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I find it almost impossible to believe that Mookie won't callout the Nighthawks trace as a "referrence". No one can be that ignorant, to assume that one of the most famous piece of Americana could be traced exactly and not have people notice it.
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The Little Death posted:I find it almost impossible to believe that Mookie won't callout the Nighthawks trace as a "referrence". No one can be that ignorant, to assume that one of the most famous piece of Americana could be traced exactly and not have people notice it. You are giving mookie a lot of undeserved credit. Only time can tell. Also, can we talk about how mookie's additions to one of the most famous paintings of all time, famously about solitude and isolation, was to clutter it with a bunch of blurry background extras and change it from night to day? Perfection. Invisible Clergy fucked around with this message at 23:04 on May 31, 2020 |
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May 31, 2020 22:58
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He did steal that one Watchmen quote.
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May 31, 2020 23:12
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Is he gearing up to draw an awkward naked-sleeping threesome?
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May 31, 2020 23:15
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The Little Death posted:I find it almost impossible to believe that Mookie won't callout the Nighthawks trace as a "referrence". No one can be that ignorant, to assume that one of the most famous piece of Americana could be traced exactly and not have people notice it. He is 100% the kind of person who wants everyone to know how "clever" he is, but doesn't trust them to figure it out on their own.
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May 31, 2020 23:41
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He could at least have replaced the coffee machines in the background.
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Jun 1, 2020 03:10
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But then how would anyone know that he
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The Little Death posted:He could at least have replaced the coffee machines in the background. Covfefe machines.
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Jun 1, 2020 05:37
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Does anyone hate themselves enough to go back through all the pages and see any odd examples that may be more tracery?
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Jun 1, 2020 06:23
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Also I've been getting a real constant dose of webcomics penis from MM&O and its always a delight 
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Jun 1, 2020 06:25
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If that other obvious tracery was of another extremely famous painting I'd think he was doing a long-term thing where he
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Jun 1, 2020 06:45
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Ok, well I’m less offended by the low effort tracejob and more annoyed by the inconsistency of Mongreltown’s ascetic. A honestly minor thing given this comic.
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Jun 1, 2020 06:50
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quote:
Bolding his.
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First of all, has he given a single ounce of credit to the other artist(s) whose work he's used? He could get away with it for something so recognizable like the Nighthawks because most people will, even if they don't remember the name of the painting or the painter, at least know enough to search something like "famous diner painting". I kind of suspect the reason he's even saying anything is that it's so recognizable that someone would inevitably bring it up if he didn't say it first. But what about art done by people who don't have the benefit of being well-known? For example, in that traced image of the park, how many people are going to know first that it was traced at all, and then know that the original photo was taken by Jake Tobin Garrett, a guest writer who took photos for a city design project? Which also makes it doubly lovely that Mookie hasn't even acknowledged he's using photos that were taken for a specific organization and specific reason. Instead he just talks about how much pride he has in having drawn that page. And that's just what traces are known. What other background shots are traced? Who knows, he's sure not telling anyone! And without credit, the original artists and photographers are completely lost if an image isn't immediately recognizable or easy to find in a search. Second, from what I can tell from the video he's citing, the illustrator isn't talking about grabbing uncredited images off of Google Search. He's a professional movie poster creator, talking about working with major film releases and using their resources (presumably with permission) to create said posters. So, while it makes sense why Mookie might want to do it for portraits of real people, assuming the commissioners know that their photos will be used that way, it starts to fall apart when for his comic he grabs the first thing he sees off Google and covers it in tree brush paint. There's also the question of if he's actually doing anything transformative or making a meaningful allusion, or if he's only using Nighthawks because he wanted a diner scene. But I feel like that's subjective territory and I am not nearly smart enough to talk capital-A Art. Tracing can be a valid tool if used with proper care, and used to learn about specific aspects such as, for example, the way lights and shadows fall upon a scene. However, there's a huge different between using tracing as a personal learning tool and not publishing the work, and publishing it anyway and not even having the bare minimum courtesy to acknowledge the original photographer. MiracleFlare fucked around with this message at 09:18 on Jun 1, 2020 |
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yeah it's not great when he's just like "found it on google lol" instead of using a) art with permission, b) art in the public domain/with public license and/or c) crediting the original artist
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MiracleFlare posted:Second, from what I can tell from the video he's citing, the illustrator isn't talking about grabbing uncredited images off of Google Search. He's a professional movie poster creator, talking about working with major film releases and using their resources (presumably with permission) to create said posters. So, while it makes sense why Mookie might want to do it for portraits of real people, assuming the commissioners know that their photos will be used that way, it starts to fall apart when for his comic he grabs the first thing he sees off Google and covers it in tree brush paint. Also from that video (c. 1m30s): "Photography doesn't often do that well, yeah it reflects exactly what you see, but artists hopefully aren't just drawing what they see but what they understand." He's specifically talking about tracing photographs and then using his artistic ability to convert that framework into actual artwork.
