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Moon Atari posted:Actively killing something and reproducing despite the inevitability of death are incredibly, overwhelmingly and obviously different. If your morality genuinely couldn't distinguish between giving birth and murdering a child you would be completely dysfunctional. shut up jesus christ How about instead of all that poo poo we laugh at the fact that this company sold a brand of milk called "Fairlife" while abusing the poo poo out of these animals. The whole industry of "organic", "wholesome", "fair" agriculture seems especially insidious. Like, at least with a company like Tyson meats you know what their game is and they make no illusions about it, while companies like this are doing this incredibly holier-than-thou thing while all the time beating the gently caress out of their cows, or poisoning Chipotle customers with bad lettuce because their "organic" farming methods do things like dump raw sewage on food for human consumption because they're stuck in the loving dark ages.
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Moon Atari posted:Actively killing something and reproducing despite the inevitability of death are incredibly, overwhelmingly and obviously different. If your morality genuinely couldn't distinguish between giving birth and murdering a child you would be completely dysfunctional. for someone who posts so many words about "moral honesty" you seem to lack it as far as i can figure, someone who is "morally honest" would be able to discern differences that there are many reasons for actions and be honest about the implications and results of those reasons but instead of pissing back and forth about that, maybe we should be just regular honest and get you to define this bullshit term because the first result for it on google, far from a definition that anyone can reason about or even quibble with, is a psuedo-intellectual blog post with one of the most Silly White Girl urls i have seen in my loving life (https://motivation.media/moral-honesty)
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Moon Atari posted:Actively killing something and reproducing despite the inevitability of death are incredibly, overwhelmingly and obviously different. If your morality genuinely couldn't distinguish between giving birth and murdering a child you would be completely dysfunctional. Moon Atari posted:Literally every bit of footage that has ever emerged from slaughter houses looks bad Moon Atari posted:I'm not even advocating veganism, just moral honesty. It's weak ethical character to lie to yourself or accept cheap comforting fantasy like you're a kid believing your parents when they tell you your dog went to live on a nice farm somewhere.
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Jun 9, 2019 02:36
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Jun 9, 2019 02:40
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I also want people treating cows (and animals in general) like poo poo to go to jail.
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Jun 9, 2019 02:40
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I’m having a pineapple and ham pizza tonight from Casey’s.
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Jun 9, 2019 02:46
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Burt Sexual posted:I’m having a pineapple and ham pizza tonight from Casey’s. My ni... Neighbor. Good choice. Next time consider throwing some green bell pepper in the mix!
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Jun 9, 2019 02:51
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gary oldmans diary posted:its possible to kill an animal via utterly painless methods or through means that are so fast there is no opportunity for the animal to suffer Why don't they use those methods for people on death row if they're that good?
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Woden posted:Why don't they use those methods for people on death row if they're that good? Because state-ordered human execution is about revenge and nothing more?
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Jun 9, 2019 03:44
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Because people want public executions, but a public execution where they pop a bolt in the guy's forehead then string him up and drain him would be a little too much
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Jun 9, 2019 04:01
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It’s been scientifically proven over and over again that all of our execution methods are designed to appeal to the viewer, not to insure comfort for the inmate, and they are pretty much always paralyzed and in incredible pain.
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Jun 9, 2019 04:07
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Bust Rodd posted:It’s been scientifically proven over and over again that all of our execution methods are designed to appeal to the viewer, not to insure comfort for the inmate, and they are pretty much always paralyzed and in incredible pain. Nitrogen gas is probably the least painful, but no one uses it cause they actually want people to suffer.
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Jun 9, 2019 04:20
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Death Row inmates always get a cushy last meal. John Wayne Gacy got fried chicken and strawberries, but personally I would demand a Jumbo Shrimpers Net Catch, from the Bubba Gump Shrimp Company (and oh yeah, don't forget about 15 Dr. Peppers to wash it down  )
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Jun 9, 2019 04:24
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Put all cows in the electric chair
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sweet geek swag posted:Nitrogen gas is probably the least painful, but no one uses it cause they actually want people to suffer.
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Jun 9, 2019 05:56
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Jun 9, 2019 06:01
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im gay (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Jun 9, 2019 06:06
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the animal abuse is hosed up but i had to stop the video when i saw that they were smoking marijuana. uh trigger warning much?
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Jun 9, 2019 09:17
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i love eating bovine flesh
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Jose Mengelez posted:the animal abuse is hosed up but i had to stop the video when i saw that they were smoking marijuana. uh trigger warning much? If people need weed or coke in order to not abuse animals, then by god I say let them do all the drugs. But in this case they did not seem to help the situation.
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What’s weirder to me is that groups of people engage in the abuse together like it’s super normal. Like if I caught a lady smacking her kid in the head at the grocery store I’d probably bite my tongue but if someone touches an animal in front of me I become Captain Mother loving Planet.
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Jun 9, 2019 10:05
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gently caress being paralysed and suffocated or whatever america has their unlicensed executioners inject you with after eyeballing the dose, if you guys wanna execute people either use a firing squad or the classic reliable guillotine
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Jun 9, 2019 10:28
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Or just don’t loving murder people because that’s a hosed up, expensive, and authoritarian thing to do.
