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Martian posted:https://twitter.com/HeidiStevens13/status/1152358901813325824?s=19 TulliusCicero posted:I don't who that writer is, but for a dude in the 60s he owns pretty fuckin hard https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sydney_J._Harris From reading some of his work it appears he had classical rhetoric training.
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:Why does everyone hate the PR govenor a one-two punch of 1. what appears to be massive diversion of federal reconstruction funds for PR (limited though they were) 2. Chat app transcripts were leaked where he was both a massive bigot and directly mocked poor people in PR, at length.
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:yowza A lot of that's going to be in details of funding and recovery systems I don't have access to, but by most accounts, the federal aid (however much or little) that went to external contractors directly was no more mismanagaed or abused than usual; the projects that passed through the governor's office all seem not to have gone anywhere. I've not followed the specific allegations in enough detail; here's what I've got. General thousand-mile view: Puerto Rico has many of the obligations of a state and almost none of the support. For example, it has an intrastate highway system originally appropriated from federal funds, but PR is not included in federal highway upkeep funding unless the (zero leverage) PR reps in DC can persuade congress to specifically provision for them. The same is true of basically every other government service. After decades of neglect via this setup, the island has severe crime and corruption problems in both parties, along with a lot of system dysfunction, addiction, poverty, the works. It's been that way for generations. The governor is part of NPP, which is the pro-statehood party. The Mayor of San Juan, Carmen Yulín Cruz, is from PDP, the anti-statehood status-quo party. (Without getting into the details, PR is set up in such a way that the San Juan mayor and governor are almost always at odds and in conflict- the san juan mayor has almost as much power as the governor because it's where almost all the money is) "Island politics" are weird; these parties do not align with the Dems or the Republicans. For instance, Catholicism is a major element in both parties. Both parties are also pretty dang corrupt-way beyond how things operate stateside. Cruz is likely supporting a substantial amount of the protesting, but is not going to be puppeteer it; she doesn't have that level of pull. A complication is that there's basically no one waiting in the wings to assume the governor position. NPP has already disavowed the governor. Here's the general Vox explainer. Here's some details of the text messages. Aa lot of them are context-dependent. Here's what the article mentions: quote:Former New York City Council speaker Melissa Mark-Viverito I probably don't need to tell you that that last one is...yeah. Again, these are just the first ones people noticed. There are a lot more, especially mocking poor homeless people after the hurricane. As someone born in San Juan who was doing reconstruction work after the hurricane, I can't begin to tell you how pissed off this makes me. Here's the vox explainer on the corruption. This is less remarkable- two of his cabinet members redirected about $15 million of reconstruction funding to businesses they knew. This is horrible, of course, but it's probably peanuts compared to the scale of abuse happening on the island since Maria. edit: Lucania covers a fair amount of stuff I missed- I've not been looking at this in detail until you asked. Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 01:05 on Jul 22, 2019 |
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Here's a Puerto Rico Politics Primer from shortly after Maria https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3851537&pagenumber=699&perpage=40#post482881882
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DC Murderverse posted:i think "i'm a democrat" needs a big ol' citation because literally every other word out of this dude's mouth sounds exactly like what a chud would say. He works at Quillette, which exists to fraudulently promote pseudointellectual, insane or right wing poo poo at a pseudo-left audience. Horseshoe theory in action.
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Don't bury the lead lede 
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Rent-A-Cop posted:Conservative men pretend to be liberal women, while liberal women pretend to be Black teenagers. Fear of the other outside understanding or control.
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Washington Post is publicizing a bunch of opioid manufacturer/distributor documents they were able to pull from court filings.quote:In an email exchange from January 2009, Victor Borelli, a national account manager for Mallinckrodt, told Steve Cochrane, a vice president for KeySource Medical, that 1,200 bottles of oxycodone 30 mg tablets had been shipped. https://twitter.com/discendo_vox/status/1153848391018995713 There's a lot more, and it makes the above look pleasant. edit: sorry, when I post wapo stories I'm often going to be using a tweet I create for the purpose. There's just no clean way to get a direct link to them. Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 03:10 on Jul 24, 2019 |
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The Glumslinger posted:Atleast someone in this country has the balls to impeach an executive I should note this is only happening because the governor's own party disavowed him almost immediately and joined the calls for resignation, then eventually threatened impeachment. The opposition party has favored impeachment but had way less direct power or leverage on this.