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Jun 1, 2020 10:18
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It would make more sense if he wasn't literally tracing the image (throw around dumb photoshop terms all you want, it's tracing) but then completely changing the context and ideas behind the original. Homer Simpson being lonely and isolated and then the shot pulling out into looking just like the Nighthawks setting but with a Springfield diner and Homer at the table is an homage or a tribute. This garbage is just laziness disguised as pretentious horse poo poo.
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Jun 1, 2020 10:29
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Synthbuttrange posted:Does anyone hate themselves enough to go back through all the pages and see any odd examples that may be more tracery? I've done this recently and none stood out to me. That's not to say he didn't trace any of the other backgrounds from old Green Lantern comics, just that none seemed too obvious. So in order to defend tracing stuff off GIS, rather than make his own argument, he... copy pastes in someone else's without understanding that it's also specifically dunking on what he's done? This guy is too much. Just when I think mookie can't be a bigger piece of poo poo.
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Jun 1, 2020 12:52
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Really wanna see these portrait commissions that he traced, which are definitely not uncanny monsters akin to Greg Land’s art.
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I feel like choosing Nighthawks was his way of hanging a lampshade on his tracing. He obviously knew people were talking about it, so now he's done it in a way that is so blatant he can pretend there was never any attempt to obscure his tracing at all. It's also not just the background he's tracing. He used the entire scene composition and doesn't really alter it in any way. He just inserts his characters into it. I feel like that's actually a level beyond using it as a shortcut for filling in the skybox or having a city scene out the window. This one is actually better than the park because he at least changed the background building a little instead of tracing every window and branch like the park scene. That bench was so exact it makes me think he ran it through a filter target than tracing at all.
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Jun 1, 2020 19:33
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A common novice art tip I've seen for drawing stuff is to draw a (for example) shrimp from memory with no reference, then trace over a bunch of images of one angle, then a bunch of another, and then a bunch of another and so on until you have a massive collection of a shrimp from many angles. Then you have to draw a shrimp from memory in a brand new pose now that you understand how its body fits together and ooh wow look at the difference, you can draw a really good shrimp now! The difference between that and what Mookie does is that you don't upload the first trace and pretend you did art good. And if he has decided to make it intentional, what is the intent? What statement is he making about mongrel society juxtaposed with IRL art and photography?
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Jun 1, 2020 20:55
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If his idea of challenging himself is tracing Nighthawks, then that's just sad. What kind of artist can't do simple two-point perspective with orthogonal lines?
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The main theme of the painting Nighthawks is loneliness, and it evokes wonder about the lives and circumstances of the people pictured, and how they ended up at a diner in the dead of night. Mookie's traced version is full of people in the middle of the day.
