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There’s literally photos of cops walking hand in hand with people waking up and down the steps.
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Nobody got beat to death on 1/6
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LibCrusher posted:Nobody got beat to death on 1/6 Not for lack of trying.
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There’s at least one video out there of cops moving barricades aside outside of the building, and a bunch of videos of cops letting insurrectionists take selfies with them
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I love the obtuseness of the "what could the widdle ol cops do? It would be suicide!!11!1!1!" while this thread is full of examples of cops going out of their way to brutalize completely innocent people and oppose even the most basic civil liberties. It's almost like there's some systematic difference between the people who they brutalize and victimize vs those they allow or assist in committing crimes?
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Grip it and rip it posted:Seems pretty reasonable to not get beat to death also - I don't like cops but what exactly is the expectation here for them? Not loving this? https://www.businessinsider.com/capitol-building-officers-posed-for-selfies-helped-protesters-2021-1
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I just don’t think the Capitol police were united in their goals, some wanted to do their ostensible job of suppressing the public, some wanted to help the maga, others were sympathetic to the maga but still wanted to do the former and got a fire extinguisher to the head as a result.
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Yeah there were definitely elements eager to take a dive but obviously most didn’t get the memo. Higher up it’s also not politically expedient to be saying that the people who all your cop buddies identify with lead by their thin blue president are going to come riot. So it seemed like orders to actually do what needed to be done weren’t given until it had already gone insanely far.
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Cops are also largely cowards that prefer to outnumber their victims as much as possible. I’m not surprised that being outnumbered to that extent kept even the most bloodthirsty cops from going to town (in the extremely long shot that they’d felt like committing violence against their friends and fellow MAGA heads)
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Oct 17, 2021 05:48
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Internet Wizard posted:Cops are also largely cowards that prefer to outnumber their victims as much as possible. In contrast to groups that like being outnumbered by as much as possible.
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Godholio posted:In contrast to groups that like being outnumbered by as much as possible. delta farce
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TheWeedNumber posted:delta farce Sporkans
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Cops rely upon their ability to freely wield violent force against others more than numbers
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Its wild comparing the Capitol police to the Germans' response https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRjI2GX3W4s
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Godholio posted:Sporkans Navy SQUIDS
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Aren't cops at super high-security federal sites armed to the absolute teeth for specifically slaughtering crowds of protesters (like miniguns and mk 19s type stuff)?
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I'd be pretty surprised if a "yes" answer was public knowledge.
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The only sure way to find out is to model it poorly in a videogame
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poll plane variant posted:Aren't cops at super high-security federal sites armed to the absolute teeth for specifically slaughtering crowds of protesters (like miniguns and mk 19s type stuff)? IDK go find out
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poll plane variant posted:Aren't cops at super high-security federal sites armed to the absolute teeth for specifically slaughtering crowds of protesters (like miniguns and mk 19s type stuff)? The Department of Energy, who has guards and contractor guards at nuclear sites, has a ton of military poo poo like armored Humvees with .50 cals, armed response / counter assault teams with full auto rifles. Anyone trying to attack a nuclear power plant is going to have a very, very bad day. It's not for protesters - it's for guarding critical infrastructure that absolutely cannot be interfered with. DOE also has teams of guards that travel in convoys guarding nuclear waste or unused fuel. Those guards are almost all ex combat arms military, some from SOF units. There was a posting for that job on USAJOBS.gov - this is all public knowledge. As for MK19s and miniguns, I don't know. I also don't know about other federal sites.
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UP THE BUM NO BABY posted:The only sure way to find out is to model it poorly in a videogame Lol
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Bored As gently caress posted:The Department of Energy, who has guards and contractor guards at nuclear sites, has a ton of military poo poo like armored Humvees with .50 cals, armed response / counter assault teams with full auto rifles. Anyone trying to attack a nuclear power plant is going to have a very, very bad day. It's not for protesters - it's for guarding critical infrastructure that absolutely cannot be interfered with. I wanted to make a smug remark about antivaxxers and Jan 6th, but I honestly hope there's something similar in place for BSL-4 labs.
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UP THE BUM NO BABY posted:The only sure way to find out is to model it poorly in a videogame Check out my new game “nuclear centrifuge simulator” which comes out next year a followup smash hit to “Tom Clancy’s Guard Schedule and Roster at ADX Florence” Also these guys apparently so have grenades launchers but this is like the one case where it’s like “yeah fair enough” since they don’t do regular cop stuff literally just guard nuclear stuff that needs to be guarded and I don’t think I’ve heard heard of them bothering people or playing Navy SEAL in peoples apartments. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Protective_Forces?wprov=sfti1
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Holy poo poo I knew those guys were some serious hombres but I didn't know they had M134s and MK19s. Christ. Makes perfect sense though.
