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Antivehicular posted:My (maybe uncharitable) theory about hockey fandom is that hockey is the US professional sport with the highest proportion of white players, and fandom is largely about making generic cute white boys kiss, so the whitest sport is going to get the most attention. Hockey is very much an Asian pastime. Ice-hockey is another sport entirely.
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Antivehicular posted:My (maybe uncharitable) theory about hockey fandom is that hockey is the US professional sport with the highest proportion of white players, and fandom is largely about making generic cute white boys kiss, so the whitest sport is going to get the most attention. 2 Goalies, 1 Stanley Cup 
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Pastry of the Year posted:So what media, leading to fandom, do you think breaks people most drastically and thoroughly? I thought of this post when I ran into that Hamilton fan art that’s all... you know the one I’m talking about, and if you don’t, you’re better off not knowing. I think the fandoms of media that involve real people/historical figures do it the worst. The dissonance between their interpretations of the people and the documented facts seem to shatter their brains entirely and they get weeeeird with it.
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Yeah, fanfic based on real people can go into some straaaange places. There's a tone of "treat real people like Barbies you're making kiss" in the culture there (generally justified by the logic that they're writing about the celebrity personae of the people involved, which are practically fictional characters, right guys?!), which intersects with existing celebrity-gawking culture / parasocial attachment to celebrities in incredibly uncomfortable ways. You get a lot of people who treat speculation on real people's private lives like stupid fanfiction, including conspiracy theorists who are convinced that tons of subliminal signals indicate that their fantasies of two generic dude celebrities making out are ~true~ and ~being suppressed by the studios!~ Google "supernatural tinhat" if you want to fall down a really deep hole of nonsense.
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Ugly In The Morning posted:I thought of this post when I ran into that Hamilton fan art that’s all... you know the one I’m talking about, and if you don’t, you’re better off not knowing. I think the fandoms of media that involve real people/historical figures do it the worst. The dissonance between their interpretations of the people and the documented facts seem to shatter their brains entirely and they get weeeeird with it. 
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Bomrek posted:Jon Bois works hard on his output and it shows; i can never get enough of that guy. I actively dislike and do not understand football and yet I have watched/read a TON of football content from Jon Bois.
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İf you are willing to count it as sports, pro wrestling has all sorts of fandom stuff going on
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Antivehicular posted:You get a lot of people who treat speculation on real people's private lives like stupid fanfiction, including conspiracy theorists who are convinced that tons of subliminal signals indicate that their fantasies of two generic dude celebrities making out are ~true~ and ~being suppressed by the studios!~ Google "supernatural tinhat" if you want to fall down a really deep hole of nonsense. I didn't know Supernatural fans had inherited the term "tinhat". AFAIK, it began in the Lord of the Rings film fandom, specifically, I think, the Elijah Woods/Dominic Monaghan pairing. (coupling?) Here's a literally dead fandom, sort of: http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/001424.html - a kids' magazine from the mid-19th century.
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Bomrek posted:İf you are willing to count it as sports, pro wrestling has all sorts of fandom stuff going on isn't pro wrestling just fandom + athleticism anyway?
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How many of the basketball ones are written by the SAS NBA thread during the month in like 2009 when we thought writing NBA fanfics was funny (I mean it definitely was although the mods did not agree)?
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FFT posted:isn't pro wrestling just fandom + athleticism anyway? Pro wrestling is acting that’s 100% stunts.
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Wrestling is to sport what a clown car falling apart is to motor racing.
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Sweevo posted:Wrestling is to sport what a clown car falling apart is to motor racing. Much more fun to watch?
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Bomrek posted:İf you are willing to count it as sports, pro wrestling has all sorts of fandom stuff going on i wouldn't call wrestling a dead/dying fandom tho, unless we're thinking something specific like hulk hogan fans in that case, fans like that have certainly been taking a beating for the past few years
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hard counter posted:i wouldn't call wrestling a dead/dying fandom tho, unless we're thinking something specific like hulk hogan fans Also there should be some formula for the death of fandom, quantity of porn produced asymptotically approaches zero in all cases but i want to graph that curve.
