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Zaphod42 posted:It took WOTC a long rear end time but they're finally properly marketing D&D, and poo poo is really taking off. They were planning to have a Hell Based Adventure for a while, but their deal with Larian would shock me as the reason they decided to start it in Baldur's Gate. Baldur's Gate was 2e.
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Jun 7, 2019 03:33
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Crowetron posted:There's a merchant NPC at one point in the game, and if you go through her dialogue tree, she reveals that she is a transwoman. It's literally one line of flavor text about a lady who sells you some potions once. Gamers lost their drat minds. Well, there were 2 issues. The first was the way you quickly found out upon first meeting her by clicking through the dialogue tree, like the trans character in mass effect andromeda. The second was that D&D has a lot of body-changing effects. Kobolds desire to transition racially to become dragons, elminster (a famous D&D wizard) was a woman for a period of time because of Mystra, the goddess of magic. There are cursed girdles of masculinity/femininity that turn the wearer into that gender. Permanent forms of the polymorph spell exist. Grognards were pissed that there was no option to help physically transition her with all this stuff that existed in game that changed gender. That pissed off a lot of D&D fans. You have all this magical gender changing magic, and no way to use it to help them have the right body.
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Jun 7, 2019 03:34
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Freaking Crumbum posted:really really hope mind flayers are not the primary antagonist because they're awful unfun shitballs to engage with, behind only undead that have permanent level drain effects. mind control and stat drain != a fun gameplay experience Mind Flayers don't do stat drain in 5e, and their mind control is much easier to shake off. (And they can only do it once an encounter.) Level Drain is not a thing ether, Energy Drain instead now Temporarily Drains Max HP. MonsterEnvy fucked around with this message at 03:45 on Jun 7, 2019 |
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Jun 7, 2019 03:36
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Both BG games were 2nd ed. I remember this, because I, being a dummy, thought "Gee, higher armor class must be better" and never stopped to question why the best armor in the game was found at the beginning of the game.
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Jun 7, 2019 03:37
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Pharohman777 posted:Well, there were 2 issues. You actually do have to pester her a bit to find out. It's not the first thing she says or anything. And Yeah powerful magic and a cursed item are the only way to physically and permanently transform your sex. Like that stuff is not easy to get or find. Like Kobolds want to become Dragons, but the vast majority will never be able to, cause the stuff that would allow that is rare and hard to find. tithin posted:haven't watched the trailer but if anyone could do BG3 justice, it'd be Larian, so consider me cautiously optimistic. Warning before you watch the trailer. It's very gruesome. MonsterEnvy fucked around with this message at 03:46 on Jun 7, 2019 |
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Jun 7, 2019 03:41
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MonsterEnvy posted:Warning before you watch the trailer. It's very gruesome. It's mind flayers. Body horror is their big thing besides being boring Cthulu knockoffs. That they're front and center for this game is one of the reasons I'm not excited.
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Jun 7, 2019 03:50
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Cythereal posted:It's mind flayers. Body horror is their big thing besides being boring Cthulu knockoffs. Hey they brought in their Spaceships which are cool, and they are honestly not very Cthulhu like except in appearance. Why do you find them boring?
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Timespy posted:Both BG games were 2nd ed. I remember this, because I, being a dummy, thought "Gee, higher armor class must be better" and never stopped to question why the best armor in the game was found at the beginning of the game. Goddamn THAC0 bullshit lmao Cythereal posted:It's mind flayers. Body horror is their big thing besides being boring Cthulu knockoffs. Bummer :/ I was thinking the opposite, this gives me something interesting to play with that isn't just traditional knights and rogues and whatnot
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Jun 7, 2019 03:56
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I honestly can't wait to play Larian's Baldur's Gate 3. The last licensed D&D computer game was what, Sword Coast Legends? Complete dumpster fire of a game. Then there's the new mobile game Warriors of Waterdeep, another dumpster fire. There's that one game on Steam but it's got very mixed reviews. I just want to kill some kobolds, pickpocket some NPCs, and laugh at Xan's gloom and doom. If BG3 does well I hope they eventually let someone work on a Dark Sun game. That's my favorite setting aside from Faerun.
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MonsterEnvy posted:Hey they brought in their Spaceships which are cool, and they are honestly not very Cthulhu like except in appearance. Inscrutable eldritch horrors stopped being interesting to me a long time ago, and mind flayers don't have much going beyond that, eating brains, and occasionally trying to kill the sun. One with a personality, or motives beyond EVIL, is almost completely unheard of.
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Jun 7, 2019 04:03
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I hope this means they bring the back the overly friendly and chatty beholder. Loved that guy.
