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IShallRiseAgain
Sep 12, 2008

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The_Doctor posted:

It wasn’t really holding my interest much either, but my bf made me stick with it till then, and it does start taking itself much more seriously from a very specific point onwards (in ep 6).

That is kind of the problem with the series, it wants to be a comedy show and a serious drama.

Despite Genndy Tartakovsky, kind of messing up with Samurai Jack, I'm really looking forward to Primal. It sucks that western non-comedy animated shows aimed at an older audience are so rare.

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IShallRiseAgain
Sep 12, 2008

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cartoons123 posted:

Well if you're wondering what the Boondocks reboot might look like:

https://twitter.com/Robaato_Art/status/1139294008990150657

For context, this is the guy who's doing the Cryamore game, and did some stuff on the Street Fighter Comics

If I remember correctly, Cryamore is one of those Kickstarter projects that is never coming out, and the dev changed what the game was going to be mid-development.

IShallRiseAgain
Sep 12, 2008

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get that OUT of my face posted:

Hey, what's the story with that JG Quintel show on TBS? I saw a commercial for it a while ago and have heard nothing since.

There hasn't been any more news about it for almost a year, so there is probably some sort of production issue.

IShallRiseAgain
Sep 12, 2008

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Barudak posted:

Japanese birth rate is higher than Spain, Italy, Greece, Taiwan, Korea, and Hong Kong.

Like is it low, sure, is it appreciably lower than other developed countries? Not really.

Japan takes the issue seriously though, and that is what matters.

IShallRiseAgain
Sep 12, 2008

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Ghost Leviathan posted:

Much like how you pretty much are never going to find an experienced artist of any talent who hasn't drawn porn, you're not going to get far looking for cartoon artists who haven't drawn furries. It's a running joke with porn artists that when they disappear without warning leaving everyone hanging it usually means they've gotten a job.

Yeah, but a lot of artists draw furries because furries are a bunch of rubes that are willing to pay absurd amounts of money even for terrible art.

IShallRiseAgain
Sep 12, 2008

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TwoPair posted:

That does not mean they get an automatic free pass for unintentionally offending someone.

lol, yes it does. There is a subset group of liberals who think Jews (and also Roma) are an acceptable target for bigotry because they are a "white" minority. Since the writers are Jewish this isn't the case, and there is nothing to be angry about.

IShallRiseAgain
Sep 12, 2008

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I imagine its very unlikely to get a second season.

IShallRiseAgain
Sep 12, 2008

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readingatwork posted:

Disenchantment is basically medieval Futurama with aggressively mediocre writing. There are a few solid gags here and there but on the whole I found it fairly disappointing. Still going to watch the next batch of episodes though.... :shrug:

Also can confirm that Gary and hid Demons is freakin' fantastic.

Disenchanment is way too focused on ~serious plot time~, it's a show that absolutely should not be a serial narrative. You can't have a really silly setting and also focus heavily on an ongoing dramatic plot. The more serious/dramatic episodes of futurama only worked because they were rare.

IShallRiseAgain
Sep 12, 2008

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Its live action instead of animated, but I think Resident Alien pulls off the premise of Solar Opposites much better. I like Rick and Morty, but I think Justin Roiland needs somebody to reign him in.

IShallRiseAgain
Sep 12, 2008

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Mokinokaro posted:

The even more egregious one from Star Trek is O'Brian going through a prison sentence where he's subjected to years of torture in a simulation yet seems perfectly fine most episodes after.

Picard's alternate life experience was at least warm.

The best one is this little quote from Memory Alpha

"Dyson Sphere" posted:

Chief O'Brien is briefly trapped in a Pah-wraith Hell where he is forced to wander the interior of a Dyson sphere for several millennia, unable to understand how the sphere was constructed or learn anything about its creation.

IShallRiseAgain
Sep 12, 2008

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Mantis42 posted:

The pilot was fine.

Harvey Birdman is one of the best [as] shows ever and Birdgirl was one of it's best characters so it's hard not to be disappointed in it for just being fine. I'll give it a season to see how it turns out, which is more than I gave the Great North.

e: OTOH Birdgirl seems like a masterpiece compared to Momma Named Me Sheriff, which came on immediately afterwards. Is that the worst [as] show to run multiple seasons? It's gotta be close

I was going to mention that Mr. Pickles somehow got 3 seasons, but then I found out Momma Named Me Sheriff is a spin-off of that show.

