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Ravenfood
Nov 4, 2011


Fedule posted:

Anyone not?

It won't last but I'll try to hold to one episode a day so I can think about things.

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Ulio
Feb 17, 2011



Fedule posted:

Anyone not?

Ya I can't binge 1hr long shows normally but anything with mystery elements I just devour.

I feel like I should have rewatched the first two seasons like many people here did. I might be a bit rusty on all the characters and timeline. I was trying to convince my sister to watch it with me but I am showing her it's always sunny so that's not a bad rewatch either.

Also I still feel like this show is severely underrated here but it seems to have done well for Netflix so still happy.

Fedule
Mar 27, 2010


No one left uncured.
I got you.


As well as the customary rewatch, remember that dark.netflix.io exists, and is quite good for patching individual things you might have forgotten.

BioThermo
Feb 18, 2014



That mural rules, too.

21 Hoot Salute
Feb 8, 2005

Night-time, turn around
Lonely is the city tonight
Night-time, all around
Lonely in the city tonight





I'm way too excited for the new season, this week has been absolutely dragging by.

Shimrra Jamaane
Aug 9, 2007

Aloy, Despite the Nora


Will there even be a forum here to discuss season 3? And if so will anyone be left anyway?

Chef Boyardeez Nuts
Sep 9, 2011

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Look, we have to change the past and prevent the Lowtax from fighting Uwe Boll, and also get him into yoga and some domestic violence classes.

err
Apr 11, 2005


Shimrra Jamaane posted:

Will there even be a forum here to discuss season 3? And if so will anyone be left anyway?

ill follow up here when i finish it but ill also look at https://www.reddit.com/r/DarK/ too, it seems to be a decent subreddit and it was nice to follow along with their episode threads while i was watching the earlier seasons

Aumanor
Nov 9, 2012


Shimrra Jamaane posted:

Will there even be a forum here to discuss season 3? And if so will anyone be left anyway?

Well, looks like the forums might survive after all?

Evil Trout
Nov 15, 2004

Despite rumors to the contrary, I do not love cocks.

Was it ever explained how experimenting on kids makes a time machine? I donít quite understand why Noah and Helge were doing that and where they got the idea.

IShallRiseAgain
Sep 12, 2008

Well ain't that precious?



Aumanor posted:

Well, looks like the forums might survive after all?

The end is the beginning, and the beginning is the end.

Joust
Dec 7, 2007

No Ledges.


Evil Trout posted:

Was it ever explained how experimenting on kids makes a time machine? I donít quite understand why Noah and Helge were doing that and where they got the idea.

I don't think that's been quite explained yet (I'm rewatching at the moment) but it seems like part of it was they tested on the kids they kidnapped so that it would work by the time Noah sent child Helge back to the future. I assume the tech is going to be used later, but I dunno.

21 Hoot Salute
Feb 8, 2005

Night-time, turn around
Lonely is the city tonight
Night-time, all around
Lonely in the city tonight





I would be willing to travel 33 years in to the future just so I can be watching s3 right now.

OrthoTrot
Dec 10, 2006
Its either Trotsky or its Notsky

The chair machine was built to a design in the sic mundus lair, presumably drawn up by Adam. In so far as it has a purpose at this point it appears to be to return young Helge to 1953 after he is transported to 1986 by touching Jonas through the wormhole. As the portal is closed after his transportation I'm not sure he could get back otherwise. It doesn't seem to exist in 2019 anymore.

Clanpot Shake
Aug 10, 2006
shake shake!



I might be totally wrong on this but my read on the chair was that it was simply an earlier prototype of the suitcase time machine, and that Adam has been using the time cycles to recursively improve the technology, each iteration beginning from a more advanced baseline. I forget the exact words but something he says before sending Jonas back hints at this.

OrthoTrot
Dec 10, 2006
Its either Trotsky or its Notsky

Yeah, Stranger Jonas refers to the chair as the first time machine, but I can't see how it is. The Tannhaus device is built from 1953 onwards to the specs Claudia gives Tannhaus. And it's completed in November 1986 after Jonas brings the older version to Tannhaus to fix. Then it's used for the first time to close the wormhole.

