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fwiw i think that the point that remoanerism was poison is sound, but i don't think that labour could've won by offering a competing vision of vrexit. they would've been faced with a mighty saueeze between the remainer hardliners and the leave-at-all-costs blood cultists. farage would've been yammering about how labour brexit wasn't brexit at all whereas the remainers - including the mass membership they literally just got back - would've been severely demoralised and started defecting to the lib dems and greens brexit was gravely mishandled by the liberal factions (and theresa may) since the referendum, allowing it to stew into a bitter identitarian mess. the second referendum was always seen as a remainer vehicle and thus lost all legitimacy as a compromise position despite the genuinely decent case for it
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lol corbynism is probably the least idpol-oriented mainstream left doctrine in the western world atm complaining about that doesn't make sense at all
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advising against electoralism in the current political moment is stupid. there is no viable non-electoral push which can get concessions at the present time, and there won't be until the next big collapse at the earliest. sanders is by no means radical enough, but he's a drat sight better than anything else that's been viable in american electoral politics probably ever
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Serf posted:the trillbillies and chapo both seem to be getting a little too congratulatory about bernie's chances. the unlocked trueanon podcast is a good antidote to that, as you will be reminded of the 2016 ratfuckery one must be vigilant, but sanders has a genuine shot here and pretending otherwise is doing ourselves a disservice
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Feb 7, 2020 14:07
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he has no support among minority groups of voters still, and the democratic nomination is unachievable without that. he's done well in iowa where he focussed all of his efforts and he might make a decent second in NH, but there's no way he takes any of the southern states and sanders is going to have a decent delegate lead by super tuesday. yes, the spin is going to be that buttigieg is outperforming expectations, but spin can only achieve so much - if sanders establishes himself as a front runner by super tuesday, all the little graphics have to show him in the lead. that is enough. the only candidate who was in a real position to beat him was biden, and biden's falling apart. right now, this is sanders' race to lose even factoring in press spin and party machining
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Feb 7, 2020 14:19
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Gripweed posted:It's difficult to see how Pete overcomes his low support among people of color. Short of like, Obama himself descending from Pizzagate Island and endorsing him what's more, this has to happen very soon
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incompetence and chaos provides opportunities for whoever commands the structures in play to put their thumb on the scale. this is a big part of why people are saying that incompetence/malice isn't that big a distinction - a half-assed process is much easier to rig.
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Feb 7, 2020 15:42
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lots of irregularities will be glossed over, but if they get caught actually stuffing ballots it's going to cause outrage i think. election trickery is basically expected these days, but i'm pretty sure the line goes at explicit tampering with individual votes
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Feb 7, 2020 18:37
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isn't part of chapo's appeal that they're really just a bunch of weirdo dorks who sit around ranting about politics though a lot of what they do is really awkward, but everybody knows someone like these people, the chapo core audience of thirty-ish-year-old downwardly socially mobile slackers listens to them in no small part thanks to this somewhat pathetic earnestness imo
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Feb 11, 2020 01:08
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tiberion02 posted:As opposed to what we do, here.... i admire them! they dare be as ridiculous as they are, and it's working for them because a great many of us from that generation (myself included) have this weird ennui which they channel honestly and without attempting to disguise it. i personally try to put a straight face on it, but i feel it too, amidst the rotting remnants of my country's great triumphs. the thing is, the cringe is a part of the package - sometimes they'll go for a joke and it will just bomb spectacularly, and that is part of the appeal because it's so intensely relatable
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maoist cadres do take on a lot of the trappings of religious movement, including the struggle sessions which have several functions - not least giving space to vent and to have honest discussion in otherwise extremely dogmatic settings. leaving the self-flagellation to discrete ritualised sessions is very important because it means that people can go through most of their daily lives without being constantly called out for all sorts of transgressions - the sort of culture you see in some left spaces on twitter etc. it takes on its major cult-like qualities in cases where the cadre has stagnated and its members confronted with the futility of the sacrifice demanded from them. how a political movement handles dissent is a really interesting phenomenon - be too open and you'll be subverted at the first sign of success, but be too closed and you'll quickly degenerate into sectarianism
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Feb 12, 2020 17:08
