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What's the thoughts on federal police force models? I don't mean the mix that exists in the US, but those models in other countries, like Police Nationale/Gendarmerie of France, the National Police Agency of Japan? Are there solutions there? It's a scary thought because any model would likely put more power in the hands of the executive branch of the federal government and never be agreed upon by congress anyway, but when I think about how to change something in the culture of the police force, I think about how difficult it would be compared to getting something at least weakly done by changing the curriculum at 29 Palms or Fort Benning than trying to hope city governments change the position of 17,000 different agencies with less authority and disparate training. I think about how hosed you'd be in the Navy for falsifying documents about keeping a tube of silicone coating out overnight, and how I spent two hours on training because some guy on a different class of ship blew out a Main Reduction Gear, and how even though I hated that training and having to do it, I'm never going to run an MRG without oil. I also think about when I get told to do a Preliminary Investigation, it's on someone I probably met a year ago since I move every 2-3 years, but at a police station, it's either be on someone you knew for 10 years, it's on a new guy, or it's by a new guy on a senior. That seems more difficult. Could there be a force, man trained and equipped Federally but operational authority held locally? Does the Coast Guard have the same problems as American police?
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Doesn't the FBI/US Marshalls/Secret Service cover what a federal police force would do? Or do you want federal police on patrol in addition to the regular police, as a check/balance?
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May 28, 2020 18:40
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Federally funded and trained and monitored police on patrol INSTEAD of local cops subject to local (lack of) funding and local (lack of) oversight, probably. Also the Coast Guard doesn't have the same problem because they don't operate with the mindset of being an occupying force on American soil
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May 28, 2020 18:56
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Oversight is a huge problem, we just do not have a mechanism for it at all. Here's a good thread on changes that could be made, but would require voting out the very people who've spent decades protecting law enforcement. https://twitter.com/greg_doucette/status/1266053291684827138?s=20
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May 28, 2020 19:01
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Yeah, my great wish for years has been for a completely independent federal oversight org for police that takes on all investigations that internal affairs currently would. Sunlight is the best disinfectant, so let's prevent even the temptation for corruption by taking it out of their hands. Edit: Two completely unsurprising updates: https://kstp.com/news/george-floyd-fired-officer-overlapped-security-shifts-at-south-minneapolis-club-may-28-2020/5743990/ quote:A former club owner in south Minneapolis says the now-fired police officer and the black man who died in his custody this week both worked security for her club up to the end of last year. https://twitter.com/GypsyEyedBeauty/status/1266162964727562240 Liquid Communism fucked around with this message at 01:58 on May 29, 2020 |
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May 29, 2020 01:26
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Just end qualified immunity. Seriously, regulation is always weak and easy to get around. Lawsuits are not.
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May 29, 2020 16:35
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Internet Wizard posted:Federally funded and trained and monitored police on patrol INSTEAD of local cops subject to local (lack of) funding and local (lack of) oversight, probably. The CG tells you straight to your face, gently caress up and we will feed you to the wolves. We have the same type of gung ho mother fuckers the police get they just know they will get crucified if they get caught abusing their power. That and we dont really do revenue generation.
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A Bad Poster posted:Doesn't the FBI/US Marshalls/Secret Service cover what a federal police force would do? Or do you want federal police on patrol in addition to the regular police, as a check/balance? federal oversight with federal training standards that state police academies must follow. Additionally, the responsibility for police misconduct needs to fall on the governor. Right now responsibility is all localized with multiple layers of responsibility insulating the governor from misconduct in his state and its loving bullshit. Also a family friend is a lawyer for a city and the hurdles they have to jump through to fire a cop are loving insane. PookBear fucked around with this message at 18:07 on May 30, 2020 |
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May 30, 2020 18:01
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SpaceSDoorGunner posted:Just end qualified immunity. qualified immunity from the federal government without any federal oversight or standards is so god drat stupid.
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May 30, 2020 18:08
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Maybe the loving cops can learn to live under always changing oppressive rules and I'll gather some loving sympathy.
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May 30, 2020 18:14
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PookBear posted:qualified immunity from the federal government without any federal oversight or standards is so god drat stupid. Or yeah make it conditional on following federal training standards and transparency.
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May 30, 2020 21:36
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SpaceSDoorGunner posted:Or yeah make it conditional on following federal training standards and transparency. This is a really good idea.
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https://twitter.com/chieffymac11/status/1266884475268616197?s=21
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May 31, 2020 01:53
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Looks like they misunderstood the post-Charlottesville training. gently caress those guys.
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May 31, 2020 02:30
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Cops kill and maim innocents. People riot because cops kill and maim innocents. Cops are assigned to 'maintain order', against people who are angry because cops kill and maim innocents Return to step 1. My mother the other day, in the same breath, commented on how sad the current state of events is and how if those darn black people would just stop committing crimes, this wouldn't happen anymore. There is no hope for this country.
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May 31, 2020 02:57
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To quote the man himself on how I feel with people like my mother:MLK posted:"First, I must confess that over the last few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season."