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Wrestling is Anime but with real people
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Going back in the thread some, but someone mentioned Megatokyo. Which is just one of the many webcomics that you are reminded of and think "what, that was huge in the day and it's still going? and people are still following?" * Sluggy Freelance: still going after 22 years and has apparently taken a turn for the dramatic, which is odd for a strip that leans heavily on a single joke about a killer rabbit. * Goats: another goofy strip that veered heavily into the dramatic. Ended in 2010 but still trying to fulfil a Kickstarter originally promised for 2012 ... * Schlock Mercenary: still going after 20 years. But somehow I don't begrudge it - SM is exactly what it always was * User Friendly: always awful. And I now find it's been rerunning strips since 2009. * Kevin and Kell: bland vote comic, still running after 25 years * Help Desk: technically still running after 25 years but actually down to a strip a year and 38 supporters on Patreon * PvP: 22 years. Still the same. Won an Eisner in 2010.
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nonathlon posted:Going back in the thread some, but someone mentioned Megatokyo. Which is just one of the many webcomics that you are reminded of and think "what, that was huge in the day and it's still going? and people are still following?" I've been reading Sluggy Freelance since the beginning and yeah, the writer takes it a lot more seriously these days. The killer switchblade rabbit rabbit rarely appears anymore; there are a number of supporting characters that have gotten shuffled off over the last several years and the writer generally does stories featuring two or three characters at a time now. It seems like he can't handle the entire cast all at once anymore. The writer for User Friendly hilariously got busted plagiarizing MetaFilter comments for punchlines a few months before he stopped publishing new comics in 2009.
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nonathlon posted:Going back in the thread some, but someone mentioned Megatokyo. Which is just one of the many webcomics that you are reminded of and think "what, that was huge in the day and it's still going? and people are still following?" I remember this being one of, if not the very first non-sprite/gamer webcomic I ever discovered back in the day, same generation as Bob & George and 8-Bit Theater. Pretty sure this is one where the audience is totally incidental and if the whole internet shut down he'd happily keep drawing it for just himself. Also it's relatively "hard" sci-fi based on consistent physics and without fail "advanced technology" is denoted with the visual shorthand of yellow orbs of various sizes stuck on things—it's like how back when I was a kid playing with LEGO we would symbolize something being able to shoot lasers by sticking a translucent neon green piece on it. Honestly it's kind of sad knowing that the internet environment has changed to the extent where weird idiosyncratic personal projects with unshakably lovely art most likely wouldn't have anywhere near the longevity if started today.
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HookedOnChthonics posted:Honestly it's kind of sad knowing that the internet environment has changed to the extent where weird idiosyncratic personal projects with unshakably lovely art most likely wouldn't have anywhere near the longevity if started today. http://thorsbysprojects.thecomicseries.com/Mycomics/
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Schlock Mercenary is actually announced to be in its final arc, and while the author's still interested in doing stuff in the universe they're ready to close the chapter on the comic in particular. It even had a spinoff tabletop RPG, Planet Mercenary, though I haven't heard if it's good. The art and writing has noticeably improved over the years, though they clearly stuck to a fairly crude art style- it's one of the very old school webcomics that's consciously aping newspaper comics, with daily strips and an extra large one on Sunday. I think a few back in the day even had ambitions to get published in newspapers, though generally realised that newspapers have no interest in anything that appeals to anyone over 12 and under 50.
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That reminds me of Erfworld, which I haven't thought of in many years. I remember it had quite a following but somehow decided to switch to mostly text updates (but not actual text, but in image form, so even worse) and then just vanished from public consciousness. I haven't seen anyone even mention it since.
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Antigravitas posted:That reminds me of Erfworld, which I haven't thought of in many years. I remember it had quite a following but somehow decided to switch to mostly text updates (but not actual text, but in image form, so even worse) and then just vanished from public consciousness. I haven't seen anyone even mention it since. If I recall correctly, Erfworld was ended very abruptly (like, "website shut down completely" ended) because of a family tragedy for the creators -- I don't remember the details well, and am not sure I ever knew the whole story, but something legitimately pretty terrible happened and they just shut the thing down out of a desire for privacy.
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Antigravitas posted:That reminds me of Erfworld, which I haven't thought of in many years. I remember it had quite a following but somehow decided to switch to mostly text updates (but not actual text, but in image form, so even worse) and then just vanished from public consciousness. I haven't seen anyone even mention it since. Was that the one where someone from the "real world" was really good at some game and got magically stuck inside the universe of that game and used their knowledge of its rules to basically take over the world? Or something like that? If it's the one I'm thinking of, I read it right up till it went to text form and then immediately lost all interest in it.
