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Chichevache posted:I've seen leftists on twitter post about how when they need help they just call the people they trust and get a group together for protection. I understand that transpersons and other members of the queer community have a distrust of the police, but I don't understand how that doesn't lead to lynch mobs and street gangs. This used to be how advanced and powerful states: systems of justice and policing were mostly devolved to local clans, usually councils of elders. There's a guy named Ocalan who wrote about what a modern non-imperialisy version of this might look like, with respect for all hatfields and mccoys, even those that live in each other's towns. It was a matter of some interest to him, since he's Kurdish (and has been in a Turkish prison for years). a bunch of de facto "kurdistani" cities are really into him. e: i can't make too spirited of a defense of this idea, but i'm sympathetic to it Doc Hawkins fucked around with this message at 21:50 on Aug 17, 2019 |
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hot sorcery posted:lol yes i know. why are their cops in the vet subforum in the first place? do veterans here jump at the chance to defend war criminals? what happens if they do? american cops and soldiers are both parts of the same system of creating the hierarchy which defines our society, along with mass shooters, george zimmerman, and every guy who beats and eventually shoots his wife. i just listened to a fun sad podcast about this, that I'd recommend to anyone in this thread. Patrick Blanchfield gets a little too abstract for my tastes sometimes, but I get stuck thinking about the things he says, which might mean something.
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Professor Bling posted:Literally loving called it when the news first officially broke. A murderer is going to walk free because they had a badge on, which is the common theme of these things. Cops walk when they murder innocent people as long as the innocent person they murder has dark skin. she wasn't wearing her badge 
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Kawasaki Nun posted:lol have fun comparing the disparate treatment of the criminal justice system. trip report: i didn't have fun
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this seems like a great example of gunpower: that someone had a gun is ventured as a justification for a cop killing them with a gun. this is offensive from an abstract perspective of a right to bear arms, but makes perfect sense if you feel the purpose of that right, and of guns themselves, is to enforce our society's current hierarchy. in that light, it is natural for police (and men and white folks in general) to order, threaten, and kill people within their socially recognized area of control (a "beat," an ethnically privilehed neighborhood, a house, etc).
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McNally posted:Your writing style is very evocative of a crazy uncle who ever says things that are correct by accident. I accept the criticism, and I think I understand it. I've found the idea of "gunpower" very convincing, but it can sound like a Metal Gear Solid monologue.
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Bored As gently caress posted:What do you expect from Shaun King, the guy who jumps to conclusions more than that guy from Office Space. He's hit or miss. He's got basically no knowledge of policing, use of force, the law, etc. you forgot to say he's the real racist, that's the one i hear the most
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we could be missing vital context, maybe those firefighters deserved it
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Stravag posted:https://www.wbtv.com/news/national/2019/10/27/off-duty-dallas-cop-thought-he-shot-intruder-it-was-his-son/ quote:Desoto officers asked the man why he didn’t call police for help if he suspected an intruder. gunpower insanity. "it's my job to murder anyone who violates my control of my home." this guy almost murdered his son just for being where he wasn't expected, rip his family if they ever actually piss him off
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PeterCat posted:That's an ad for a TV show. the picture, or just the poster? e: vvv that's what i thought. i dimly wondered what was up with that poster's phrasing, but it's the juxtaposition that gives an impact. Doc Hawkins fucked around with this message at 18:02 on Jun 8, 2020 |
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Jun 8, 2020 16:49
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Godholio posted:I can't even keep up with the goalposts anymore. He wasn't doing that kind of nonsensical facebook chudposting and you either know it or you're just showing up to bounce from thread to thread arguing with people. That's not what moving goalposts mean. What makes those positions nonsensical and the ones you're defending worth preserving for the sake of having a differing point of view?
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Policing was invented as a technique to pacify occupied populations more effectively than soldiers or gendarmes. Robert Peel's principles for the London Metro were based on his experiences as (ugh) "Chief Secretary for Ireland."
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Internet Wizard posted:Applying something like a UCMJ to cops would be a net gain, though. A universal set of laws, standards, and most importantly RESTRICTIONS that all cops across the country must adhere to would be a huge step forward. On the one hand it'd be weird to have separate courts for them, but on the other at least you wouldn't have DAs that depend on police cooperation being expected to prosecute them.
