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Motronic
Nov 6, 2009


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Grimey Drawer

mcgreenvegtables posted:

Spread seems easier for me because I have a pretty small lawn and an appropriately sized spreader, but just a tiny hand sprayer I use to spraying my foundation for carpenter ants. If it was a serious advantage to spraying I might go buy something better, but I'd rather not be walking around my ~2500sqft or turf waving a tiny little wand with a 6" pattern.

Yeah, definitely just go with the spreadable stuff. Hopefully you won't need a spray application of something like Surge....maybe soil correction, seeding and feeding will do it.

mcgreenvegtables posted:

I paid someone last year. It was super cheap and convenient, but they came and blasted my lawn with who knows what nonsense mix of fertilizer and weed killer on a monthly basis. If I could find a company to actually base my program on soil tests and not come every month (seems excessive), I'd sign up for sure.

Funny about the nitrogen though, I imagine that is what the fertilizer service was dumping way too much of on my lawn monthly. Curious to see what the results come back with.

Yeah, most of those places are pretty much nitrogen and something like surge (2,4-D, Dicambra, probably something else) and typically over-apply. I also see them out at the wrong times of the year as well as not enough in the fall when it's time for the big nitrogen push. Remember, something has to take up the nitrogen for it to actually get into your soil, and a lot of times their application methods leave a LOT to be desired. I'm using a liquid nitrogen that has both fast and slow release to give me a better chance at getting the maximum impact with minimum waste, and I'm also doing at least 3 applications 10-14 days apart for the fall nitro push.

FYI, clover is the classic sign of not enough nitrogen in turfgrass areas, which is why I latched onto that. What actually matters is what your soil tests come back with.

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PageMaster
Nov 4, 2009


Not sure if this is the right thread but it's the closest I could find for a 'tree thread(though it was a toss-up between this and the horticulture thread).

We just closed on a house and area messing around with the exterior landscaping. Outside has 2 large trees growing up against the roof and with some aggressive roots approaching the sidewalk.



I'm trying to decide what to do with them based on our location and how safe they are. I have no idea what kind of trees these are, but we appear to be the only house with them in the neighborhood (everyone else had palm trees)

Pros:

-they provide good shade for southern California which keeps the house and yard cool.

- leaving them in is free

Cons:

-Aggressive roots, which I believe if I cut them the tree will die

- need to be trimmed back 10' from house, which may also kill them

- extend over to neighbors roof which could be a liability concern

- look like they can just fall over since thin and branching trunk look unnatural to me (but may be normal).

- could be a fire risk (we're in a wildfire hazard area) depending on how flammable this type of tree is.

I can't think of any other strong enough reasons to keep them, so wondering if there's anything decorative of functional u can do with them if I cut them down to a stump, or if that doesn't solve my root problem and will just grow back in 30 years. Additionally, is tree removing some type of licensed specialty, or do I just go with random tree remover company found on Google or yelp?

PageMaster fucked around with this message at 23:14 on Apr 1, 2021

Leon Sumbitches
Mar 27, 2010

Dr. Leon Adoso Sumbitches (prounounced soom-'beh-cheh) (born January 21, 1935) is heir to the legendary Adoso family oil fortune.







Buglord

PageMaster posted:

Not sure if this is the right thread but it's the closest I could find for a 'tree thread(though it was a toss-up between this and the horticulture thread).

We just closed on a house and area messing around with the exterior landscaping. Outside has 2 large trees growing up against the roof and with some aggressive roots approaching the sidewalk.



I'm trying to decide what to do with them based on our location and how safe they are. I have no idea what kind of trees these are, but we appear to be the only house with them in the neighborhood (everyone else had palm trees)

Pros:

-they provide good shade for southern California which keeps the house and yard cool.

- leaving them in is free

Cons:

-Aggressive roots, which I believe if I cut them the tree will die

- need to be trimmed back 10' from house, which may also kill them

- extend over to neighbors roof which could be a liability concern

- look like they can just fall over since thin and branching trunk look unnatural to me (but may be normal).

- could be a fire risk (we're in a wildfire hazard area) depending on how flammable this type of tree is.

I can't think of any other strong enough reasons to keep them, so wondering if there's anything decorative of functional u can do with them if I cut them down to a stump, or if that doesn't solve my root problem and will just grow back in 30 years. Additionally, is tree removing some type of licensed specialty, or do I just go with random tree remover company found on Google or yelp?