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i listened to the first couple of episodes of trueanon (up until epstein actually got killed) and holy moly i never realised the sheer scope of the unsavoury connections involved there lol the guy was basically operating in the open
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i feel as though the clandestine podcasting business must be sinister in the extreme
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Feb 27, 2020 00:07
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Crowsbeak posted:Amber showed why she was best Chapo. Also her stance on female presidents reminds me of Anna. she's the most politically savvy of them - keeps trying to pull them back from triumphalism and complacency etc and has some solid analyses not blinded by outrage. i think felix is def funniest, but if i were hiring a political adviser out of the lot it'd definitely be her
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Feb 27, 2020 10:16
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yeah it's an amazing piece of the exact stuff the chapos are rightly ridiculing - the prudishness, the weird moral superiority, the desperate need to look for some equivalence (menaker's from a media class background! gasp!), even the absurd idea that it is wrong to make a living off one's passion. you love to see it
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Feb 29, 2020 17:58
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Serf posted:has anyone ever demonstrated where chapo has been racist? you could make a disingenuous case for all the other stuff i guess but racism? they certainly flirt with racialised jokes and stuff, but apart from not being complete bores they're normally well within the boundaries of acceptably woke behaviour
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Mar 2, 2020 14:56
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religion is, a lot of places, the only thing that keeps the community together. when the source for funding becomes these insane right-wing maniacs, then doctrine follows suit. and because everything has to be a business in america, so is religion... imo the pro strat for a socialist to appeal to religious conservatives is to just point out the sheer dissolution that follows free-market ideology. i've had a lot of success with pointing to the disruption of the family in the wake of commercial contraception (in itself a good thing imo, but you know), for example, and in america i'm sure one can build a wonderful case out of the opioid epidemic. any actual conservatives (and there are quite a lot of them) believes in community to some extent, and capitalism is just complete havoc on community in a way which is often possible to leverage into a way to get them to actually engage with you
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Mar 2, 2020 20:38
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what the hell does "making spaces harmful" mean and how does a podcast do it
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Mar 2, 2020 21:47
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Venom Snake posted:Im not sure anyone who had access to this website in their teens was being Extremely Responsible in their posting, i know i sure was embarrassing myself as hard as i could ah those were glorious days
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friendship cancelled with chapo now trueanon is my best friend it's a little kooky but the peaks are much higher than chapo, i actually learn poo poo here
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wait hang on is brace belden pisspiggrandad
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ooooooh i was wondering what they were talking about re: the middle east, of course he's literally served in the YPG lol
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Mar 14, 2020 03:00
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hell, much respect for that. i get the impression that they put foreigners in relatively safe positions but that's still a hard as gently caress thing to do
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liz is also much more knowledgeable than me about important economics stuff and has a good knack for offering very salient critiques that i hadn't thought of myself so i appreciate her a lot. i like her assessment of the weaknesses of roe v wade, for instance
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there is good reason for people on the left to take stock of a situation where previously unassailable dogmas on the left have been successfully deployed to kneecap the two strongest champions of the left in decades. certainly some theses like oppression existing primarily in the mind if the oppressed are going to need careful scrutiny going forward
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Prince Myshkin posted:"Shove off, dames! We don't need you, a group of people who face no special or extra oppression, scolding us and bringing down the workers' movement." — V.I. Lenin the lenin/luxemburg polemics on the national question really bear a frightening amount of relevance to present anxieties re: racial isses. it meshes much less neatly onto sexual minorities and women, though really the big problem with the identitarian paradigm is its privileging of the subjective experience of oppression as effectively irrefutable - this helps a lot as a rule of thumb to prevent dudes like me from trying to say 'uh excuse me x is clearly not racist' to various concerns, but the focus on lived experience is pretty obviously detrimental to any sort of generalised analysis, and demands for intersectional solidarity absolutely need that or it'll quickly turn into eternal quibbles about the give and take, because there's no good way of weighing concerns against each other. tbh it really does feel to me that marxism was the obvious answer to a question begged by intersectionalism, and suddenly we're back in the sixties and marxist-feminists are getting agitated at the bourgeois neo-feminists...
