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A Real Horse
Oct 26, 2013


I have really been enjoying this thread. I read these shortly after the last one came out, and it turns out they suck just as much now as they did on release. I didn't outright hate the first one, but the rest...

And for those of you who haven't read the books and are waiting for things to get even worse on every conceivable level, loving strap in.

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A Real Horse
Oct 26, 2013


I am incredibly excited for this. Thank you for suffering for our enjoyment in these dark times.

A Real Horse
Oct 26, 2013


Dienes posted:

Leah and Rosalie start out antagonizing each other, only to find they have a lot of shared trauma from abusive previous relationships and their own infertility. They bond and become a support system for each other, and eventually enter a romance even more star-crossed than Bella and Edward's.

oh god what have i become

A more exciting author than Stephanie Meyer.

A Real Horse
Oct 26, 2013


HIJK posted:

What was really hosed up was that it was the older fans interjecting this information in the same discussions that teens were having. So my high school friend would call me even weeks after the Breaking Dawn debacle (she was one of the people who returned their novel. There was an epidemic of fans returning their books or giving them to secondhand stores. For a hot minute you found Breaking Dawn next to Laurell K Hamilton.) to complain that the adult fans were inserting their sexual fantasies into teen spaces.

That's where you find out about the icicle dildos, the EL James style porn, the weird roleplay these women kept roping their husbands and boyfriends into. (That was its own thing, a lot of marriages broke up because supposedly some people wanted their husbands to be more like Edward...or their wives to be more like Bella.) The teen fandom got really really mad, as you might expect, they hated seeing porn pics being posted (apparently there was a nightmarish post where a soccer mom internally injured herself with an ice dildo...I'm just glad I didn't see any of the photos but apparently it was a murder scene) from adults, it was a poo poo show.

It's important to keep in mind that I got all of this secondhand so who knows how much of it is true but there were confirmation posts everywhere on LiveJournal and my bestie confirmed they were all true, tabloid websites also reported on them.

This is absolutely horrifying. Just.... every aspect of this is awful.

A Real Horse
Oct 26, 2013


HIJK posted:

Earlier in the thread I talked about how it wasn't really fair to talk about Meyer's mental state but now I think I was wrong on that front. I didn't know the pedophilia in Breaking Dawn was so upfront and stark.

But no, you see, it's good and pure and innocent. Jacob just is absolutely obsessed with the infant/toddler/small child, but it's because he's such a good protector for her!

And sure, eventually it will be a romantic relationship. And she apparently gets absolutely zero say in the matter because why would she want to when he is so good and loyal and just really, passionately loves her.

Yeah, it's super upfront and gross on every level.

"Fun" story: Around the time this book came out, I went out to dinner with some coworkers. A coworker who had just had her first baby surprised us by meeting us at the restaurant with her infant daughter. Eventually she sat across the table from me, and the baby just stared at me. No idea why, maybe because I was the first person she had been close to who had glasses, or maybe just because she was a baby and who knows how their minds work? Anyway, after about an hour or so, the mom gets my attention and says "I think she's imprinted on you, like in Twilight! She hasn't stopped staring at you!" I just kind of smiled and looked away because how do you respond to that? Thankfully she never mentioned it again, I think she could tell it made me pretty uncomfortable.

A Real Horse
Oct 26, 2013


chitoryu12 posted:

It sucks that Rowling had to go mask-off so hard because I had thoughts of eventually doing a Harry Potter thread, where we would approach with full spoiler freedom and try to figure out if the books held up and if there was legitimate foreshadowing and character arcs planned out for years. Unfortunately, I think any attempt at that is tainted now.

That's a shame, because I think that this would be incredibly interesting. But yeah, any attempt now feels like it's doomed to become about Rowling being a shithead and not stay on topic.

A Real Horse
Oct 26, 2013


Inspector Gesicht posted:

That sure is a lot of new characters to be dropping in in the last act.

I’m sure it will all be worth it and there will be an immensely satisfying conclusion. A writer of Meyer’s caliber could do no less surely.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

A Real Horse
Oct 26, 2013


After four books and the start of this one, I’m starting get the crazy idea that Stephanie Meyer might just be a hack.

A Real Horse
Oct 26, 2013


chitoryu12 posted:

In Rosalie's really good scene from the new text, this gets retconned. It turns out as much as Rose wants her humanity back, she's insecure that if she lost her supernaturally enhanced beauty that Emmett would reject her.

Of loving course.

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A Real Horse
Oct 26, 2013


You’re a champion for suffering through this for our entertainment.

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