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Jul 24, 2019 21:51
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Better feed of the PR press room, via facebook for those with accounts: https://www.facebook.com/108679513654/videos/2358019697774039/
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I should note that there are a lot of hurdles to clear to enter a class action suit- it's very complex and difficult. This appears to indicate that most but not all of those hurdles are cleared.
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Jul 24, 2019 22:00
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https://twitter.com/FrancesRobles/status/1154138869199265793
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CommieGIR posted:My wife just got texted a URL to this: very legit website there.
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Triskelli posted:How much are they paying the cops? Or is the desire to crack skulls just that great? Without getting into the details, PR's police force is local and very clean compared to a lot of the government. The "unrest" so far has consisted of one (1) tear gas canister. The island's notoriously high murder rate may have actually declined due to the protests.
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Speaking of, the press moved out of the room, waiting for somethign to happen https://twitter.com/BiancaJoanie/status/1154155281665994757 There are a bunch of people joking that Ricky has left through the back door while the press were all cooped up. This is why that's a popular joke:  That's a 5 story cliff and the ocean.
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https://twitter.com/BiancaJoanie/status/1154155281665994757 The guy in a blue shirt on the lower left is David Begnaud, who's a high level CBS anchor and one of the best mainland media people on the island. He's fun to watch because he's an excellent, courteous journo who also doesn't speak a single word of Spanish. But he's so hot that the Puerto Rican viewers have adopted him.
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ahahahaha oh god what a shitshow https://twitter.com/FrancesRobles/status/1154157271393476609 https://twitter.com/BiancaJoanie/status/1154157426226204673
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Lucania posted:According to WAPA, this is apparently almost exactly what the First Lady just did, exiting through the back while the press was being told about Rossello's address elsewhere. got a source? I've heard the same, but it's all thirdhand rumors. (there is of course literally a "back", which is really one of several side exits).
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https://twitter.com/NoticentroWAPA/status/1154189868395839489 watch this vid
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gently caress you you goddamned rear end in a top hat. Revised/Updated Puerto Rico Politics Effortpost: Puerto Rico has three political parties:  New Progressive Party (NPP, PNP in spanish) - the NPP has supermajority control over all territory level government, and a significant number of municipal governments. It's nominally conservative on social issues (PR has a majority Catholic population), but that doesn't mean much because Island Politics are Different. The NPP supports statehood and is nominally, loosely, tied to the Democratic party in the mainland. In practice it's a machine party that will usually affiliate with whichever mainland party will offer PR more. The NPP has a substantive amount of internal corruption. Ricardo Rosselló is the governor of Puerto Rico and a prominent member (but not the leader) of NPP. As governor, he lives in Old San Juan in a luxurious colonial governor's palace/fort, "La Fortaleza". He is generally blamed for the poor readiness of Puerto Rico for Maria - a blame that he certainly partially deserves (though it's not clear what any administration could have done, given Puerto Rico's already crippled infrastructure). During the immediate period after Maria, he tried to align himself with the Trump administration to get better funding and support- a reasonable action at the time. This does not excuse the general incompetence and supreme contemptuous, bigoted corruption that have come to light since. Long before Rosselló even became governor, he had a reputation as a corrupt elitist detached from the people- a stereotype that already fits the persona of the governor position, the dude in the fortified palace in the wealthiest part of the island. Rosselló was basically far too overt, destructive, bigoted and stupid for anyone in the NPP to tolerate - and of course he's also a great target for the outpouring of collective pain that the island has built up since the hurricanes. The party has almost immediately disavowed him and are moving to impeach after he failed to resign earlier today per an ultimatum they gave him.  Popular Democratic Party (PDP, PPD in spanish) - the PDP has most of the remainder of votes in the territory government, and has majority control over most municipal governments. It nominally more closely aligns with the mainland Democratic party, but again, things are complicated and it's principally centrist. The PDP opposes statehood, favoring either the status quo or any of a number of modifications to the arrangement under the banner of "free association." It is nominally tied to the Republican party in the mainland, but again, this isn't generally material. The party is internally fractious and highly corrupt. It has generally lost ground to NPP as Puerto Rico's economic situation has worsened, but has powerful patronage and informal networks in places it controls.  