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eeme
Oct 31, 2007

Whatever. Let's go get tacos.
Maybe it is a magic book, and falling asleep while reading it is the way to enter Asinotaph.

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FlocksOfMice
Feb 3, 2009
No see reading all of this without comprehension was the same as mastering this magic power. According to Mookie, books are power. Comprehension is irrelevant, so long as you performed the signifying action of "reading" it. If you have seen the words with your eyes, you have read it, and the power of that book is transferred into you. That's what's happening. Actual study and apprehension of concepts is irrelevant so long as you have turned enough pages. That's the power of books!

Billy Gnosis
May 18, 2006

Now is the time for us to gather together and celebrate those things that we like and think are fun.
I guess he is supposed to be literally walking on water based on Mookie's Twitter.

Way to be subtle there mookie

Douche Wolf 89
Dec 9, 2010

🍉🐺8️⃣9️⃣
he is actually improving with that brush package when you compare the bg to that awful snout. If he went to 1 comic a week of 4-5 panels using them, I swear it would be less work and better output

he's stretched thin between this comic and patreon porn. If he went weekly he'd be able to draw each panel as he though of them, rearrange as needed, and then copy paste (or god willing retrace)

TheHan
Oct 29, 2011

Grind, you poor fool!
Grind straight for the stars!
If he went down to one update a month he'd likely put in exactly as much effort.

Happy Landfill
Feb 26, 2011

I don't understand but I've also heard much worse
We all know this isn't a dream because Snout's dick isn't out

PoptartsNinja
May 9, 2008

He is still almost definitely not a spy


Soiled Meat
So he's Lucid Waking?

Isn't that just called 'being awake'?

Samovar
Jun 4, 2011

I'm 😤 not a 🦸🏻‍♂️hero...🧜🏻



PoptartsNinja posted:

So he's Lucid Waking?

Isn't that just called 'being awake'?

I dunno, I've often been awake without feeling lucid or in control.

...

:smith:

Lunatic Sledge
Jun 8, 2013

choose your own horror isekai sci-fi Souls-like urban fantasy gamer simulator adventure

or don't?
sometimes I have this dream where I open a box of Cracker Jacks and the prize inside is the boy on the front of the box

Billy Gnosis
May 18, 2006

Now is the time for us to gather together and celebrate those things that we like and think are fun.

PoptartsNinja posted:

So he's Lucid Waking?

Isn't that just called 'being awake'?

I first read this comment as "Lucid Wanking" and it describes this comic so well.

ScienceSeagull
May 17, 2021

Figure 1 Smart birds.
Not sure I'd call this comic lucid though.

FlocksOfMice
Feb 3, 2009
it's not very lucid if he's just walking around aimlessly in a constantly shifting dreamscape, is it

Moola
Aug 16, 2006

Lunatic Sledge posted:

sometimes I have this dream where I open a box of Cracker Jacks and the prize inside is the boy on the front of the box

What

SubG
Aug 19, 2004

It's a hard world for little things.
At the heart of the Dreaming stands a dong.

Libra
Jan 5, 2011

Death by Sauron isn't how I expected this to end, but I'll take it.

Bismuth
Jun 11, 2010

by Azathoth
Hell Gem

Invisible Clergy
Sep 25, 2015

"Behold, I will corrupt your seed, and spread dung upon your faces"

Malachi 2:3

SubG posted:

At the heart of the Dreaming stands a dong.



Someone please goatse this. It's perfect.

TheHan
Oct 29, 2011

Grind, you poor fool!
Grind straight for the stars!
Our hero being transported to an otherworldy dream realm and travelling to an ominous lighthouse should be one of the most exciting parts of your story.

Douche Wolf 89
Dec 9, 2010

🍉🐺8️⃣9️⃣
love how the backgrounds are too hard for him to redraw, so he just goes from wet forest to waist deep bay Infront of the lighthog with no transition

Not even like, one scene dissolving into another, or a close up or alternative shot

Emrikol
Oct 1, 2015
I expect that Snout's going to wake up as he slips beneath the waves, because this is the narratively redundant do-over of the infoboxed dream epiphany that we laughed at in the previous chapter.

