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The trick is to go into all new content as DPS so you feel no obligation to actually know anything
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Is the Ivalice stuff not in the alliance roulette? Been sitting in queue for 2 hours now
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Jul 14, 2020 18:45
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never apologize for doing msq dungeons/trials blind
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Jul 14, 2020 18:46
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:The trick is to go into all new content as DPS so you feel no obligation to actually know anything actually the trick is to go in as tank instead, and just dps facing backwards
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Jul 14, 2020 18:46
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Senator Drinksalot posted:Is the Ivalice stuff not in the alliance roulette? Been sitting in queue for 2 hours now They are, but by nature it will fire a lot less since you have to be 70, also a lot of people cheese their ilvl to force Crystal Tower raids I find they only have reasonable queues in prime time. It is probably even better than it used to be now that they are Resistance Weapon prereqs/mogtome sources
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Jul 14, 2020 18:47
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Senator Drinksalot posted:Is the Ivalice stuff not in the alliance roulette? Been sitting in queue for 2 hours now It is, but the queues are sometimes slow because it's less popular content.
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Jul 14, 2020 18:48
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:The trick is to go into all new content as DPS so you feel no obligation to actually know anything I've been in this group no one pushed the button on Leviathan and we all drowned.
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Jul 14, 2020 18:52
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I've gotten Ivalice raids 5 times out of the last 7 I've ran Alliance Raid Roulette, so it's popping. Data centre prime times should help. Oddly, not running as a tank probably helps too, although that might matter less in roulettes compared to just the latest raid.
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Jul 14, 2020 19:02
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I think in general it's a good idea to go into things blind, because it actually teaches you how to recognize and handle mechanics, rather than just rote memorization of a guide. It also teaches you how to improvise for when poo poo hits the fan.
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Jul 14, 2020 19:04
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Orcs and Ostriches posted:I've gotten Ivalice raids 5 times out of the last 7 I've ran Alliance Raid Roulette, so it's popping. Data centre prime times should help. Oddly, not running as a tank probably helps too, although that might matter less in roulettes compared to just the latest raid. I queued as a 72 SAM, probably wasn't peak times although I did have to wait in a ~24 person queue to log in
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Jul 14, 2020 19:14
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Yeah wiping in trials or raids is a decent learning experience, especially since it's instant restart. Except I guess in the first Steps of Faith
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Jul 14, 2020 19:18
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Fister Roboto posted:I think in general it's a good idea to go into things blind, because it actually teaches you how to recognize and handle mechanics, rather than just rote memorization of a guide. It also teaches you how to improvise for when poo poo hits the fan. Some people learn by doing, failing and trying again. Other people learn by watching a 3 minute video by a wannabe comedian and doing, failing and trying again because the healer got squished by mechanical horses. There's a lot of space between playing blind and "rote memorisation of a guide".
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Jul 14, 2020 19:19
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I recommend watching a short guide (usually mizteq) for anything in ARR and HW and then going in blind for anything in Stormblood and especially Shadowbringers. As long as you mention you're new or doing it for the first time, or hell like me, you just haven't been there in years, it's always good to communicate.
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Jul 14, 2020 19:26
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What’s the song that plays at the end of the DRG 70 quest? It’s a really chill piano version of the HW main theme, and I can’t remember if it came up in HW proper.
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Jul 14, 2020 19:29
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Or there’s situations where I read the mechanic, so I know what I’m supposed to do, but can’t actually follow the mechanic cause I don’t see what the hell I’m supposed to see. For example, the scales on the Sophia fight. I’m looking for blue and orange meteors I guess? I watched those scales and didn’t see poo poo, though. Or the Lakshmi fight where I could swear the guide said to use the dungeon mechanic button once at the start after adds, then not needed again when not in extreme mode. It is very much needed again. Also, pretty sure I got yelled at for bringing a damage stack indicator to the main group in Susano. But I thought that’s what those pulsing arrows meant. Unless by coincidence they were yelling at someone else for aiming something at the group. You really just gotta roll with it in this game. The mechanics often get telegraphed well with consistent indicators, but not always. Like needing to stand in a tornado in order to avoid an arm sweep goes against how the game otherwise trains players. I’ll just laugh it off, but a small handful of players get lovely about it all.