Carmen Yulín Cruz is the current mayor of San Juan. She is known for publicly protesting the Trump admin's treatment of PR during and after Maria, and has been seen as a more effective administrator- though it should be noted she has the advantage of administering the wealthiest, most functional part of the island. It is a long historical convention for the mayor of San Juan and the governor to clash, and for the San Juan mayor to run for governor; PR is basically built to encourage this. Cruz was planning to run against Rosselló in 2020, and probably will run against whomever replaces him. Cruz and the PDP will definitely have been partially responsible for coordinating some of the current protests against Rosselló, but the circumstances are such that every single group on the island, including much of the NPP, has ideological reasons to unite and oppose the governor. Cruz is opposed to Rosselló, but please understand that this does not make her the "good guy"; she's mayor of San Juan, and therefore has her own share of dirt. At different times, the NPP and PDP have both held majority status in every area of government. PR is a fairly impoverished and disenfranchised territory with decades of insufficient support from DC, so politics there is corrupt and unpleasant. Pretty much every government position swaps when the political party control changes, so there's no apolitical civil service. Despite this, PR still adheres to democratic and civic norms- elections are free and fair and the government is generally expected to function, but kickbacks and, in particular, inter- and intra-party sabotage is common. As current events show, the population is way more politically active than the mainland. Here's an example, though some details may be off as I was very young at the time. in the late 80s the mayor of San Juan was planning to run against the governor (whose residence is also in San Juan), on a populist platform emphasizing infrastructural changes to Old San Juan's commercial district, the throbbing heart of PR's tourist economy. The governor responded by ordering most of the downtown commercial streets closed for, iirc, "cleaning" as a reminder to businesses about who held actual power.  Puerto Rican Independence Party (PIP) - the PIP has one seat in the PR house and Senate. Their politics are extreme left wing and are defined by advocating for political independence for PR.They are generally viewed as crazy, because if statehood would carry economic risks, everyone basically understands that independence would be an act of supreme self-destruction. There are some indications that the PIP at least used to be supported by foreign countries that would like to peel PR off from the US. Referenda on Puerto Rican Statehood Over the past several years, refrenda have all favored statehood by a several percentage point margin, and the margin has continued to increase, despite active efforts at sabotage by PDP once it became clear they would not prevail. A referendum in 2017 had a 97% vote for statehood, but PDP told their members to boycott the vote. Prior referenda, which were also undercut by the PDP in other ways, generally gave statehood a ~55% majority. Independence generally gets 1-5% of the vote. 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https://twitter.com/NoticentroWAPA/status/1154214817743429632 Ricky's now recording a televised message, meaning he dicked the press corps around for hours for absolutely no reason.
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Furnaceface posted:This seems like a really bad idea when there has been a literal angry mob outside your place for nearly 2 weeks straight. I wanna be clear, the protests have been completely nonviolent- amazingly so, given the circumstances. What we're seeing is actually the system working very well.
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Did anyone read my detailed description of the situation? "because direct action" is an absurd and inaccurate reduction of what got him out. The most important lever was his own party trying to impeach him.
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Thanks for continuing to post these- it's incredibly heartening to have someone else following PR
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Who wants some maximum hot take? Linked via a tweet from me because, again, wapo doesn't embed cleanly. I am not endorsing the position in the opinion piece. https://twitter.com/discendo_vox/status/1154403224587264002
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I am going to repeat, again, that the determinant of the resignation in Puerto Rico was because the governor's own constituency was protesting, and his own party, which had full control of the government, was threatening impeachment. Puerto Rico does not exist as some sort of parable to inform the current situation on the mainland.
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Fallom posted:Was his own party protesting and calling for his impeachment from day 1? Yes. The intraparty dynamic in PR is not the same as the US. I posted several detailed accounts of the parties involved and major players earlier in the thread, here. The governor was incredibly unpopular within his own party before the current sequence of events even started. Prester Jane posted:This is painfully wrong. The governor stepped down because the people made the country ungovernable- as we need to here. No, that would be the Puerto Rican Legislative Assembly, which his own party controls, moving to impeach him after beginning a criminal investigation into him, tied to a) federal investigation into his cabinet and b) a strategic release of communications that appears to have been leaked from, again, his own party. Again, Puerto Rico does not exist as validation for your prior beliefs. Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 14:38 on Jul 26, 2019 |
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The difference is fox news and related media streams. It's really that straightforward. They have their own largely self-contained, self-reinforcing system of facts, beliefs, and social support.