Hi, I'm a licensed landscape architect in NY, so can speak somewhat about this. I'm not licensed in CA, someone with better regional knowledge would be useful to consult.

I'm reluctant to take out mature healthy trees. They provide very valuable ecosystem services, not to mention nice shade in the heat. Only with good reason should a healthy tree be removed, so let's look at yours to see what we think, shall we?

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Aggressive roots, which I believe if I cut them the tree will die.

Yes. Don't cut tree roots.

What about the roots seem aggressive? Is the concrete cracked or heaving, or is there otherwise damage being caused by the roots? The retaining wall in your second image looks to be sturdy, as does the fence behind--is there any visible damage?

quote:

- need to be trimmed back 10' from house, which may also kill them

I'm much friendlier to the idea of having a professional prune limbs vs doing anything to roots. Limbing back trees, in my experience, is fine and promotes growth in other locations.

quote:

- extend over to neighbors roof which could be a liability concern

See above--cutting limbs isn't a death sentence.

quote:

Look like they can just fall over since thin and branching trunk look unnatural to me (but may be normal).

These seem to be healthy and strong trees based on what you showed us. You could hire an arborist to do an evaluation, but they've survived this long (likely decades) without issues.


quote:

- could be a fire risk (we're in a wildfire hazard area) depending on how flammable this type of tree is.

This is a real concern. How far from the house are they? Is there other plant material between the tree and the house? Typically you want a buffer of non-flammable materials X-feet from your home, CA goons could be more specific as to how wide this should be.

I think they're really nice looking and you should keep them, personally, and getting anything that big and lush takes a lot of time--especially in a dryer climate. Let me know if you have any other questions, happy to talk more.

Leon Sumbitches fucked around with this message at 00:05 on Apr 2, 2021

Fitzy Fitz
May 14, 2005






To add to your pros list:

Mature trees take decades to grow, so they aren't replaceable

They're very pretty

They have monetary value

They contribute to the local ecosystem by providing habitat for wildlife, shade, lower temperatures, etc. (Each tree is marginal, but we're constantly losing trees at a large scale)

PageMaster
Nov 4, 2009


Leon Sumbitches posted:

Hi, I'm a licensed landscape architect in NY, so can speak somewhat about this. I'm not licensed in CA, someone with better regional knowledge would be useful to consult.

I'm reluctant to take out mature healthy trees. They provide very valuable ecosystem services, not to mention nice shade in the heat. Only with good reason should a healthy tree be removed, so let's look at yours to see what we think, shall we?


Yes. Don't cut tree roots.

What about the roots seem aggressive? Is the concrete cracked or heaving, or is there otherwise damage being caused by the roots? The retaining wall in your second image looks to be sturdy, as does the fence behind--is there any visible damage?


I'm much friendlier to the idea of having a professional prune limbs vs doing anything to roots. Limbing back trees, in my experience, is fine and promotes growth in other locations.


See above--cutting limbs isn't a death sentence.


These seem to be healthy and strong trees based on what you showed us. You could hire an arborist to do an evaluation, but they've survived this long (likely decades) without issues.


This is a real concern. How far from the house are they? Is there other plant material between the tree and the house? Typically you want a buffer of non-flammable materials X-feet from your home, CA goons could be more specific as to how wide this should be.

I think they're really nice looking and you should keep them, personally, and getting anything that big and lush takes a lot of time--especially in a dryer climate. Let me know if you have any other questions, happy to talk more.

Thanks! This was super helpful and a little reassuring for now while we get over the initial closing rush and buyers remorse.

There are some pretty lengthy runs/sections of roots above grade (maybe 3 to 5 feet here or there) and some parts butting up against the edge of pavement above ground, though I have no other proof of problems and they could be running deeper than the home foundation with no issues. Not sure how to remove the tripping hazard of roots above ground without killing the trees.

Google told me that significant pruning of the tree could shock and kill it, so it's good to hear from someone who probably knows better that it might be ok; this also clears an opening so I can install solar on the roof. A pretty large chunk of the tree would need to be pruned to get the 10' from the house, and I haven't met the neighbors yet but I guess technically the trimming on their side of the property line is their decision to make (though I would still be concerned about damage or fire potential from my tree impacting them).