IShallRiseAgain
Sep 12, 2008

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readingatwork posted:

I'm still not sure how I feel about Invincible. It's well produced and has some good character drama but I don't think it's as subversive as it thinks it is. Particularly compared to The Boys which is on the same platform.

For example The Boys very cleverly points out that the idea of a supervillain is bullshit and would be gleefully exploited by powerful interests to gin up nationalism and bigotry towards cynical ends. Invincible on the other hand has a ton of mustache twirling psychopaths that just love to kill people for because just walking around for no reason. And as much as it gestures at the idea that having infinite power might be a bad thing, actually, these ideas fall flat because the presence of these supervillains has created a(n incredibly contrived) situation where superheros are not only necessary but usually cool and good people who just want to do the right thing.

This isn't a deal breaker, mind you. If I refused to watch any show that didn't agree with me politically I'd watch like three shows a decade. Still, it's disappointing because there are nuggets of good ideas in there that are ultimately never truly committed to and that's kind of a bummer.

It was never meant to be an anti-superhero work like The Boys was. Its a darker spider-man.

-edit, its also a superhero version of another extremely popular series. *major spoiler* Viltrumites are saiyans.

IShallRiseAgain fucked around with this message at 02:37 on Apr 10, 2021

IShallRiseAgain
Sep 12, 2008

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TwoPair posted:

Honestly I feel like that might be better off because I think I can count the number of canceled shows that have gotten brought back and actually been good on my fingers

Yeah, its hard to get most of the original creative team back (not just the big names), and even if they do come back, they aren't the same people anymore.

IShallRiseAgain
Sep 12, 2008

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Ccs posted:

I finished watching The Venture Bros. Great stuff. The 2 seasons in NYC aren’t my favourite but it was necessary for the show to refresh itself a bit. The show was absolutely firing on all cylinders during seasons 4 and 5, culminating in All This and Gargantua 2, which is probably the gold standard of the series for me. But it remained high quality to the end and I’m very glad it will get a movie to tie everything up.

Really? I thought All This and Gargantua 2 was the nadir of the series. Lots of unfunny jokes including unnecessary callbacks to really funny jokes. It also didn't get the balance right between comedy and serious drama. Its basically the type of episode that appears when a TV series is going on too long. The series did manage to recover from it fortunately.

IShallRiseAgain
Sep 12, 2008

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The entire rebellion leadership is worthless if the entire government collapses after only 30 years and the empire can make a return to power, when its implied that basically the empire had completely collapsed beforehand.

IShallRiseAgain
Sep 12, 2008

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Maxwell Lord posted:

You're discarding basically most of classical tragedy up through Shakespeare here.

Ambiguity as to whether someone in a story did the right or even the smartest thing is perfectly fine, I don't understand why people have such a low tolerance for people in stories making potentially bad decisions (and the fact that TLJ arguments always have someone arguing pro and con re: Holdo's actions seems to show that her actions are in fact understandable, just polarizing.)

Like a central theme of the film is failure as something to learn from, and in particular the failure of authority figures/institutions. The Jedi of old failed, Luke failed, Holdo and Poe both kinda screwed up because of a lack of trust, and arguably the entire New Republic failed in allowing the First Order to come into existence under their noses and trying to solve things by sponsoring a proxy Resistance. You can quibble about execution in terms of pacing, dialogue, cinematography, whatever, but the entire approach of reading "character takes suboptimal action" as a plot hole is near-Cinemasins behavior.

I don't think that is the case at all though, the movie is very obviously trying to celebrate the old guard, and not reprimand them for their failures. Hell, Kylo Ren talks about destroying the old and create something new, and he is supposed to be villainous when he says that. Granted, the movie has some mixed messages with Luke Skywalker destroying the sacred tree, and him causing Kylo Ren to defect to the First Order in the first place. That might have been an attempt to get away from the Jedis being turned into a creepy cult in the prequels though.