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Jul 14, 2020 19:36
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how the hell did we go from estinien in the lvl 50 drg quest to estinien in hw
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HPanda posted:Or there’s situations where I read the mechanic, so I know what I’m supposed to do, but can’t actually follow the mechanic cause I don’t see what the hell I’m supposed to see. For example, the scales on the Sophia fight. I’m looking for blue and orange meteors I guess? I watched those scales and didn’t see poo poo, though. So the mechanics you've listed for Sophia are for the extreme versions. If you were just trying for the story content, the Ex guide won't help at all. Lakshmi normal does use the vril a few times, but I think only her transition attack is absolutely necessary. Some, like her full arena knockback, can be survived from the centre, and the other vril-affected attacks are pretty weak. It was probably a bad guide. I think Sephirot normal tornado also has a stack marker in the tornado, as a clue to stand there. And yes, the inward-arrows stack marker always means to stack. Orcs and Ostriches fucked around with this message at 19:43 on Jul 14, 2020 |
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Jul 14, 2020 19:41
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Chrysalis is fairly easy nowadays but it was a bit of a pub-stomper back in the day (a lot of the mechanics are fairly unique to that fight and Triple can easily one shot a tank if the tanks/healers aren't expecting it) so there's some leftover salt from "ugh try #5" trials roulettes. It's similar to Steps of Faith where the fight is not at all hard NOW but it used to cause a lot of groans. That isn't an excuse for people being shits about it of course. If you're new just go into any story fight. If you spend most of it dead, you spend most of it dead. It's fine, expected even. There are very few ways you can cause a wipe on your own in story content, especially as a dps. Extremes and Savage stuff, yes you should watch a video. You're still gonna spend a good chunk of time dead your first few attempts, and this is why learning parties exist. Some of my favorite memories of this game are virgin runs of content where I had no idea what was going to happen and got pasted in some highly amusing way. Don't be afraid to die! Get in there! e: Also yes if you are reading an extreme guide do NOT apply it to the normal-mode raid. Sophia's scales move works the OPPOSITE in normal as it does in extreme for example, if you follow the extreme guide you will suicide every time. mistaya fucked around with this message at 19:44 on Jul 14, 2020 |
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Jul 14, 2020 19:41
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Had a good day in the Primal PvP mines yesterday:  Hilda's so good
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mistaya posted:Some of my favorite memories of this game are virgin runs of content where I had no idea what was going to happen and got pasted in some highly amusing way. Don't be afraid to die! Get in there! Yeah. My favourite times in the game are hitting new dungeons and trials with an absolutely blind group.
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estinien in the 70 quest is like a completely different loving person, who even ARE youAwesome! posted:how the hell did we go from estinien in the lvl 50 drg quest to estinien in hw ysale
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Jul 14, 2020 19:45
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mistaya posted:If you spend most of it dead, you spend most of it dead.
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Jul 14, 2020 19:48
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Awesome! posted:how the hell did we go from estinien in the lvl 50 drg quest to estinien in hw Exploding does a lot to help a person chill out.
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Jul 14, 2020 19:48
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Making it so that you can revive people who fell off the platform was such a huge improvement in later fights
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Jul 14, 2020 19:54
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Awesome! posted:see this is much less fun for me than just watching a 2 minute video before a trial or raid. getting knocked off in ravana and then spending the whole rest of the fight just sitting there my first time sucked rear end. Yeah falling off the island in Bismarck super early in the fight was a mood killer.
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Jul 14, 2020 19:58
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I like to go in blind because if I can figure out what the boss is trying to do and avoid it, I feel like a Jojo.
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Jul 14, 2020 20:00
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speaking of drg, i am liking it a lot now that i am out of 3 button lancer hell. diving straight into packs in potd is a lot of fun.
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Jul 14, 2020 20:02
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Awesome! posted:see this is much less fun for me than just watching a 2 minute video before a trial or raid. getting knocked off in ravana and then spending the whole rest of the fight just sitting there my first time sucked rear end. I watched a video and still got knocked off.