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michael "mookie" terraciano has been an artist for two decades, and to this day he does not understand art
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Dabir posted:michael "mookie" terraciano has been an artist for two decades, and to this day he does not understand art this is quite an amazing feat really
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The Little Death posted:I feel like choosing Nighthawks was his way of hanging a lampshade on his tracing. He obviously knew people were talking about it, so now he's done it in a way that is so blatant he can pretend there was never any attempt to obscure his tracing at all. It’s so this. Mookie may not read here, but he obviously reads people’s opinions somewhere and noted people were talking about his background tracing. So he traces something absurdly obvious, then explains he’s tracing so he can justify it in the future. I’ll reiterate my opinion. I am less annoyed with tracing Nihthawks and more annoyed by how just tracing your backgrounds makes your Mongreltown seem inconsistent. It’s like a ninja village from Naruto, but with a Central Park, an open air market, and a 1940s diner. It feels all over the place.
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Drunk Theory posted:I’ll reiterate my opinion. I am less annoyed with tracing Nihthawks and more annoyed by how just tracing your backgrounds makes your Mongreltown seem inconsistent. It’s like a ninja village from Naruto, but with a Central Park, an open air market, and a 1940s diner. It feels all over the place. Mookie doesn't want consistency in his setting. Just like he doesn't like planning the plot in advance, preferring to come up with each strip at the last minute (which results in a lot of pointless filler comics when he has no idea what to do), he also doesn't like planning the world in advance. I remember he once wrote in the rant section under the strip something like not liking to make fantasy maps because it'd constrain him to the locales already placed and limit his ability to change the relative distances whenever convenient for the plot.
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[It feels all over the place. [/quote] mild edge baby!
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Jun 2, 2020 14:50
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To be fair about Mongreltown having an out of place 1940s diner, I think Dexter Jettster is a better fit for the Deeganverse than for Star Wars.
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Invisible Clergy posted:I've done this recently and none stood out to me. That's not to say he didn't trace any of the other backgrounds from old Green Lantern comics, just that none seemed too obvious. Sometimes when I got bored I would check and see if he uploaded the comic any earlier than his usual. I remember the first week of walking going up extra early, and I think there was even a buffer of one page at a point. At first I thought the landscapes were the first part of the legacy he was actually invested in which made him get them done faster, but tracing them would save him a bunch of time.
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Cat Mattress posted:Mookie doesn't want consistency in his setting. Just like he doesn't like planning the plot in advance, preferring to come up with each strip at the last minute (which results in a lot of pointless filler comics when he has no idea what to do), he also doesn't like planning the world in advance. I remember he once wrote in the rant section under the strip something like not liking to make fantasy maps because it'd constrain him to the locales already placed and limit his ability to change the relative distances whenever convenient for the plot. At the hands of a more competent writer/artist this could've been a mirror of mongrelfolk themselves having varied forms, with a mismatch of beauty and ugliness. But it's mookie so it just comes off as extremely lazy.
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Jun 2, 2020 17:26
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Oh and new page I find Snout’s new outfit...unappealing.
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Jun 2, 2020 19:49
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Wait is that the exact same 'bumps into one-winged mutant who then flies off erratically' gag and panel from earlier? I'm in awe of how bad this comic is. It keeps getting, impossibly, worse.
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If this is a new outfit Arudak bought him from a tailor, why does it have those lovely looking patches on it? Did we really need an origin story for why Snout bought new clothes? Couldn't he just go to a store, deposit one Joe Slowboat posted:Wait is that the exact same 'bumps into one-winged mutant who then flies off erratically' gag and panel from earlier? Why is Snout still running into people? He's deaf, not blind.
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Jun 2, 2020 20:23
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Joe Slowboat posted:Wait is that the exact same 'bumps into one-winged mutant who then flies off erratically' gag and panel from earlier? It's like Boku no pico but a boring webcomic instead! YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
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Jun 2, 2020 20:24
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The... The little "deaf" patch right on his chest... What the gently caress. Why, Mookie. Why.
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Jun 2, 2020 20:38
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I hope my deaf uncle never find out about this comic.
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Wow, clothing that doesn't make you have to keep holding your pants up with your hands exists. What incredible new technology.
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