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It's a failed joke on my part. I was going for comedic understatement with the word "weird." We already have high and low justice in the US, but I would not be surprised if someone seriously proposed that to "streamline" all of these accusations of police misconduct, that they be judged by a tribunal of senior officers in special cop courts.
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I was charged with resisting arrest because when someone told me to move or i would be arrested i said "i understand, you'll have to arrest me, i won't resist"
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Phobophilia posted:Soooo, you guys prob have a bit more experience in this regard, assuming that you even *can* reduce police funding so it can be diverted to more effective social programs... I'd guarantee them jobs, homes, and healthcare, just like everyone else. Would that work? Could we even do it? Maybe not, but the problem you describe is, more broadly, one that we already have: Imperial wars always come home (linked article is pretty good and on-topic i think)
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according to my dad, what you want for an urban cavalry charge is a shitload of marbles
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BLECK THE BLUH
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https://twitter.com/KenLayne/status/1290352566950215681
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police exist primarily as a system for managing and producing inequality by suppressing social movements and tightly managing the behaviors of poor and non-white people.
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Your question hinged on a distinction without a difference. Police exist to perpetuate and reinforce the race and class hierarchies in society. Abolishing those hierarchies requires abolishing the organizations which enforce them. Arguments for not abolishing one are arguments for keeping both. (socialist society would also be a class society and would also need some kind of enforcement to keep property owners from charging rent or hoarding grain or forming private armies or whatever, i dunno if i'd call forces responsible for that "police" or not, but ehn)
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Aug 23, 2020 19:10
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blah blah sparkling white supremacist murder blah
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i'm never more impressed by police spokespeople than when they post stuff like this without visible embarrassment https://twitter.com/PortlandPolice/status/1308520990905896962
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i am not linking the story because it is an absolute unparalleled nightmare, i am not kidding, do not google it if you have strong reactions to this kind of thing, but a guy who was charged with the murder (2nd deg) of his 8-year-old son was allowed to retire from the NYPD and keep his pension. he was suspended without pay since January, but no official disciplinary action.
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PookBear posted:cops are killing people and not facing consequences ugh, with this again!
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this is a problem with many known solutions. just stop and frisk people you see posting suspiciously, tell them this is a nice subforum and that they should stay in theirs.
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my unwanted and uninformed advice to people trying to force regime change in Nazi Germany would be to only attempt to infiltrate the state's security forces after they have formed or joined up with some kind of parallel communal security organization, and to take a realistic assessment of their capabilities and priorities, perhaps focusing their recruiting efforts on everyone who has as of yet NOT signed up to be a stormtrooper
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The End of Policing is a short, practical read. each chapter is on a particular social issue addressed these days with policing, and filled with real existing places where those issues are being addressed without it combining them all any one place is going to be a big fight, and i think big companies will try to start selling a new wave of "smart city/policing" tech based on the "successes" of Xinjiang. they'll talk about avoiding violence, stopping "anarchists" before they take action, more advanced and ubiquitous forms of probation for "at risk groups."
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i assume that police receive either formal training or informal advice to "not take any risks" with dogs and to shoot them as soon as they feel threatened, considering that the likely cost to the department is so low. and then chasing them down to finish them off must be, at least some of the time, an attempted act of mercy. some people take more readily to the task of petcecution than others though. https://www.criminallegalnews.org/news/2018/jun/16/doj-police-shooting-family-dogs-has-become-epidemic/ posted:The DOJ estimates that around 25 to 30 dogs are killed by cops every day, with some numbers as high as 10,000 per year. The totals could, in fact, be higher, since most police agencies do not formally track officer-involved shootings involving animals. [foxworthy voice] if you're responsible for 27% of the dog murders in your department, you might be a psychopath e: quote:A Florida teen who fatally shot a police dog was sentenced to 23 years in prison. Doc Hawkins fucked around with this message at 18:57 on Jul 8, 2023 |
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Shooting Blanks posted:I've seen plenty of zombie movies, I keep my machete sharpened just in case. that's smart, you wouldn't want the infection to turn you into a human
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