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Jun 7, 2019 04:16
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mind flayers were authentically scary because it was borne out in the 2ed mechanics. not sure if that's going to entirely hold up in the same way here but w/e.
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Cythereal posted:Inscrutable eldritch horrors stopped being interesting to me a long time ago, and mind flayers don't have much going beyond that, eating brains, and occasionally trying to kill the sun. Well they are not Inscrutable. While evil they do tend to have a personality, even if it's a arrogant cruel one that views others as food and slaves. But a recent D&D book has this guy, and his pet Miniature Giant Space Hamster. He's a flamboyant Space Pirate Lord with a crew of Space Orcs. 
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Jun 7, 2019 04:34
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Cythereal posted:One with a personality, or motives beyond EVIL, is almost completely unheard of. The Vithrack in Pillars of Eternity are basically Illithid but more interesting and nuanced. I thought they were a better take on the general idea.
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Zaphod42 posted:It took WOTC a long rear end time but they're finally properly marketing D&D, and poo poo is really taking off. Gold Box was AD&D, Baldur's Gate I & II and IWD were 2nd, IWD2, NWN, and Temple were 3/3.5, as is DDO (kinda loosely). The Neverwinter MMO is kinda/sorta 4th, and Baldur's Gate III will be the very first 5th edition video game.
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Jun 7, 2019 05:10
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You think PC and Aerie’s baby will show up? I hope so.
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Jun 7, 2019 05:14
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I hope this has realtime combat because my dumdum friends take loving forever during their turn in Divinity. We got that game at launch and finally beat it yesterday.
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Jun 7, 2019 05:22
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Yeeesh, that guy in the cinematic had a bad day. Edit: Man, not to editionwars whine but man 4e shoulda had a BG 
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Jun 7, 2019 05:22
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MonsterEnvy posted:Well they are not Inscrutable. While evil they do tend to have a personality, even if it's a arrogant cruel one that views others as food and slaves. Pirates of the Caribbean 2 sucked but it’s good that Bill Nighy is still getting work I guess. Anyway that preview was super gross and offputting and as excited as I was for BG3, I’m kinda not now.
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I remember following the development of Icewind Dale 2 and Black Isle developers complaining about how horrible the Infinite Engine was to worth with. I think the games still look great and absolutely aged better than their peers with early graphics (they look a hell of a lot better than either of the Neverwinter Nights games). But Sven's comments were kind of obvious, and its fanboy-ey to get so offended by them. Technology means more than flashy graphics (and flashy graphics are fun!) and I look forward to seeing what Larian does. I agree that writing is Larian's weak point. But Baldur's Gate 1 and 2 had bad writing, bad stories and bad characters. It had fantastic scope. And a fantastic voice actor in David Warner. It seems that Larian has been hiring a lot of new writers, so I'm optimistic on this front too.
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I hope the evil path allows you to play as a Mind Flayer eventually and do evil Mind Flayer things
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Pharohman777 posted:Well, there were 2 issues. The overwhelming majority of rage and complaints and poo poo were from gamergate "liberal PC politics in MY video games" types, not grognards annoyed that there's no quest to help a trans woman magically transition. And it was in no way shoved in players faces. She doesn't tell you until the second time you see her, and even then not until you've done a quest for her. It was a fairly simple and consistent bit of character building like they do with many NPCs and also fairly easy to miss if you don't exhaust dialogue trees with everyone.
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jng2058 posted:Gold Box was AD&D, Baldur's Gate I & II and IWD were 2nd, IWD2, NWN, and Temple were 3/3.5, as is DDO (kinda loosely). The Neverwinter MMO is kinda/sorta 4th, and Baldur's Gate III will be the very first 5th edition video game. The first 5e game is actually Sword Coast Legends, everyone's favorite D&D game!
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MonsterEnvy posted:Warning before you watch the trailer. It's very gruesome. gently caress me you weren't joking, that's graphic as poo poo
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A surfing dog?! posted:The first 5e game is actually Sword Coast Legends, everyone's favorite D&D game! It actually used next to none of 5e's rules and was not at all tabletop faithful. That was one of the reasons it got bad reception. tithin posted:gently caress me you weren't joking, that's graphic as poo poo Honestly not many fictional characters I felt worse for than that Flaming Fist soldier. MonsterEnvy fucked around with this message at 07:02 on Jun 7, 2019 |
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Just a recurring nightmare of losing your teeth while you patrol the streets as everybody is enjoying their siesta and then the cheese kicks in.
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MonsterEnvy posted:Honestly not many fictional characters I felt worse for than that Flaming Fist soldier. I dont think mind flayers even transform that fast so the whole intro confuses me if ive understood the life cycle of the mind flayers right.