Iacen
Mar 19, 2009

Si vis pacem, para bellum



Invisible Clergy posted:

Someone please goatse this. It's perfect.

https://i.imgur.com/Pvoc15M.png

EthanSteele
Nov 18, 2007

I can hear you
He's only messing about with brushes, but sans Snout it's actually alright, probably the best image in the entire Legacy. Snout looks like he's been poorly photoshopped in and his lines are so different, if he had done Snout with the brushes too then it would be so stark.

Douche Wolf 89
Dec 9, 2010

🍉🐺8️⃣9️⃣
"Oh it's a collage, he's pasted this teen's drawing onto this older, more capable teens drawing"

SubG
Aug 19, 2004

It's a hard world for little things.

EthanSteele posted:

He's only messing about with brushes, but sans Snout it's actually alright, probably the best image in the entire Legacy. Snout looks like he's been poorly photoshopped in and his lines are so different, if he had done Snout with the brushes too then it would be so stark.
It's not so much alright, it's just garden-variety bad: bland composition, trite subject matter, amateurish execution, and so on.

Like the main thing it has going for it is that it is that it's a landscape with no details (apart from Snout) in the foreground and, apart from the perfectly straight spunk-rays, nothing that conveys a sense of perspective. This is a fortuitous situation for Mookie, because landscapes in general don't involve drawing any anatomy, which he's terrible at, and this one doesn't involve perspective, which he's terrible at, or rendering detail, which he's terrible at.

Like okay, it looks kinda like a first try at a "learn to draw waves" exercise. Cool, fine. But looking at it, it looks kinda like we're supposed to understand the dark, smeary poo poo in the "background" as an ??island?? the dong-tower is standing upon. And I think the wave-smears in the middle of the page are supposed to be breaking on the shore of the ??island??. Okay, fine. But then the big wave-crest along the middle of the page doesn't really make much sense--it looks like a wave that's moving from left to right, not one that's rolling up the page.

And as a sort of larger, conceptual thing...this is a fuckin' webcomic. There's absolutely no reason why this page, or the entire sequence, needs to be formatted as a series of "pages". Like if Mookie wants to spend the week going buck-wild drawing smeary black and white brush-tutorial landscapes, cool. Whatever. But like why not make the looming tower an image several times larger than the typical "page"? Why not make the swamp or whatever Snout had to traverse wider? Or a meandering curve through a background of unimaginable dream-madness or something? And my suspicion is that these pages haven't been any of those things not because of any larger aesthetic considerations or whatever, they look the way they do because Mookie either couldn't think of or couldn't execute anything other than what we got.

Joe Slowboat
Nov 9, 2016

Higgledy-Piggledy Whale Statements



The strongest part of this comic is bits like this. Actually no dialogue, some degree of artistic enthusiasm, and there's a clear (if simplistic) narrative.

These bits would be the first thing I'd recommend cutting in any other comic.

Also, this should be the kind of thing that happens whenever Snout falls asleep - there's a bright light drawing him on, but every time he fails to reach it - some dream-obstacle overwhelms him and he wakes up. Sometimes other people are there too with him.

Then reading the book and falling asleep using some of its instructions should let him start overcoming those obstacles, opening the way to the next phase of the narrative in dreams.

That would at least be shaped like a narrative.

Rotten Red Rod
Mar 5, 2002

SubG posted:

And as a sort of larger, conceptual thing...this is a fuckin' webcomic. There's absolutely no reason why this page, or the entire sequence, needs to be formatted as a series of "pages". Like if Mookie wants to spend the week going buck-wild drawing smeary black and white brush-tutorial landscapes, cool. Whatever. But like why not make the looming tower an image several times larger than the typical "page"? Why not make the swamp or whatever Snout had to traverse wider? Or a meandering curve through a background of unimaginable dream-madness or something? And my suspicion is that these pages haven't been any of those things not because of any larger aesthetic considerations or whatever, they look the way they do because Mookie either couldn't think of or couldn't execute anything other than what we got.