As for me, two insurance companies have denied me coverage just because the tree is there as a fire risk, but I'm not sure it's as simple as that; I think tree health would probably matter (such as of it's dying or super dry), so I think an arborist is probably a great idea (assuming that's the right specialty) to tell us what kind of tree it is and it's propensity of catching fire. Parts of the tree practically rest on our roof, and I'd guess maybe 15' from the trunk to the nearest exposed wood awning of the house. There's a lot of bushes and shrubs between the two and also up against the house that we are going to just get rid of. Hopefully an arborist would also be able to tell us how to take care of it as well since no one else in the neighborhood has one like this(or this big) so I'm worried it's not native or the best fit for the region. Hopefully not a eucalyptus tree, apparently they're invasive in CA and also high fire risk.






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PageMaster fucked around with this message at 04:55 on Apr 2, 2021

Leon Sumbitches
Mar 27, 2010

Dr. Leon Adoso Sumbitches (prounounced soom-'beh-cheh) (born January 21, 1935) is heir to the legendary Adoso family oil fortune.







Buglord

PageMaster posted:

Thanks! This was super helpful and a little reassuring for now while we get over the initial closing rush and buyers remorse.

There are some pretty lengthy runs/sections of roots above grade (maybe 3 to 5 feet here or there) and some parts butting up against the edge of pavement above ground, though I have no other proof of problems and they could be running deeper than the home foundation with no issues. Not sure how to remove the tripping hazard of roots above ground without killing the trees.

Google told me that significant pruning of the tree could shock and kill it, so it's good to hear from someone who probably knows better that it might be ok; this also clears an opening so I can install solar on the roof. A pretty large chunk of the tree would need to be pruned to get the 10' from the house, and I haven't met the neighbors yet but I guess technically the trimming on their side of the property line is their decision to make (though I would still be concerned about damage or fire potential from my tree impacting them).

As for me, two insurance companies have denied me coverage just because the tree is there as a fire risk, but I'm not sure it's as simple as that; I think tree health would probably matter (such as of it's dying or super dry), so I think an arborist is probably a great idea (assuming that's the right specialty) to tell us what kind of tree it is and it's propensity of catching fire. Parts of the tree practically rest on our roof, and I'd guess maybe 15' from the trunk to the nearest exposed wood awning of the house. There's a lot of bushes and shrubs between the two and also up against the house that we are going to just get rid of. Hopefully an arborist would also be able to tell us how to take care of it as well since no one else in the neighborhood has one like this(or this big) so I'm worried it's not native or the best fit for the region. Hopefully not a eucalyptus tree, apparently they're invasive in CA and also high fire risk.






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I think finding a licensed arborist to do tree evaluation is your next step--they'll be able to evaluate tree condition, potential areas of concern, and next steps. I would also use a licensed and bonded arborist for removal if you go that route, as the tree is so close to your house.

wesleywillis
Dec 30, 2016

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I don't know how much of a pain it would be but couldn't you dump a bunch of topsoil over the roots, make it somewhat level and then sod, or grass seed?

Leon Sumbitches
Mar 27, 2010

Dr. Leon Adoso Sumbitches (prounounced soom-'beh-cheh) (born January 21, 1935) is heir to the legendary Adoso family oil fortune.







Buglord

I'm speculating the trees are in the Ficus family, known for their prodigious root systems, in which case my advice is to consider removal before they can damage your foundation and sidewalk.

PageMaster
Nov 4, 2009


Leon Sumbitches posted:

I'm speculating the trees are in the Ficus family, known for their prodigious root systems, in which case my advice is to consider removal before they can damage your foundation and sidewalk.

Haven't talked to an arborist yet but the landscaper the previous owners used called them ficus trees as well. We still need to talk to an arborist but it's not looking promising for avoiding my and neighbor damage. We'll see what they say, though. In better news they're apparently pretty fire resistant.

wooger
Apr 16, 2005

YOU RESENT?

I have a used greenhouse Iím planning to put up, but due to some poor planning the old patio Iím going put it on is ~8 inches too narrow for the base.

Whatís the easiest way to extend it by that sort of distance? Iím thinking a sleeper on a base of compacted road base or concrete.

I donít have a circular saw for cutting down slabs, and donít need one for anything else right now, so if I can do it without thatís better.

Appearance not too important as itíll be covered by a greenhouse.

wooger fucked around with this message at 08:06 on Apr 6, 2021

FogHelmut
Dec 18, 2003

Your authority is not recognized in Fort Kickass.


Ficus trees will lift up your whole house with their roots and you will eventually have a tree house. They're incredibly invasive and pervasive, especially if your sewer pipe runs through there. That tree looks pretty big though, not sure how much more the roots will grow, but I am not a tree expert.

cakesmith handyman
Jul 22, 2007

Pip-Pip old chap! Last one in is a rotten egg what what.



wooger posted:

I have a used greenhouse I’m planning to put up, but due to some poor planning the old patio I’m going put it on is ~8 inches too narrow for the base.