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Iretep posted:I dont think mind flayers even transform that fast so the whole intro confuses me if ive understood the life cycle of the mind flayers right. bike tory posted:Yeah they put a tadpole into your brain. It is meant to be a very slowly and painful process taking like a week, but that's obviously not so easy to depict in a trailer so this werewolf style transformation was a good choice imo.
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Iretep posted:I dont think mind flayers even transform that fast so the whole intro confuses me if ive understood the life cycle of the mind flayers right. In the Gamespot video Swen Vincke says it's an accelerated ceremorphosis. Dunno if it's only for this video or if a fast version will be in the game.
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From the description I've read it's supposed to eat your brain first - I assume that kills you so you are mercifully not around for the body horror part.
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Is Mind Flayers actually being from the far future where they ruled a cosmic empire, and escaping to sometime before the present because the universe in the future ended, still part of D&D lore? I remember reading through some D&D book at one point describing this, and how it scared the gently caress out of the Aboleths (aquatic eldritch beings who have been around since the dawn of time) because the Mind Flayers just showed up one day out of the blue.
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It was in Lords of Madness is 3.5 edition, but I dunno if it has been updated since. Possessing accelerated metamorphosis, if it's not just a visual effect, would make sense for why mindflayers make a move for the surface. As long as they can also blot out the sun, but I guess that comes in hand with the Spacejammer stuff.
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Sinteres posted:Now that Larian is doing BG3, Beamdog should remaster Divine Divinity. Nah, Beamdog should actually die a lovely death because they are garbage talent-less hacks Space Pussy fucked around with this message at 07:54 on Jun 7, 2019 |
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I didn't play Siege of Dragonspear because all of the new bits in the Extended Editions of BG and BG2 were extremely bad and poorly written IMO, so I'm happy with Beamdog not getting to make this one. I'm actually also happy for Obsidian not to be making it because I like that they have all their own IP to play with now. Larian with a pre-existing rule set is an interesting thought, I'm cautiously optimistic. Predictions: Game will be TB because Larian's most successful games, that seemed to be the most 'passion projecty' of them all, were TB. Minsc, AKA the most overrated NPC ever, will make a cameo. Also I agree that doing D&D in space would be cool so yes please bring on Spelljammer.
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I hope Larian completely replaced their writing team because while DOS2 wasn't as mind-numbingly uninteresting and unfunny as DOS1, it was still very difficult to care about what was going on. I also kind of hated the character-building system in both games and while the combat started off extremely strong, it became a real repetitive slog of too many irritating ground effects over time. I think patched Pillars 1 + White March on Path of the Damned is the best I've seen out of CRPG combat. Had a blast with that the whole way through, aside from fighting ten thousand ghost enemies in Durgan's Battery.
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Space Pussy posted:Nah, Beamdog should actually die a lovely death because they are garbage talent-less hacks What's your grudge? Slashrat posted:Is Mind Flayers actually being from the far future where they ruled a cosmic empire, and escaping to sometime before the present because the universe in the future ended, still part of D&D lore? I remember reading through some D&D book at one point describing this, and how it scared the gently caress out of the Aboleths (aquatic eldritch beings who have been around since the dawn of time) because the Mind Flayers just showed up one day out of the blue. Current Lore is that they used to have a multiverse spanning empire but it collapsed due to the Gith Rebellion. Though it's a theory they ran to the Future instead. Volo's Guide to Monsters posted:A Culture of Fugitives MonsterEnvy fucked around with this message at 08:13 on Jun 7, 2019 |
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Chairchucker posted:I didn't play Siege of Dragonspear because all of the new bits in the Extended Editions of BG and BG2 were extremely bad and poorly written IMO, so I'm happy with Beamdog not getting to make this one. Siege of Dragonspear was a surprisingly solid leap in quality, but the controversies surrounding it probably hurt its sales, and they seemed to have hemorrhaged developers since. If you like the Infinity Engine games though, IMO it's foolish not to buy Siege of Dragonspear. It's great at capturing the experience, does a bunch of things either never seen before or that cleverly repurpose existing mechanics, and it's solidly above Throne of Bhaal in terms of overall quality.
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quote:Grognards were pissed that there was no option to help physically transition her with all this stuff that existed in game that changed gender. That pissed off a lot of D&D fans. You have all this magical gender changing magic, and no way to use it to help them have the right body. This doesn't make any sense. Her character uses a female NPC model so you could easily assume she's done that already, and even if she didn't transition she doesn't say word one about having dysphoria, so why would you give a poo poo? That sounds like an intensely disingenuous argument, which to be honest is unnecessary because being lovely about trans people will rarely get you in trouble anywhere.
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