Relevant counter example from my favorite webcomic: https://www.octopuspie.com/2020-05-06/818-home-2/

And a reminder that Octopus Pie is amazing and everyone should read it.

SubG
Aug 19, 2004

It's a hard world for little things.

Rotten Red Rod posted:

Relevant counter example from my favorite webcomic: https://www.octopuspie.com/2020-05-06/818-home-2/

And a reminder that Octopus Pie is amazing and everyone should read it.
Or Boulet's "The Long Journey".

Rotten Red Rod
Mar 5, 2002

I think the Ocopus Pie one is even more relevant as it uses the format as a narrative tool illustrating the life of that character and city-dwelling millennials in general. You come out the other side understanding more about Jane's headspace and what she has to deal on a daily basis. You understand her struggle and her jaded feeling towards the world she's moving through, and how it once was everything she wanted, but now she just feels stuck in it. She wants desperately to grow up, but the world is doing everything it can to hold her back. All that without dialogue, to boot!

Boulet's is great as well, artistically phenomenal in fact, but his comic is all one-shots, so you don't learn much about him as a person other than what stuff he finds neat visually. (Not that it needed to do that, just comparing how they relate to Snout's journey into Illustrator brushes hell here.)

Rotten Red Rod fucked around with this message at 01:10 on Jan 22, 2022

DicktheCat
Feb 15, 2011

I'm going to be the odd one out here and say that the landscapes are the first things he's drawn I've even slightly liked.


If it didn't have the character, it would look decent. Hell, if he just used similarly textural brushes and bothered to shade, it might be ok to keep the character there.

I generally don't cut the guy a break, but we've always harped on him to try new things, and realistically, if we're bitching just to be bitching, let's be honest about it. I say this as a dude that got his account here by being a part of the old mock streams when Deegan was first made, I don't have a great love for the dude. But he is trying new things, for loving once, even if they suck.

Rotten Red Rod
Mar 5, 2002

It's inoffensive but I would not call it good.

Mordja
Apr 26, 2014

Hell Gem
Same poo poo, different day.

Mx.
Dec 16, 2006

I'm a great fan! When I watch TV I'm always saying "That's political correctness gone mad!"
Why thankyew!


it's the symbolism get it
you get it
get it

Billy Gnosis
May 18, 2006

Now is the time for us to gather together and celebrate those things that we like and think are fun.
The failure of the composition he was trying for really shines through in these comics

Rotten Red Rod
Mar 5, 2002

So the challenge Snout is facing is that a sign that means "challenges" will appear every time the plot threatens to progress

P.S. this page is literally drawn on top of a copy of the previous page, lol

Emrikol
Oct 1, 2015

Emrikol posted:

I expect that Snout's going to wake up as he slips beneath the waves, because this is the narratively redundant do-over of the infoboxed dream epiphany that we laughed at in the previous chapter.

Joe Slowboat
Nov 9, 2016

Higgledy-Piggledy Whale Statements



Rotten Red Rod posted:

So the challenge Snout is facing is that a sign that means "challenges" will appear every time the plot threatens to progress

P.S. this page is literally drawn on top of a copy of the previous page, lol

Isn't the essence of dream symbolism 'literally getting in a fight with a symbol, no, more literally than that'

Rotten Red Rod
Mar 5, 2002

Next Snout will encounter a guy with a shirt that says "DEBT". Guess what he represents

SatansOnion
Dec 12, 2011

Rotten Red Rod posted:

Next Snout will encounter a guy with a shirt that says "DEBT". Guess what he represents

an overreliance on lazy scribbled crosshatching :pseudo:

Howard Beale
Feb 22, 2001

It's like this, Peanut

Mx. posted:

it's the symbolism get it
you get it
get it



Snout's peener just floatin around in the water, having a merry old time

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Samovar
Jun 4, 2011

I'm 😤 not a 🦸🏻‍♂️hero...🧜🏻



The ham-handed symbology aside (as well as the naked Snout), I confess, I do like the wave effects.

They are... miles beyond anything he's done before.

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