The chair isn't successfully used until the summer timeline in 1987, when Noah sends Helge back to 1986. Maybe Jonas is including the failed usages on Mads, Erik, and Yasin?

And both are built to specs designed by Adam/Stranger in the early 20th century. Presumably based on knowledge from the notebook based on Claudia's tapes in the post apocalypse.

So working out which is the earlier version is a mess. I'm not sure what that would even mean, given the causality presented.

Capital Letdown
Oct 5, 2006
i still cant fix red text avs someone tell me the bbcode for that im an admin and dont know this lmao

Clanpot Shake posted:

I might be totally wrong on this but my read on the chair was that it was simply an earlier prototype of the suitcase time machine, and that Adam has been using the time cycles to recursively improve the technology, each iteration beginning from a more advanced baseline. I forget the exact words but something he says before sending Jonas back hints at this.

I get confused with that, cause if the iterations are slowly improved each cycle, why does the actual labour of building the chair time machine still need to happen? The suit case and the one in the Sic Mundus lair already exist right? Shouldn't the chair be obsolete?

Evil Trout
Nov 15, 2004

Despite rumors to the contrary, I do not love cocks.

Also if the point of the chair is to build a time machine to send Helge back to 1953, why can't he use whatever method Noah is using? Noah's popping back and forth all the time. He could easily escort Helge back without the terrifying chair that bursts your eardrums and burns your eyes.

OrthoTrot
Dec 10, 2006
Its either Trotsky or its Notsky

Evil Trout posted:

Also if the point of the chair is to build a time machine to send Helge back to 1953, why can't he use whatever method Noah is using? Noah's popping back and forth all the time. He could easily escort Helge back without the terrifying chair that bursts your eardrums and burns your eyes.

Yes. Presumably he's using the Tannhaus device at some point in its life cycle, because for the whole of season 2 the wormhole in the tunnel is closed I think.

I guess the purpose being to transport Helge back makes sense only from the point of view that this is a consequential action in the story. Mads, Erik, and Yasin travelling doesn't seem to affect anything. But without Helge going back to the 50s he can't grow to play his part in the 80s. And whilst he could go back via the device Adam and Noah know that he in fact did not.

Or it could be to do with whatever Adam means by "cycles". As yet unexplained. So far each event only happens once, even if the same character witnesses it multiple times over the course of their life. Maybe season 3 changes that.

Chadzok
Apr 25, 2002



Capital Letdown posted:

I get confused with that, cause if the iterations are slowly improved each cycle, why does the actual labour of building the chair time machine still need to happen? The suit case and the one in the Sic Mundus lair already exist right? Shouldn't the chair be obsolete?

The show, as presented so far, is a closed loop of causality. Completely deterministic. The only thing that says otherwise is Adam and he could just be lying for whatever reason.

I'm fascinated to see if, and how, they break the loop. If that is the way the universe "works", I don't understand how you could get a foot in the door, so to speak, because everything is always the same down to character motivations, the individual movements of atoms and the ordering of neurons firing in the brain.

It would take the appearance of a prime mover, no?

CeeJee
Dec 4, 2001


Oven Wrangler

First 2 minutes reaction:

Oh no, more new people. Please show, think of my brain.

dihaploidy
Oct 31, 2010




Buglord

After 1 episode, it was very interesting to see a world without Jonas, and thinking through just how the past has been different in this world leading to all of the altered relationships. Ulrich cheats on his partner in every world it seems.

Had to have a chuckle when I saw WŲller still has an as yet unexplained injury, just a different one from what we're used to.

Chef Boyardeez Nuts
Sep 9, 2011

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Speculation:
1. I'm guessing the scarman trio as Daniel Kaerwald, the last Kaerwald in the Jonasless timeline.
2. Jonas must have broken a loop somewhere because middle-aged Jonas wouldn't be thrown by Martha 2.


dihaploidy posted:

Had to have a chuckle when I saw Wöller still has an as yet unexplained injury, just a different one from what we're used to.

*close up on face*
awwww
*close up on torso*
ahhhhh


That was some fine comedy.

