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Having finished Kevin's story, he still does kind of talk like a caveman, it's just less pronounced. He tends to bark out short sentences. It's honestly kind of weird because nobody else in Ferolia talks like that and he has no reason to be uneducated. Also, his dad is a total dick and I strongly regret not getting to kill him, especially since even if he didn't kill the dog or Kevin's mom he still started a war that murdered a bunch of innocent people for no reason.
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Oh yeah, I've been able to find some good written responses to Mana, I only meant video/audio responses to it. I wanted to hear someone as excited about it as I was. Finally found one though! A guy named Vinny from the Vinesauce (?) channel recognized it as Seiken Densetsu 3 and seemed pretty excited about it. Got one! 
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Would Secret of Evermore count as a game of this series? I grew up with Secret of Mana but I was terrible at playing it and eventually my brother got SoE and it played a lot like it but was a lot more fun and easier for my dumb western rear end. I only ask because I always assumed it was made by the same team with how it played and the ui.
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Spudd posted:Would Secret of Evermore count as a game of this series? I grew up with Secret of Mana but I was terrible at playing it and eventually my brother got SoE and it played a lot like it but was a lot more fun and easier for my dumb western rear end. I only ask because I always assumed it was made by the same team with how it played and the ui. It was made by a completely western team, the only game made by Square USA and also where Jeremy Soule (Elder Scrolls composer) got his start in the business, but also I don't think anybody cares if you talk about it here, it's a cool game.
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Jun 14, 2019 17:06
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Gyoru posted:Someone on resetera made a Trials of Mana: Three Job Thiesta, which is similar to the yearly FFV4JF. Hot drat, I clicked on the link and first thing it gave me were the exact three characters I picked, even in the same order, for my current playthrough. Noice!
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Jun 14, 2019 17:10
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Maybe it’s a hot take, but I vastly prefer playing Secret of Evermore over SoM. Such a classic.
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Cipher Pol 9 posted:Oh yeah, I've been able to find some good written responses to Mana, I only meant video/audio responses to it. I wanted to hear someone as excited about it as I was. Vinny is super cool and absolutely lost his poo poo at Trials. His BK and BotW2 reactions were also good. Trials reaction: https://youtu.be/WyoTnSp4lDw?t=20m23s Banjo-Kazooie reaction: https://youtu.be/WyoTnSp4lDw?t=45m06s BotW2 reaction: https://youtu.be/WyoTnSp4lDw?t=47m48s Pollyanna fucked around with this message at 17:23 on Jun 14, 2019 |
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Jun 14, 2019 17:18
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The only problem with Evermore is the lack of coop.
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I really liked Evermore and always thought it was unfair that all the Square frogs would poo poo on it and blame it for SD3 not getting a US release.
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I still have not actually beaten Evermore now that I think about it, kept losing savefiles for one reason or another.
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Levantine posted:So having not played this in decades, I've picked a party of Duran/Riesz/Hawk. Riesz is going Light/Dark for party buffs, Hawk is probably going Dark/Light for Debuffs. I'm thinking about taking Duran Swordmaster but that leaves me without any healing. Am I going to regret that or do the sabers and damage make up for it? This is a great combo and almost identical to what I always use (Dark/Dark for Hawkeye). Riesz and Duran have the mulit-target buffs to get everyone going quickly, leaving Hawkeye to apply his debuffs. Poto Oils and Moon Saber should more than cover most of your healing needs.
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Secret of Evermore has this really foreboding and sort of creepy aesthetic that I think stems largely from Jeremy Soule's soundtrack, which is unusually atmospheric for an SNES game (as opposed to the JRPG style of hyper tracks with notey melodies, active basslines, and lots of percussion). The gameplay is also a lot of fun, though there's quite a bit of missable stuff like learnable spells and spell components that could really cripple you in combat if you don't find them. I remember it being a fairly difficult game overall. But hey, a Square RPG with time travel and a dog companion—how could that NOT be great? But yeah man, this soundtrack... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9DuAzh9ejM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvB2W-TJRHA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlyIJFh0bxA *chef kiss*
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There’s an old glitch that makes SoE a breeze too: if you attempt to use your escape spell during a boss fight, it makes you invincible. I used this to great effect as a kid.