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forkboy84 posted:Thank God the CC knew the way to keep power was removing all power from the Soviets, effectively disenfranchising the workers, crushing the peasantry and having anyone who disagreed on even the smallest tactical issue killed while allowing for a new class of comfortable bureaucrats to emerge. Proper job. the bolshevik regime really did need to centralise control a lot. the country was in complete ruin and their whole mandate was based on making poo poo better right now. criticism is fair, but i think you're being unfair here - the anarchist way would've simply seen the union splintered and reduced to client states in pretty short order
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the failure of the soviet project has very valuable lessons for the left, but it's almost impossible to accurately analyse because of the confounders and reader bias. imo it's a falsification of lenin's thesis of the revolution spreading from the periphery, as well as a lesson in the enormous difficulty of implementing a radical programme in a country in ruins
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Pizza Segregationist posted:it sucks that people use identity politics to cynically attack the left sometimes the issue is that it's not just 'sometimes', it's been a remarkably effective attack for half a decade at this point and we absolutely need an answer. part of this is probably going to have to be moving away from the focus on subjectivity and thus on what amounts to creating a formal etiquette, and this isn't a trivial move - there will be a *lot* of protests, often for pretty good reasons
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i think that zizek would take exception to being called a serious intellectual
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forkboy84 posted:I think the Bolsheviks were slightly unfair when they turned the Red Army on anarchists, Left SRs, left coms and others before the purging turned on themselves with first the Workers Opposition crushed and then the rest. I'm not arguing violence in defence of the revolution is bad but I've got reasonable I think suspicion of leftists who happily other leftists for not sufficiently bending the knee. i mean if you want to see where the suspicion of dissent came from you can just imagine the online left, except there literally is a major ongoing international effort to smother them in the crib again, they really needed a state to do stuff, being less centralist would've seen them snuffed out. there's a reason early soviet lawmaking is so incredibly erratic on e.g. the subject of the death penalty and elected red army officers. they were locked in a titanic death struggle and the entire bolshevik party structure was set up for discipline. left-wing opposition was as dangerous to the nascent soviet project as right-wing opposition was, unfortunately. it's a fair gripe to say that they should've fallen rather than taking those measures, but history does show what happens when they're *not* taken with the bavarian soviet republic and the paris commune - they thought it necessary for survival, and i have a very hard time disagreeing with that assessment there were extremely compelling reasons for the bolsheviks to do what they did, is what i'm saying, even if it went to poo poo in a hurry.
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forkboy84 posted:But then you look at the Spanish revolution to see a good example of the Bolshevik strategy being loving stupid and ultimately ending up with the fash winning. I just do not accept the premise that a revolution only succeeds by purging dissenting voices entirely. The lesson I take away from the Bolshevik coup is that the existence of a left wing opposition is in fact vital to stop the inevitable products of the democratic centralist vanguard party policy, which were the revolution eating its children, until all you had left were the strongman and the yes-men he surrounded himself with, your Molotovs, Kaganovichs, Zhdanovs, idiocy like Lysenkoism where even science is beholden to the decisions of the party CC. Not to mention the growth of the nomenklatura. stalin turning the comintern into an instrument of socialism in one country was bad, i agree, and the popular front strategy should've allowed a much greater flexibility in terms of alliances thotsky posted:Taking leftist infighting/theory/history personally is about as stupid as being genuinely upset about guillotine jokes. No leftist is coming for your neck dude, we're as far removed from power as can be. well you say that before the revolution... at any rate i think reiterating these old conflicts is often fruitful because we very often get bogged down in reinventing the theoretical wheel. a lot of work has been done in the past, and our movement is only now starting to realise what it is - there's still a lot of theory that basically needs to be rediscovered imo
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generational politics remains a mistake and a culture war, i'm pretty sure they're trying to tamp down those aspects of it
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THS posted:then liz needs to not say inaccurate stuff like the boomers stopped us from nuking vietnam and then double down when called out on it by claiming she knows her history. i get trying to push back on generational warfare but don’t make statements that will make your audience take you less seriously they did though, the older boomers and younger silent generation made up the bulk of the sixty-eighter tendency that did a lot of good poo poo it's just that the best elements of a generation are never the largest groups
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Mar 20, 2020 15:41
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Retromancer posted:Matt made a point in the beltway garage ep about how because of how wealth is distributed in this country, generational differences also contain quite a bit of class difference at this moment. yes but talking about it in terms of age means that you end up with stupid demographic arguments instead of something actionable it's a classical mediator effect, we don't want to get hung up on it
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Mar 20, 2020 17:55
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:also starkly different voting patterns cannot be ignored poor people often have terrible class consciousness, especially when class is as completely absent from the hegemonic discourse as it is and has been in the west for a long time
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Mar 20, 2020 20:09
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:yeah or like their generation's overwhelming views on climate change in my country at least climate denialism is almost linear with age, there's no clear generational effect
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Mar 20, 2020 20:36
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'boomer' is not equal to 'olds' on its own terms
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unless generational effects are posited it makes even less sense to talk about boomers wtf this is not pedantry
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MizPiz posted:That's true, but it also doesn't need to be something that's planned ahead. All of the most successful strikes in history (including ones that lead directly revolutions) were started spontaneously as an immediate reaction to some inciting event. Just because a general rent strike isn't being organized doesn't mean one isn't about to happen. these actions don't appear out of thin air either, every time there's been major effective action there have been organisations ready to take charge and coordinate things. at the present, there is no mass movement in america anywhere near radical and organised enough to pull off a rent strike, and it's almost certainly going to end in a demoralising defeat with a bunch of people evicted and in debt
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