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Pinker's got a whole history of similarly  claims about sex:Start of thread: https://twitter.com/kate_manne/status/1149902823200632833
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Puerto Rico update: Governor Rosselló is set to resign in just a few hours, but there has been a crisis of succession; several of the people that would be next in line to become Governor had already resigned, and those still in the line of succession are also under investigation, or see the position as a poison pill. Rosselló's party, the pro-statehood PNP, still has full control over the Puerto Rican legislature, and has aligned its support around this man, Pedro Pierluisi.  Pedro Pierluisi is a lawyer, the former AG of Puerto Rico and its former nonvoting representative to the US Congress from 2009-2017 (as well as a number of other lesser roles). The Congressional representative is actually a crucial, very difficult job, because although they have no leverage, they are the people who try to ensure that Puerto Rico gets included in laws passed by the federal government. Pierluisi was viewed as very effective in that role. For example, Puerto Rico was not automatically included under the ACA; Pierluisi got it manually added to the bill. Pierluisi was also involved in efforts to bring a Puerto Rican state hood resolution before the House in 2013. Pierluisi comes from a family of PNP politicians and is generally very well-respected within the party. He is not associated with Rosselló's corrupt clique in the executive office (in fact he lost to Rosselló' in the primary for governor). Pierluisi is clean, by Puerto Rican standards; while there were rumors about profiting through investments by his wife that related to some of his past political decisions, any corruption on his part is of the indirect, limited mainland congressional style, rather than the insane self-dealing and profiteering that happens in Island Politics. Pierluisi's largest issue by a million miles is that as an attorney, he did consulting work for a law firm that did work for the Fiscal Control Board, and incredibly hated federal oversight committee that is supposed to guide Puerto Rico out of insolvency. This is pretty much the only line of attack the opposing PPD party really has to leverage against him. What's happening now Pierluisi is nominally under consideration for the position of Puerto Rican Secretary of State, a position currently vacated by a scandal-ridden Rosselló appointee. The idea is that when the Governor resigns, Pierluisi will immediately become governor. But this reveals the would-be governor's biggest liability: the vaunted Island Time. Puerto Rican systems, private and public, have a way of not staying on schedule. Like I said, Governor Rosselló is supposed to resign in just a couple hours, and Pierluisi is only just now wrapping up hearings for appointment! If Governor Rosselló resigns before Pierluisi is made Secretary of State, we'll be in a whole new clusterfuck. Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 18:39 on Aug 2, 2019 |
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Also Is this a good source? It seems kinda "I hold in my hand here a list".
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nine-gear crow posted:I hope someone prints this tweet out and sends it to Julian Assange in whatever black cell he’s been stuffed in since they hauled him out of the embassy. He kinda deserves to know that the pissboy he moved heaven and earth to make president just got someone else off of criminal charges in Sweden, but didn’t even lift a finger to help him. Just to be clear there's no sign that Trump did or accomplished anything. Rocky is released pending trial.
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https://twitter.com/DavidBegnaud/status/1157396928432418817 I can't speak to the legality here; it's a very weird move. There is apparently a legal basis for doing this, but (of course) the opposition party says it's a self-coronation. https://www.elnuevodia.com/noticias/locales/nota/pierluisijuramentacomogobernador-2509494/ This article says it's being done under a 2015 law; the law's constitutionality is being questioned (and of course there will be a lawsuit), but I can't tell whether objections are legitimate or not. Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 22:23 on Aug 2, 2019 |
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Puerto Rico Update Pierluisi has been declared governor and given a press conference where he has encouraged the Senate to continue with plans to hold a hearing on his appointment. He has said that if they vote against him he will resign immediately and the Justice Secretary (who is, again, like 15th in line, already under suspicion, and absolutely does not wanna be governor) will automatically assume the position. This is pretty clever- it puts responsibility for the instability of the government on the Senate if they vote him out. Pierluisi was able to be appointed governor under a 2005 law amending inheritance standards that is at least debated in its constitutionality. It's becoming tricky at this point, because it's clear that all the people who are still protesting outside the governor's mansion, who reporters are interviewing, are now hardline supporters of PPD and the independence party. They're attacking Pierluisi on both potentially valid and invalid grounds, whatever they think will stick; calling his appointment an "antidemocratic coup" orchestrated by Rosselló on his way out. (this attack is not very plausible; Rosselló and Pierluisi hate each others' guts).
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Otteration posted:Thank you for these posts. glad to be of service. Other PR goons, feel free to correct me if I'm mischaracterizing things.
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It's way more likely both staffers were moving to places that could pay them much more.
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Can we at least not post their manifestos until they're confirmed as real? I am so tired of getting exposed to this poo poo.
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:Has there been a false manifesto yet? It really seems like 4chan’s style to try. iirc, yes, a couple times. There's also a pattern of trying to get the media to falsely identify the shooter as a particular person, I forget the name.
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