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timp posted:But yeah man, this soundtrack... I actually think SoE's soundtrack is one of Soule's best works. He got pigeonholed over time into doing fairly generic-sounding orchestral high fantasy music, but I vastly prefer the moodier/atmospheric tone that SoE strikes.
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Has there been any talk at all about Legend of Mana getting a remake? I've been playing through it for about a month now and it's quite enjoyable. The only problem is the graphics are a bit muddy on HD.
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Based on the out of (mostly) nowhere remake of SD3, I’m going to say we’ll see a remake of Legend sometime in our lifetime.
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SettingSun posted:There’s an old glitch that makes SoE a breeze too: if you attempt to use your escape spell during a boss fight, it makes you invincible. I used this to great effect as a kid. There's another bug where you can cast Atlas, save, reload, and then when Atlas wears off your attack will rollover through 0 to ~65,000. Works with other buff spells too.
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jadebullet posted:Has there been any talk at all about Legend of Mana getting a remake? I've been playing through it for about a month now and it's quite enjoyable. The only problem is the graphics are a bit muddy on HD. https://www.gameinformer.com/preview/2019/06/11/decades-in-the-making quote:10. The producers want to remake the entire series eventually, so there may be something for Legend of Mana if Trials of Mana sells well. They also want to eventually make new Mana games that channel the series' origins better.
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timp posted:Secret of Evermore has this really foreboding and sort of creepy aesthetic that I think stems largely from Jeremy Soule's soundtrack, which is unusually atmospheric for an SNES game (as opposed to the JRPG style of hyper tracks with notey melodies, active basslines, and lots of percussion). The gameplay is also a lot of fun, though there's quite a bit of missable stuff like learnable spells and spell components that could really cripple you in combat if you don't find them. I remember it being a fairly difficult game overall. But hey, a Square RPG with time travel and a dog companion—how could that NOT be great? The game has this moody and lonely atmosphere that I've never really experienced in another game. It's so well done and I have such fond memories. You're right in that the soundtrack contributes heavily to that atmosphere. I hope they do another collection with that and Legend of Mana or something one day.
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Ugh, apparently it's possible to get completely stuck in Final Fantasy Adventure. I ended up between a section with two locked doors in the Dark Lords castle with no keys left, and there are no enemies that drop keys inbetween these doors. Well, time to move on to Secret of Mana, I guess. But what a bummer, I wanted to finish them all in order.
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I was expecting to just tolerate the gameplay like I do with SoM, but yeah, it's actually pretty fun. The choice to emphasize action in the combat holds up well.
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I'm trying to play Secret of Mana before I start chomping into SD3 (I never finished it as a kid) and I kinda feel like the hit detection is... bad. Maybe I'm doing it wrong but I'm whiffing probably ⅓ my attacks and I don't like it.
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Secret of Mana has it so you can miss attacks, and also enemies can block them, but the original version of the game gives you no feedback on misses, and enemy guards only make a little noise.
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Did they give a release date for Trials of Mana in the direct? I didn't play the original and I'm super hyped to play the remake because the artstyle looks amazing and I've heard lots of good things about it. What other Mana game would you goons recommend me to play? The only ones in the series I've played were Legend of Mana which had a somewhat fun combat system as PS1 games go and fun world building mechanic, but the story was meh, and Dawn of Mana which I really liked despite the terrible combat system due to the slightly more interesting story, great music, how big and detailed the maps were and how gorgeous it looked. Particularly this little fucker   lezard_valeth fucked around with this message at 08:33 on Jun 16, 2019 |
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Am I remembering correctly that Dawn of Mana has, like, the most depressing loving story? I recall the ending to that game being miserably bleak. And in retrospect, it kinda made me wonder if it was supposed to be an origin story for SD3's Dark Prince.