IShallRiseAgain
Sep 12, 2008

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Space Cadet Omoly posted:

The main problem with The Prince is that it's a cartoon about the royal family that doesn't have anything interesting or funny to say about the royal family. It's a show where the core concept is the least interesting thing about it, which is a huge problem and raises the question of why they decide to base a comedy around this premise when the only jokes they can come up with are lazy poo poo like "old people, am I right?!" and "British people, am I right?!" and "Rich people are bad at doing things!" over and over again each time less funny than the last.

I wonder if it endlessly praises the Meghan Markle and Prince Harry analogues? Because sure they probably slightly less lovely than the royal family, but that doesn't mean they are great people or anything. They are still living large in a mansion they bought with royal incest money.

IShallRiseAgain
Sep 12, 2008

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I feel like aside from the South Park movie, every show that gets a feature film only gets one once interest in the show has started to wane.

IShallRiseAgain
Sep 12, 2008

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League of Legend is the one with NOT Lina Inverse right? I never remember. Although, they'd probably try and avoid making her like that character.

IShallRiseAgain
Sep 12, 2008

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Jerkface posted:

The one thing I can't get around on big mouth is that it looks awful. Just disgusting art style.

It was an idiotic attempt to prevent people drawing porn of it, which they should have known wouldn't actually work.

IShallRiseAgain
Sep 12, 2008

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SlothfulCobra posted:

The Simpsons started out as subversive and counter-culture way back in the 90s, and it's not so much that it changed and mellowed, but that the entire rest of the world moved on while it stayed in the same place, so now there's a lot of weird archaic things baked into its DNA, and a lot of modern audiences don't realize it was even supposed to be subversive because the things it was subverting died off long enough ago that many writers don't even remember what was subversive.

So now it's just one of the oldest shows on television and the biggest adult cartoon, and often the writers just play safe perpetuating it as what they thought it always was, so when it has a dumb or bad idea, it's putting all that authority as a big show with a big place in pop culture behind it.

Nah, I don't think that is entirely the case. Characters used to have a little bit of depth, but now every character is incredibly one dimensional. Like Lisa used to be actually wrong some of the time, but now she is pretty much never wrong according to the showrunners. If you disagree with Lisa, you are supposed to be stupid.

Also, it absolutely worships every guest star that comes onto the show, and that only really started in season 10. Like the show might lightly make fun of someone, but most of the episode is dedicated to show how amazing and awesome the guest star is.

IShallRiseAgain
Sep 12, 2008

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Data Graham posted:

I mean if you don't know the whole story behind it it's a wild read.

It's the lifelong obsession project of Richard Williams (the guy who animated Roger Rabbit, including all those roller coaster scenes on ones by hand which there are a lot of in TTATC too) who spent three decades animating these ridiculously complicated stylized and mechanical scenes frame by frame by frame, night after night, with no aid of computers. Then Disney stole his idea and characters (and animators) to make Aladdin, and WB finally got sick of waiting for Williams to finish it and gave it to Bluth and some other rando contract studios to turn it into a Disney-style musical and add a bunch of badly animated songs and a weird inner-monologue voiceover on the thief while they chopped out tons of the insanely intricate animation Williams had spend his whole career making.

They ultimately ended up giving it away in cereal boxes.

Although I somewhat agree with the above poster. Maybe its due to not being finished, but the thief character barely interacts or effects the rest of the cast despite getting a lot of screentime, and its just an excuse for some great animation.

IShallRiseAgain fucked around with this message at 17:47 on Jan 18, 2022

IShallRiseAgain
Sep 12, 2008

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Space Cadet Omoly posted:

But even John DiMaggio can't save Disenchantment from being a forgetable mess, yeesh, they're really wasting his and everybody else's talent over there.

I love how they made Disenchantment right before Game of Thrones self-destructed and nobody cares about it anymore. Like sure its not just parodying Game of Thrones, but I think that was a large part of the plan about what the show was supposed to be.