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Jun 9, 2019 10:33
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And it's not even a good deterrent. Literally flushing millions of dollars down the toilet to make a handful of people feel slightly better.
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Jun 9, 2019 10:39
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Bust Rodd posted:Or just don’t loving murder people because that’s a hosed up, expensive, and authoritarian thing to do. i mean i am australian and that's obvious to me but if you're gonna do it at least do it in a less torturous way
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Bust Rodd posted:It’s been scientifically proven over and over again that all of our execution methods are designed to appeal to the viewer, not to insure comfort for the inmate, and they are pretty much always paralyzed and in incredible pain. Hell half of it is about leaving a dignified corpse. Sure third world execution by being dragged out and shot is awful but I'd much prefer having my head instantly exploded over being fed an agonising drug cocktail. Or we could, you know, not kill anyone 
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Jun 9, 2019 11:18
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Harming animals for one's own pleasure? I can't believe it!
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Jun 9, 2019 11:29
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I never understood why animal abuse is so horrible at seemingly every factory farm. Not systemic abuse as a by product of like, the slaughterhouse process, but just person on animal cruelty. Is it reflective of the local culture in the areas these operations tend to be in? Or, my guess, is it because the work is lovely, stressful, difficult and underpaid, so workers end up taking out their petty frustrations on the animals?
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I imagine a lot of workers come to resent the animals for various reasons, almost like how people stuck in retail hell often end up hating the customers they have to deal with all the time. This is no excuse for animal abuse though. That's hosed up as hell. If you're killing a creature to eat it the process should be as stress-free and painless as you can possibly make something so violent as slaughter. Same as how you shouldn't take a shot at an animal when hunting unless you're 100% sure it will kill quickly.
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Replace all cow farms and slaughterhouses with cricket farms (and slaughterhouses) and then it's ok for sick fucks to abuse them.
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Honky Dong Country posted:I imagine a lot of workers come to resent the animals for various reasons, almost like how people stuck in retail hell often end up hating the customers they have to deal with all the time. This is no excuse for animal abuse though. That's hosed up as hell. If you're killing a creature to eat it the process should be as stress-free and painless as you can possibly make something so violent as slaughter. Also the more an animal suffers the more likely their meat you may or may not eat after torturing it is gonna be pumped full of adrenaline as it panics and realizes it is about to die, which usually makes the meat taste worst.
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Strategic Tea posted:Hell half of it is about leaving a dignified corpse. Sure third world execution by being dragged out and shot is awful but I'd much prefer having my head instantly exploded over being fed an agonising drug cocktail. Saudi Arabia is a fairly hosed place but at least they don't shy away from what they're doing. They have an official executioner who will lop your head off with a sword 
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EorayMel posted:Also the more an animal suffers the more likely their meat you may or may not eat after torturing it is gonna be pumped full of adrenaline as it panics and realizes it is about to die, which usually makes the meat taste worst. I do agree but to me this is secondary. I hunt and I have no problem killing animals and enjoying their delicious flesh. But I can't stand the idea of killing an animal slowly just on an emotional level. I've let tons of animals pass by because I couldn't guarantee a humane killing shot. The idea of gutshotting an animal and them getting away to painfully die after several days is loving horrifying to me. Every animal I've killed was from a shot right through the boilerworks that bled them out fast as hell. I'm not a moron and I'm not going to call it painless, but it's still better than confining an animal and beating the piss outta it and so on and so forth. Just godamn kill the thing as fast as possible. 
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Shinjobi posted:Put all cows in the electric chair
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gary oldmans diary posted:whoa whoa slow down edison That was an elephant that edison killed. I guess it was like a big cow.
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Colonel Cancer posted:Replace all cow farms and slaughterhouses with cricket farms (and slaughterhouses) and then it's ok for sick fucks to abuse them. mods please ban this animal abuser tia
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Moon Atari posted:Do you think capitalist industry would bother to reliably achieve such carefully executed murder? Even in terms of how the human workers are treated it seems like one of the least ethical or regulated industries. Lol, do you think a government run factory would give a poo poo either?
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You shouldn't be mean to animals ):
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Burt Sexual posted:Imagine actively voting to perpetuate the abuse of animals. the other side of this is: imagine actively voting to increase the cost of food in america almost all animal welfare/food crusaders in america skim over the fact that poor people can already barely afford to eat, restaurants can barely afford to operate, and all their reforms would make food more expensive. not that that matters to bougie facebook moms poverty goat fucked around with this message at 16:15 on Jun 9, 2019 |
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Heer98 posted:I never understood why animal abuse is so horrible at seemingly every factory farm. Not systemic abuse as a by product of like, the slaughterhouse process, but just person on animal cruelty. Is it reflective of the local culture in the areas these operations tend to be in? Or, my guess, is it because the work is lovely, stressful, difficult and underpaid, so workers end up taking out their petty frustrations on the animals? Capitalism doesn't even bother treating the humans on the bottom humanely it's no real surprise the frustrated and raw workers begin to hate everything about the animals they're barely paid to handle. Doesn't justify or even excuse it but stuff like this needs a topdown solution that invests in a good environment for the workers as well as the animals and I think we'll find things just naturally improve. But that would likely result in less yachts and vacation homes so maybe the best we can do is pass more regulations that make food more expensive and blame the workers for "failing to follow company policy" whenever a leak like this happens.
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