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Jul 14, 2020 20:04
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Awesome! posted:see this is much less fun for me than just watching a 2 minute video before a trial or raid. getting knocked off in ravana and then spending the whole rest of the fight just sitting there my first time sucked rear end. On the other hand, Sephirot is literally the last fight where falling off means you're not recoverable, so Ravana is near the end of that premise. This is where I sort of understand the "watch a guide for anything 3.2 or before" because the earlier the game gets, the more unintuitive one-offs it has, but that's also balanced out by HP being so low in comparison that the fight won't take long anyway. I'm in favor of doing everything blind because it helps you understand mechanics as mechanics rather than as individual sequences you have to memorize. One of the traits of a good player is to allocate as little active thought as possible on "what should I be doing to survive" and as much as possible on "what should I be doing to keep uptime." Also because the content is designed with the intent of you going in blind. Hell, all content is, and the difficulty curve on something like ultimate is more up to how comprehensive guides and strats get rather than any gear improvement or content nerfs--compare this to the WoW method of gradual boss nerfing until everyone gets it. Mister Olympus fucked around with this message at 21:19 on Jul 14, 2020 |
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Jul 14, 2020 20:08
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Kerrzhe posted:actually the trick is to go in as tank instead, and just dps facing backwards This is the real trick. You can get around a lot of mechanics simply by having an extra 40k hp.
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Jul 14, 2020 20:08
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Itzena posted:Oh. Oh dear. I don't care how cool the story turns out if the central character is so annoying I can't get there 
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Its Rinaldo posted:I don't care how cool the story turns out if the central character is so annoying I can't get there
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Jul 14, 2020 20:15
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AnonSpore posted:That acclimatizes you to the mechanic so that when you finally get the big floating Danger Donut above your head you've hopefully seen someone else do it once or twice. That's some serious optimism about human nature.
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Jul 14, 2020 20:21
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HPanda posted:Or there’s situations where I read the mechanic, so I know what I’m supposed to do, but can’t actually follow the mechanic cause I don’t see what the hell I’m supposed to see. For example, the scales on the Sophia fight. I’m looking for blue and orange meteors I guess? I watched those scales and didn’t see poo poo, though. Yeah, this is one of the ones I mostly got right last night, but I have pretty similar issues -- I saw the tethers on the platform most of the time, but I never had the time to swing around the camera and look at the meteors because I'm also watching everyone's health bars and repositioning for AOEs and trying to DPS and watch my mana. I know it's one of the MMO skill testers in that you have to be able to juggle all that while responding to the boss, but the first couple times I do a fight, especially if I haven't ever seen the mechanics and animations, I have a hard time recognizing and reacting to them in time. During the third Sophia meteor I remember seeing two tethers on the left and one on the right and thinking "wait, but what if the one tether is a blue meteor?", but then someone dropped an AOE marker or something on the left side and so I panicked along with half the raid, and we all ran to the right and got knocked off the edge. 
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Jul 14, 2020 20:25
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thetoughestbean posted:I didn’t really care for Fray the idea that you’re full of rage and resentment didn’t really fit with my WoL very much, and I know my WoL would never consider just leaving everybody Pray return
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Jul 14, 2020 21:41
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One thing that will hold true throughout the game: if you're unsure of the mechanics but literally everyone else is standing in a certain spot and you're all by yourself... You may want to move.
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Jul 14, 2020 21:50
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mistaya posted:One thing that will hold true throughout the game: if you're unsure of the mechanics but literally everyone else is standing in a certain spot and you're all by yourself... You might be surprised at how often I see people fail this concept.
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Jul 14, 2020 22:00
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Hrm, everyone is moving behind these ice cubes that appeared. Oh well gotta keep spamming ice 1, I'm an ice mage btw Oh whoa I died
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super sweet best pal posted:Fray return Fixed
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:If I'm leveling an alt purely on LDR and MSQDR, can I get away with just running Ironworks/Shire/Scaevan all the way to 80 A bit late but elaborating on this on top of what others have said. For DPS and healer, the primary and substats remain competitive up to around 54/64/74, around which dungeon and HQ items will be same-ish or better. However, tomestone gear always loses out on armor. The armor part is vital for tanks because they will take bigger hits constantly, and you'll notice solo content hitting you harder as you keep your tomestone gear and gradually lose out on armor. It's still fine for doing dailies, especially if you have your chocobo out, but it's noticeable when you have better gear. MSQDR is fine because it's synced 50 content that you already massively outgear but LDR will drag as you pass the halfway mark in each expansion's level cap.
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