IShallRiseAgain
Sep 12, 2008

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drrockso20 posted:

Honestly the best episodes of Johnny Bravo revolved more around him being an egotistical but mostly well meaning doofus who got dragged into absolutely ridiculous scenarios and had little if anything to do with the sex pest parts outside of maybe instigating the plot by making him think he could get a woman's attention by doing it

So it probably wouldn't be too hard to bring Johnny back, just give him a girlfriend or something, hell maybe just make it Velma as a nod to the old CN crossover commercials and the crossover episode he had with Scooby-Doo

I'm convinced there is some weirdo that is obsessed with Velma that is making the decisions for what to do with the Scooby Doo property. Giving her a stand-alone live action movie and a TV show is a very weird thing to do. No way would they let Johnny Bravo date Velma.

IShallRiseAgain
Sep 12, 2008

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It could be that Viv is just super nice to her friends, and acts differently around others.

A.o.D. posted:

There's story potential in the Romulan/Vulcan split. Perhaps the ones that chose to go under the raptor's wings or whatever were a non telepathic underclass that revolted against the psychically awakened privileged class. It's known that the Vulcans aren't perfect, and it would give more nuance to the split beyond "we're going to go and be space KGB".

I think you are posting in the wrong thread, buddy.

IShallRiseAgain
Sep 12, 2008

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The Bramble posted:

Is there anyone here who really likes Disenchantment and can talk about it? I've watched a few episodes and I don't know if I just came into it with the wrong expectations for a Matt Groening comedy or what. It has some really big names and Netflix keeps renewing it, am I the problem?

No, the characters are bad. Elfo is a creepy Fry, Luci is just boring bender, and Bean is Leela 2.0. The only entertaining character is John DiMaggio's king character. Also, there is too much focus on a serious ongoing plot, which isn't compelling to watch. Not every show needs to be heavily serialized.

I think the Futurama D&D movie was a warning sign of things to come.

IShallRiseAgain
Sep 12, 2008

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Everybody will just become horror fans because Shudder will be the only streaming service left with non-garbage content.

IShallRiseAgain
Sep 12, 2008

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At the very least, the show better have somebody thrown into a volcano.

IShallRiseAgain
Sep 12, 2008

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Yeah, Cartoon Network has been mismanaged for a long time. It'd occasionally do a cool thing, but even then it had a good chance of loving things up with a horrible release schedule.

Also, management screwing things up isn't unique to capitalism. The people who want to be in charge of things tend to be the worst people for that job. They spend more time on politics than the actual job they are supposed to be doing. As long as humanity exists, there will be incompetent idiots in charge of things that everybody pays the price for.

IShallRiseAgain
Sep 12, 2008

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Personally, I see AI being a really positive for art. It will allow people to be independent creators, and not rely on massive teams of artists, which is really impractical for most people. Modders, for instance, have already been using AI to add voice acting to their mods. If AI gets good enough, people will get a massive variety of choices for media.

Artists need to work for corporations because its really difficult to accumulate all the resources they need on their own.

IShallRiseAgain
Sep 12, 2008

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SlothfulCobra posted:

I see it as about the same as those AI-generated essays people were all about posting everywhere for a while that are basically entirely unreadable because you look at it for five minutes trying to parse through the words and there's actually no meaning so there's nothing there to actually read and people are just going WOW ISN'T IT FUNNY THAT NOTHING MAKES SENSE.

funny funny

At best AI generated poo poo is just worthless trash, at worst it'll shrink the amount of jobs for people to make a living on art just a bit more to make it all the more unviable as a career. The technology also relies on stealing other people's work en masse, so what happens when people start using it to edit images just slightly to get around having to credit artists for their work.

I know some artists claim that AI generated art is just stealing other people's art, but that is basically what all artists do. They take a bunch of other people's art and transform and combine it in novel ways. AI doesn't work the way you think it does. It doesn't search for a specific image and then slightly modifies it to match user needs. AI needs a massive amount of training data to work properly, and it uses all that data to generate images.

Also, AI generated stuff needs to be curated, and prompts need to be carefully crafted to get what you want.

IShallRiseAgain
Sep 12, 2008

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Oxxidation posted:

taking someone's work wholesale and then claiming as your own after running it through a glorified filter isn't what i would call novel

Well, that's what actual artists do too.