What’s the easiest way to extend it by that sort of distance? I’m thinking a sleeper on a base of compacted road base or concrete.

I don’t have a circular saw for cutting down slabs, and don’t need one for anything else right now, so if I can do it without that’s better.

Appearance not too important as it’ll be covered by a greenhouse.

Chisel a grove roughly where you want to cut the slab, then break it carefully into 5 randomly shaped pieces and wedge the pieces wherever.

Darchangel
Feb 12, 2009

Tell him about the blower!




cakesmith handyman posted:

Chisel a grove roughly where you want to cut the slab, then break it carefully into 5 randomly shaped pieces and wedge the pieces wherever.

Geeze, at least pretend thatís not what will happen, even if it actually is.

tater_salad
Sep 15, 2007




Currently going back and forth on doing pavers vs stamped concrete.


Cost is going to be about the same but it will be diy on the pavers and pay a guy on the concrete. I removed a deck that had lots of rotting due to ground contact so I would need to dig about another 6ish inches down.


Concerns are how long concrete will last without needing replacement vs pavers being a bit more 'flexible'. I live in the northeast in an area that gets all the weather. 80-90 degree summer and 30-below zero winters with all the moisture and rain one could want in the spring and fall or summer or maybe it's a drought who the gently caress knows.

Pros for concrete: I don't have to lay a finger.
About the same cost as pavers..
Can probably remove other deck(slightly less lovely but still decked with 2x4s because PO) and get that space utilized / make yard bigger with less of a hassle

Concern / con: cracking and looking like poo poo in the next 10 years. Shiny surface. Hotter?

Pros for pavers: possibly look better, more 'flexible' but stuck with more of a square feeling. Still going to have to redo the base and poo poo every 10 years kuz of climate in 10 years I'm fuckin laying someone to do it I ain't doing it when I'm 50)

Cons for pavers: doing it myself or spending an rear end load of money in Labor.
Will end up keeping the second deck and properly re decking next year.

devicenull
May 30, 2007



Grimey Drawer

tater_salad posted:

Currently going back and forth on doing pavers vs stamped concrete.


Cost is going to be about the same but it will be diy on the pavers and pay a guy on the concrete. I removed a deck that had lots of rotting due to ground contact so I would need to dig about another 6ish inches down.


Concerns are how long concrete will last without needing replacement vs pavers being a bit more 'flexible'. I live in the northeast in an area that gets all the weather. 80-90 degree summer and 30-below zero winters with all the moisture and rain one could want in the spring and fall or summer or maybe it's a drought who the gently caress knows.

Pros for concrete: I don't have to lay a finger.
About the same cost as pavers..
Can probably remove other deck(slightly less lovely but still decked with 2x4s because PO) and get that space utilized / make yard bigger with less of a hassle

Concern / con: cracking and looking like poo poo in the next 10 years. Shiny surface. Hotter?

Pros for pavers: possibly look better, more 'flexible' but stuck with more of a square feeling. Still going to have to redo the base and poo poo every 10 years kuz of climate in 10 years I'm fuckin laying someone to do it I ain't doing it when I'm 50)

Cons for pavers: doing it myself or spending an rear end load of money in Labor.
Will end up keeping the second deck and properly re decking next year.

I'd do stamped concrete, maybe with some pigment if you're worried about color (although I don't understand how a brushed concrete finish is shiny). If the control joints are done right, you shouldn't really see cracking in 10 years.

I'd probably do something like this after it's cured: https://ghostshield.com/product/8500

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tater_salad
Sep 15, 2007




devicenull posted:

I'd do stamped concrete, maybe with some pigment if you're worried about color (although I don't understand how a brushed concrete finish is shiny). If the control joints are done right, you shouldn't really see cracking in 10 years.

I'd probably do something like this after it's cured: https://ghostshield.com/product/8500

I think most of the "it's too shiiiiny" comes form people using glossy rear end sealer or something i dunno it's one of the things that I saw on the ole interwebs.

Mostly what I was reading on one side or the other was coming from people who were installing one of the other.

I have no issue with 10 years of longevity, if I can't come up with another 2 grand to redo the backyard at that point I failed at life.

tater_salad fucked around with this message at 01:27 on Apr 8, 2021

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