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Beefstew posted:Am I remembering correctly that Dawn of Mana has, like, the most depressing loving story? I recall the ending to that game being miserably bleak. It was. Or at least I remember so? I played this way back in the PS2 around e: welp google says this came out in 2007 so I guess it wasn't as long ago as I thought. the gently caress memory
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lezard_valeth posted:It was. Or at least I remember so? I played this way back in the PS2 around Yeah, I remember literally everyone other than the protagonist bites it, and the latter half of the game is him crying and euthanizing his loved ones, then he returns home to his desolate and empty village. Happy ending! Deffo seems like a villain origin story. A lot of people say that Stroud from that game somehow survived and became the SD3 Archdemon, but honestly, it's gotta be the protagonist.
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The music was cool though https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AChHKPVeoG0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpUusaENTIQ e: ok nvm I rewatched a video of that fight and something was definitely wrong with the brain of 12 years ago me. that fight seems very obnoxious and unfun  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6QDWh6Whfo&t=1660s lezard_valeth fucked around with this message at 09:02 on Jun 16, 2019 |
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lezard_valeth posted:The music was cool though Oh yeah, that game tops the list of "bad games with great OSTs". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-tJQpmtXJo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVAUzHKwON0
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Gyoru posted:Someone on resetera made a Trials of Mana: Three Job Thiesta, which is similar to the yearly FFV4JF. Hot diggity drat, just finished replaying it on collection, now I have an excuse to play again! Gave me Paladin/Fenrir Knight/Dervish so its wabbit season. http://www.robin64.co.uk/tomtjt/perma.php?one=11&two=44&three=53
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Okay so I'm gonna replay Secret of Mana (and finish it this time) should I be waiting for my meter to fully recharge before attacking again and should I exclusively be using charge attacks? Also loving jellies dodging everything forever.
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Dawn of Mana and Children of Mana are both supposed to be origin stories (one is the sequel to the other, I don't remember how that goes offhand).Spudd posted:Okay so I'm gonna replay Secret of Mana (and finish it this time) should I be waiting for my meter to fully recharge before attacking again and should I exclusively be using charge attacks? Yes. No.
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Spudd posted:Okay so I'm gonna replay Secret of Mana (and finish it this time) should I be waiting for my meter to fully recharge before attacking again and should I exclusively be using charge attacks? 100% and I believe lvl 1 charge are basically the only attacks worth using. Maybe not ever worth charging other than during boss downtime
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I know you're taking it back but it's a cool fight because it activates havok physics on the tower you were just climbing as part of the stage and both you and the boss' attacks can make it crumble, it's a fun idea. Ultimately most of the bosses in that game are just "find environment object, chuck it at the boss" though.
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How different is the translation between the official and fan version of Trials of Mana? Are there any gameplay changes? I am not really feeling the tiny font on the official version.
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GBS Ambassador posted:How different is the translation between the official and fan version of Trials of Mana? Are there any gameplay changes? I am not really feeling the tiny font on the official version. I’m about 4 hours in and it’s virtually the exact same. That Neil guy who translated it in the 90’s did a phenomenal job as it turns out, and the port is identical to the original game as far as I can tell. Only changes I’ve noticed so far are a few basic localization changes to the names of some of the countries, towns, spell names; stuff like that. Gameplay and plot are exactly the same (right down to a few unfortunate stat glitches; we’ve yet to confirm if crits are back (I haven’t seen them) or if Duran’s shield works now, for instance—I’m starting to suspect they’ve not been addressed )
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Kevin's vocal pattern is less annoying, and Charlotte's is much more annoying. Also the ruler of Altena is now the True Queen instead of the Queen of Reason, which seems like a downgrade. In general both translations seem to be of good quality; the new one appears to be running for consistency with Heroes of Mana.
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Rand Brittain posted:Kevin's vocal pattern is less annoying, and Charlotte's is much more annoying. Also the ruler of Altena is now the True Queen instead of the Queen of Reason, which seems like a downgrade.
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