IShallRiseAgain
Sep 12, 2008

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I agree that we are a long way from AI being able to write even half-way decent scripts. At best, it could generate general story ideas that a human could use for inspiration. I'm more talking about using it for visual art/voice acting with the near future technology. Its not like somebody is going to be able to press a button and produce a creative work with a coherent narrative. Even if its just generating images, a person is going to need to be involved with the creation of the prompt, and curating the best images. I see it as a potentially powerful tool, but we are nowhere close to removing the human element. There is going to be a thinking human behind AI art.

IShallRiseAgain
Sep 12, 2008

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PicklePants posted:

Everyone is pretty unlikable so far. We really need some kind of hook, that really humanizes some of the characters.

I think the issue is that we are supposed to actually like some of the characters. If it fully embraced them being assholes, it'd work better. The jokes are also a bit weak.

IShallRiseAgain
Sep 12, 2008

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So I watched the first two episodes of Pantheon, its really good.

Although, I laughed when the protagonist somehow uploaded 40tbs in a few minutes at most. (which is also supposed to store her dad).

IShallRiseAgain
Sep 12, 2008

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Oh, I forgot to mention that I spotted a neat little Easter egg in Pantheon on Maddie's desktop. There is a shortcut to a youtube video, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MSEsh6jgHE

IShallRiseAgain
Sep 12, 2008

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Bust Rodd posted:

Watched the first two Bee & Puppycat episodes on Netflix, it is firmly & squarely aimed at the Steven Universe crowd, but with more of the energy of Adventure Time, and maybe a little more, uh, fluid, like if you took Steven Universe/Adventure Time and added a tiny smidge of Invader Zim.

I really love the art style but every character being this completely muted level of energy in dialogue makes the pacing feel absolutely glacial. Ironically the only character who sounds real is the computer AI. Excellent sense of comedic timing though, I giggled and snorted a bunch. Will def be finishing at some point.

Basically if you like any of the Rebecca Sugar twee cutesy stuff then you should give it a try.

My personal spicy take is “It’s Steven Universe but GOOD”

Steven Universe's plot basically stalled completely after season 1. There were arcs of course, but they meant as much to the overall plot as anime filler arcs. Despite the story going nowhere, it started focusing a lot more on it and the comedic elements weren't as prevalent. The super stretched out release schedule made it less obvious because people were happy when any new content came out.

IShallRiseAgain
Sep 12, 2008

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Jasper plot has a whole lot of build-up, then its resolved and Jasper vanishes for a long time with the status quo not changing much after the arc is wrapped up. The Cystal gem at the core of the world has a whole lot of build-up, is dealt with, and then things return to status quo again. I admit, I haven't finished Steven Universe completely. I think I stopped watching around the time the Bismuth arc concluded, so maybe the plot actually starts progressing at some point. That doesn't change the fact that it spends a long time with the plot going nowhere.

IShallRiseAgain
Sep 12, 2008

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Rand Brittain posted:

So, a lot of stuff happened, but it doesn't count as plot for some reason?

If it doesn't change the status quo yes. Like I said it was like anime filler arcs. Things happen, but they don't actually have long lasting effects and characters don't bring them up. At least not for a long time.

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IShallRiseAgain
Sep 12, 2008

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SlothfulCobra posted:

Steven Universe is very slow-paced show that dwells a lot on Steven living in a small town and having to find his own fun, and it takes a long time for anything about the space or drama to play out. The show is more concerned about examining the feelings of characters than it is about getting to the point where those characters do big action.

It's something that a lot of people wouldn't have patience for, even if it was a major landmark in more "mature" cartoons.

Well like I said the show was good in season 1. I feel like it lost its way in season 2 where it stopped focusing on Beach City as much and you got less character moments. It focused on these big action plots that ultimately didn't lead to anywhere. Someone mentioned the show was about Steven's relationship with his mom, but I feel like after Season 1, she hardly got mentioned for a very long time. You can say the show is about exploring emotions, but there is a long time where it focuses on the plot that is ultimately mostly filler.

And sure the show might have course corrected itself at some point, but I don't have an obligation to continue watching a show that I felt lost its way in order to comment on it. I feel like I watched too much of it already and only kept on watching because I hoped it would return to the quality of season 1.

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