Tortilla Maker
Dec 13, 2005
Un Desmadre A Toda Madre


Chef Boyardeez Nuts posted:

Speculation:
1. I'm guessing the scarman trio as Daniel Kaerwald, the last Kaerwald in the Jonasless timeline.

Didn't remember Daniel Kaerwald at all aside from him being Ines' father. He was the Chief of Police and made a few minor (to me, at first watch) appearances in Season 1 finale and parts of Season 2.

Chef Boyardeez Nuts
Sep 9, 2011

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Tortilla Maker posted:

Didn't remember Daniel Kaerwald at all aside from him being Ines' father. He was the Chief of Police and made a few minor (to me, at first watch) appearances in Season 1 finale and parts of Season 2.

Oh right, well that might kill my theory. I forgot about him after a rewatch just. last. week.

Ulio
Feb 17, 2011



Ah still haven't started, just the trailer on the Netflix app. I have to attend a birthday and have some guests staying over the weekend so hopefully by Monday I can binge this.

Shimrra Jamaane
Aug 9, 2007

Aloy, Despite the Nora


Iíve finished 3 episodes and the convolution is starting to lightly irritate me.

Shimrra Jamaane fucked around with this message at 19:58 on Jun 27, 2020

Combat Pretzel
Jun 23, 2004

No, seriously... what kurds?!

So I'm just watching that montage at the end of episode 6, and...

...was the other world always mirrored geometrically, or was that just for the montage?

--edit: Indeed. Geez, I'm bad at watching TV.

Combat Pretzel fucked around with this message at 18:52 on Jun 27, 2020

a kitten
Aug 5, 2006



Fallen Rib

Episode 1 stuff:

Jonas, my dude, please wash your hands and face



I'm a tiny bit annoyed that the English subs didn't reflect () the flipped characters in the onscreen German text for the date.

e: Charlotte noooooo, aag

a kitten fucked around with this message at 18:57 on Jun 27, 2020

Combat Pretzel
Jun 23, 2004

No, seriously... what kurds?!

Oh hey, German Budget Bob Odenkirk.

Combat Pretzel
Jun 23, 2004

No, seriously... what kurds?!

Re: the end

Biggest spoiler ever...

THE gently caress IS WITH THAT GUY'S EYE?!?!? ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= =========

Shimrra Jamaane
Aug 9, 2007

Aloy, Despite the Nora


Only the Germans could make a show this loving miserable.

Zazz Razzamatazz
Apr 19, 2016

No hunks allowed, ya dangus

I didn't see this posted- someone on reddit made a family tree chart that shows the connections (that we know of so far) of the characters.

(spoilered just because)




I realized:
(season 2 spoilers)

Noah is Jonah's great-great uncle? His great-great grandma's brother?

Magnus is Franziska's distant cousin?

Helge is Noah's grandfather in law?

Combat Pretzel
Jun 23, 2004

No, seriously... what kurds?!

That chart hasn't been updated for season 3, it's missing a lot of (new) connections and tight loops.

Shimrra Jamaane
Aug 9, 2007

Aloy, Despite the Nora


I literally donít understand what just happened in episode 6.

Tortilla Maker
Dec 13, 2005
Un Desmadre A Toda Madre


Combat Pretzel posted:

Re: the end

Biggest spoiler ever...

THE gently caress IS WITH THAT GUY'S EYE?!?!? ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= =========

No kidding! Happy they kept that gag going through the very end.

Shimrra Jamaane
Aug 9, 2007

Aloy, Despite the Nora


Someone much smarter than me is going to have to lay out a point by point recap on how this was coherent.

I did tear up at the ending though.

BioThermo
Feb 18, 2014



I have no history of sleepwalking and went to bed completely sober last night with my feet pointing away from the window and I woke up this morning with my feet pointing towards the window and if that isn't weirdest loving headspace to be in when starting episode one I don't know what to tell you.

BioThermo
Feb 18, 2014



FIFTY FIVE MINUTES INTO THE SEVENTH EPISODE Is way to long to wait for them to get to the fireworks factory (aka grandma claudia showing up)

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muscles like this!
Jan 17, 2005



Had to laugh at the first episode where not only is Martha living in Jonas' bedroom she also has his jacket.

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