon
1d4 piercing, melee
Spell: Spooge, 3m range, dexterity save or target blinded. Recharges on short rest.

jokes
Dec 20, 2012
jokes




AlternateAccount posted:

Thatís funny. I went up there to take a peek and somehow fell through so I had to kill a bugbear with a hardon. I mean the bugbear had the hardon, not that it was the murder weapon.

Hardon
1d4 piercing, melee
Spell: Spooge, 3m range, dexterity save or target blinded. Recharges on short rest.

Mine would have both finesse and heavy

Hihohe
Oct 4, 2008

Fuck you and the sun you live under



You cant play as a Goblin but ive learned to improvise.



Weird that theres no gnomes.

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Semper Fudge
Feb 19, 2009

Pitchfork was wrong. (f)lowers of Algerbong is crap.

Iím really hoping that Goblins are one of the first non-PHB races to get added.

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