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I think they’re explicitly designed to be able to fight off like anything up to foreign SOF with anything short of like a serious IFV or tank. It mentions they have artillery and mortars too. Honestly doesn’t seem like a bad gig you get to do all the fun parts of the military and never actually have to deal with people or shoot farmers in a foreign country and just train unless something goes very very very wrong. I say that then it’s going to come out that some FPF is running a Nazi child loving cult or whatever but yeah.
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Anytime something's Wikipedia goes "they are considered an elite fighting force" I think "ah, they really want to feel special and someone wrote their Wikipedia" but maybe that's unfair of me.
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Best Friends posted:Anytime something's Wikipedia goes "they are considered an elite fighting force" I think "ah, they really want to feel special and someone wrote their Wikipedia" but maybe that's unfair of me. I get that vibe too lol
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FWIW, the job posting did say that necessary requirements were years in SWAT or military combat arms, with desired qualifications being time in SOF units. So they very well could be full of ex Rangers or MARSOC dudes. The regular DOE contractor security officers / protection guys may just want a certain number of years of LEO or military experience, but certain units in the DOE force protection game really seek out SOF. See below. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_of_Secure_Transportation Bored As Fuck fucked around with this message at 00:24 on Oct 22, 2021 |
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Bored As gently caress posted:FWIW, the job posting did say that necessary requirements were years in SWAT or military combat arms, with desired qualifications being time in SOF units. So they very well could be full of ex Rangers or MARSOC dudes. The regular DOE contractor security officers / protection guys may just want a certain number of years of LEO or military experience, but certain units in the DOE force protection game really seek out SOF. See below. This sounds like the kind of job where it’s 99.999999999999999999% Certified Cool Guy Training and Fun Stories poo poo until they hit that one .00000000000000001% once-in-a-dozen-lifetimes scenario where it’s an actual “oh poo poo oh poo poo oh poo poo oh poo poo oh poo poo” moment.
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Yeah that's exactly right. From what I've read on cop forums, it's a boring as gently caress job where you get a gently caress ton of cool training when you start and also in service training, but they never really do any actual LEO poo poo. Lots of standing around doing nothing, or if they're in a convoy transport unit, driving and staying awake for 24 hrs at a time (supposedly if they're working 36 hrs straight they take turns sleeping in a bunk in the vehicle's back for 8 hrs). Sounds like a cool job to have for a couple of years to get some cool training, and then move on to other federal LEO poo poo. Apparently the uniformed division of the USSS is boring as gently caress too, unless you're on the counter assault team which is always stationed somewhere close to the POTUS.
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https://whyy.org/articles/family-of-the-8-year-old-shot-fatally-by-sharon-hill-police-call-for-the-officers-firing/ Just to make it clear since the tweet didn't really explain the whole story, there was literally no other shooting. Someone called about hearing shooting in another part of the neighborhood that didn't actually happen and bunch of cops started firing into a crowd.
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I'm very curious about the training the police would give the ARNG during “40 hours of traditional police training in the use of deadly force.” https://thefederalist.com/2021/10/21/abbott-deploys-armed-national-guard-to-border-to-arrest-illegal-aliens-for-trespassing/ The Federalist posted:Texas Gov. Greg Abbott gave the green light for thousands of specially trained National Guard troops to go to the Southern U.S. border and begin making arrests of illegal aliens who are trespassing in the state. Biden should do what Eisenhower did and Federalize the Texas National Guard. That would take the Texas Governor out of the chain of command.
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Police doctrine usually explicitly rejects “minimum force” as a standard, which was at least the standard every time we did SRF and VBSS training in the navy, so I’m not sure how exactly that would work since what’s legal for civilian cops is easily ucmj territory.
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SMEGMA_MAIL posted:Police doctrine usually explicitly rejects “minimum force” as a standard, which was at least the standard every time we did SRF and VBSS training in the navy, so I’m not sure how exactly that would work since what’s legal for civilian cops is easily ucmj territory. Shades of the coup in Bolivia giving soldiers immunity for the crimes they commit?
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What kind of legal precedent is there for NG forces being used to arrest people on criminal trespass charges
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Internet Wizard posted:What kind of legal precedent is there for NG forces being used to arrest people on criminal trespass charges "Arrest" might be the wrong word.
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Internet Wizard posted:What kind of legal precedent is there for NG forces being used to arrest people on criminal trespass charges That's been my question. Since these guys are not on Title 10 Federal orders it falls under the state's jurisdiction, but it was always my understanding that posse commitatus still applied to the NG. I admit to not being an expert on military law, so I could be wrong. Everything I've seen so far with Guard on the border has been sure to emphasis "assisting" law enforcement as opposed to performing law enforcement duties.
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