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May 31, 2020 03:00
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https://twitter.com/ruinthesteele/status/1266459389390659590 I wonder if we can get them to wear their I Can Breathe shirts on their way to the ventilators.
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Nephzinho posted:https://twitter.com/ruinthesteele/status/1266459389390659590 those sidewalks were probably coated with covid from the night before.
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A good cop story. Tuesday the courthouse had just reopened and the sheriff's department was stretched thinner than usual, having been tasked with crowd control, check-ins and COVID-19 screening. Over lunch a family had tried to tell a relative who was living in an abandoned trailer on their land to move, after several previous incidents. He's an aggressive, angry and unmedicated paranoid schizophrenic. When screaming and yelling didn't work, he threatened his relatives with a hunting knife he had dummy-corded around his neck, and they called 911. A deputy headed out, saw it was more than a one- person job and called for another deputy, and the sheriff headed over. After getting the family members who were all screaming at each other separated and settled down, the sheriff got the facts of what had happened. He then tells the guy with the knife that he had to arrest him for threatening his brother with a knife. Although the knife had been hanging around his neck, guy grabs the knife and starts coming toward the sheriff, threatening him with the knife. Sheriff pulls his pistol and a standoff ensues, with guy screaming and not letting go of the knife and sheriff calmly talking, calling him by name, trying to calm him down. The deputy's tazer is broken, sheriff gave his to a different deputy on patrol, so sheriff checks to see if his undersheriff has one. He does, and comes over and shoots the guy with his tazer. Sheriff cuts the knife's dummy cord, cuffs the guy, takes him to the hospital to take out the tazer probes and then to jail. Sheriff recommends assault with a dangerous weapon (not the harsher crime of assault with a deadly) for threatening his brother. However, he does not recommend charging him with assault on a cop or assault on a cop with a dangerous weapon, just misdemeanor resisting arrest. This is just one story. He's the best LEO I've worked with for going on 25 years. He's also facing a contested election, with a 'D' after his name, in Trump country.
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May 31, 2020 04:37
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Y'all https://twitter.com/h7bicore/status/1266802996102467588?s=19
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Lmao I know that corner. It’s on the way back to the freeway from Sentara Also white cop needs to take some boxing lessons poo poo was weak. Butter Activities fucked around with this message at 10:32 on May 31, 2020 |
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May 31, 2020 10:29
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Don't post CHUD accounts in here.
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https://twitter.com/michaeladams317/status/1266945268567678976?s=21
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You know you good cops could help by breaking ranks and keeping us safe from other police these days. They're not stopping this poo poo already. You knew that though.
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OAF nation insta is surprisingly anti-boot licking despite the name and they’ve been exacting cop and chud tears all day.   
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Montana’s finest and clearly one of the good ones, Ryan Turner Edit: It seems so many chuds cried and mashed the report button that the post was taken down. Weird that saying Nazis are terrorists is offensive to them. Butter Activities fucked around with this message at 00:12 on Jun 1, 2020 |
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They trampled a person in Houston. If they're willing to take lethal actions, why should they be given any consideration?
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Wasabi the J posted:You know you good cops could help by breaking ranks and keeping us safe from other police these days. If you've got 1000 good cops and 10 bad ones, and the good ones don't act against the bad ones, you have 1010 bad cops.
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Saw vid of boston cops smashing their own suv tonight. 6or so cops pulling security while two walked around breaking the lights and windows to make it look like protestors had attacked it. When they noticed they were being filmed the baton strikes stopped and they did the oh poo poo i got caught aimless walk away from it
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Stravag posted:Saw vid of boston cops smashing their own suv tonight. 6or so cops pulling security while two walked around breaking the lights and windows to make it look like protestors had attacked it. When they noticed they were being filmed the baton strikes stopped and they did the oh poo poo i got caught aimless walk away from it I watched the same thing- looked more like they were trying to get the busted windshield cleared to prolly drive it away and keep it from get torched if they left it but IDK.
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Liquid Communism posted:If you've got 1000 good cops and 10 bad ones, and the good ones don't act against the bad ones, you have 1010 bad cops. 40% of cops admit to committing domestic violence and continue to be cops, making that other 60% be people okay with protecting the careers of domestic abusers
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Stravag posted:Saw vid of boston cops smashing their own suv tonight. 6or so cops pulling security while two walked around breaking the lights and windows to make it look like protestors had attacked it. When they noticed they were being filmed the baton strikes stopped and they did the oh poo poo i got caught aimless walk away from it Don't be a snitch, they just want a new car
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https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtectAndServe/comments/gulhut/rioter_shoots_at_the_military_with_predictable/ If you’re wondering what the cops think of that BBQ owner they murdered.
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I wouldn't think many cops have time to frequent their favorite reddit board right now. Though at this point their action is representative enough. Grip it and rip it fucked around with this message at 18:12 on Jun 2, 2020 |
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I really, really kinda wish Cmdr Shepard still posted here just so I could watch him seethe at all these goddamn vermin having the gall to challenge authority.
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Doublepost
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