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Tiggum posted:Was that the one where someone from the "real world" was really good at some game and got magically stuck inside the universe of that game and used their knowledge of its rules to basically take over the world? Or something like that? That's basically an entire genre you're describing, though the setup is more that an extremely skilled wargamer is summoned into a wargame universe explicitly for the purpose of taking over the world. And things get complicated because he's not the only one using all kinds of magic bullshit.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:That's basically an entire genre you're describing, though the setup is more that an extremely skilled wargamer is summoned into a wargame universe explicitly for the purpose of taking over the world. And things get complicated because he's not the only one using all kinds of magic bullshit. Right, Erfworld managed to do something novel and entertaining with the setting. Like the world didn't make sense like a lot of RPG worlds don't make sense and the hero was good at exploring rule loopholes. I recall that the move to mostly text then all text was because he lost the artist, then later thought he'd do it in 3D models. Some details leaked out about "family tragedy" that ended the strip and it was a real mess, poor guy. (I won't repeat it here, you can google for it if you like, but it's not fun.)
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nonathlon posted:Right, Erfworld managed to do something novel and entertaining with the setting. Like the world didn't make sense like a lot of RPG worlds don't make sense and the hero was good at exploring rule loopholes. I googled cause I vaguely remember that webcomic but forgot it existed for years. I can see why the creator is traumatized, but the victim blaming is upsetting.
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Telemaze posted:I googled cause I vaguely remember that webcomic but forgot it existed for years. I can see why the creator is traumatized, but the victim blaming is upsetting. Uh, wow. I definitely hadn't heard the whole story, and yeah, that victim blaming is gross as hell. (For those who don't want to Google it: the part of the story I'd heard was that the creators' son had committed suicide. What I hadn't heard is that this is because he got arrested for molestation of a young teenager, and the Erfworld creator's statement is focused on blaming the teenager for the whole thing.)
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Given that one of the few things that sticks in my head about that comic is "pretty weird representation of women, on the whole"... yikes. Unrelatedly, what's the Order of the Stick guy up to recently?
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HookedOnChthonics posted:Unrelatedly, what's the Order of the Stick guy up to recently? Order of the Stick is still updating regularly and it's been really good the last couple... years, by now.
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Thanks for the legit longpost on the Homestuck. Weird that you can't recapture it, but I guess it's appropriate to how the web is a constantly moving stream. gently caress I might have to look into it this summer. As for webcomics... Wapsi Square is still a thing? And the guy doing It's Walky/Roomies has a 3rd spin-off going with the characters...
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Order of the Stick got awfully talky, with more dialog than pictures, which was when I bailed. Seems like that's one of the two remastered endstates for webcomics: - a novel, written in the dialog - a very serious drama FilthyImp posted:As for webcomics... Wapsi Square is still a thing? And the guy doing It's Walky/Roomies has a 3rd spin-off going with the characters... The Walky guy seems doomed to keep rebooting the same set of characters. Wapsi is a good example: a decade on, a joke comic that's descended into lengthy drama, "empowerment" and explorations of the problems of having large breasts.
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nonathlon posted:The Walky guy seems doomed to keep rebooting the same set of characters.
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FilthyImp posted:Thanks for the legit longpost on the Homestuck. This is what we have come to 
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FilthyImp posted:I gove Willis a lot of credit because he turned his college comedrama into a sci-fi action epic, into a way for him to clown on his fandom and collectibles hobby, back into a college dramady with inclusion of queer characters. That is an efficient way to cover so much of the webcomic spectrum.
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MS Paint Masterpieces has updated a couple times in the past week, meaning that the bob and george fancomic consortium is technically still alive. Of course B&Gs mods basically killed the entire fandom deliberately by deleting large swaths of the forums, including most of the pixel art stuff
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Ghost Leviathan posted:That is an efficient way to cover so much of the webcomic spectrum. Meanwhile Piro just had a bad day so he can't pick up a pencil for at least a week and the Boyz in Megatokyo just finished their second weekend in Japan despite the comic running since like 1998.
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