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If you look at the eye line, he's just starin' right at them ink pots. Them paint cans. "Oh you're writing a thing with magic, I can't hear your writing over the sound of your bare-rear end tits hanging out."
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Lunatic Sledge posted:are we sure he didn't write this some time in the early 2000s That would require that he worked ahead and had a buffer. We know he has, aside from a span of about 2 weeks around the Eldariat to Die storyline as discussed earlier, never done this. So, no. He just never advances mentally because he's dumb.
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 I don't think I've ever seen emotional manipulation play out so clearly in a comic like this before, he really nailed it on every front. The villainizing of Snout's friends by spreading gossip about them, the constant violations of Snout's trust that are always brushed aside with empty promises to never do it again, pressuring Snout by putting undue responsibility on him to support them because there's nobody else who will. It's hard to believe it's unintentional when it hits the mark so exactly.
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Jul 2, 2020 13:08
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This is actually gross. It's doubly gross because the naivete Snout is characterized with makes it feel like this is story of somebody manipulating a younger lover. It has all the same plot beats. Mookie you've done it again you creepy bastard.
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Jul 2, 2020 14:07
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Yeah but that side-boob is expanding; she might be in danger.
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Jul 2, 2020 14:15
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Hey, someone actually called Mookie on his poo poo. (This wasn't one of us touching the poop, was it...?) The first tweet is disconnected from the tweet it's a comment on for some reason, it seems like Twitter gives you some way to censor tweets you don't like in that way? It's weird, the icon shows there was one comment to the last comic, but I had to search for both their names to the see it and the rest of the conversation: https://twitter.com/Harahune/status/1278143664481374209 https://twitter.com/Harahune/status/1278143921864892417 https://twitter.com/Harahune/status/1278390064846757888 Mookie took the criticism very well! https://twitter.com/mookiebean/status/1278398049895800833 Anyway, this kind of shows the pointlessness of engaging him directly. Both sides are kinda cringey - even if you're right you kind of come off as an aggro rear end in a top hat. Rotten Red Rod fucked around with this message at 14:47 on Jul 2, 2020 |
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Jul 2, 2020 14:43
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Not that it's definitive proof but that person has no followers that I'm following and usually even someone I have no idea about will have one goon follower in common.
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Jul 2, 2020 14:53
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Why is her side wrinkling like a shirt does rather than like skin does
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Tesseraction posted:Not that it's definitive proof but that person has no followers that I'm following and usually even someone I have no idea about will have one goon follower in common. Yeah, from the things they're saying to Mookie it's like they're following this thread, but it is impossible to say. That said, let's put a pin in this Tweet by Mookie and see how it actually plays out with the Ink Witch in the comic: https://twitter.com/mookiebean/status/1278283009184194563
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Jul 2, 2020 15:12
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Legitimately I think he thinks he hasn’t decided yet.
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To me that really just shows how terribly he’s handled this character. He thinks he’s being nuanced and painting both Ink Witch and Arudak as morally grey but stumbled into making Ink Witch look Downright abusive like an idiot. I don’t expect him to ever make one overtly evil, especially considering that nonsense he wrote about the dreamworld. Rotten Red Rod posted:Yeah, from the things they're saying to Mookie it's like they're following this thread, but it is impossible to say. I remember finding another mock thread following along in present day when looking to see if anyone’s reading this, so I can see other people making the same criticisms. It’s hard to imagine anyone here having enough emotions about this comic to engage with Mookie directly, but this is a particularly gross scene playing out.
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Jul 2, 2020 15:25
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Yeah, it’s been said before that Mookie doesn’t like to plan things out so that the story can “surprise” him with the direction it takes; amazingly, this is something he could also realize by sitting down and writing out the plot and giving it some thought, but that would be actual effort. But man, he’s writing her as super manipulative, and if he decides she’s actually A Good Person then I think it just makes me incredibly sad for the kinds of friendships and relationships Mookie has had.
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Jul 2, 2020 15:26
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Mors Rattus posted:Legitimately I think he thinks he hasn’t decided yet. Agreed. And as before, I bet replies like this will actually influence the story. Again, I'll actually gain some respect for Mookie if Snout rejects the ink witch. But I doubt it, I think they're going to dance around it a bit more but eventually bone down.
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I think it's more likely that he's always wanted her to be a good person (since he wants to gently caress her) but saw backlash to it so he put a couple strips that are trying to adress that and is now just saying "ooooo but what if she does turn out to be evil" to throw dust into the critics' eyes. That said even if that really is the case it at least means that he's being forced to reckon with the fact that he has been sympathetically portraying a clear abuser. That much is preferable to the ink witch just magically getting a pass to all her bullshit because no-one cared to notice.
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I can assure you it's not me because if I wanted to touch the poop, I would have done it over the traces long before this point  I do feel like it's someone aware of the thread, because I have no idea where Mookie's audience even is besides this thread and Twitter. And a very basic search on the latter hasn't immediately uncovered large reader conversations, good or bad. Is... Is there a third readerbase I just don't know about? Patreon? But anyway no, Mookie, if you wanted to show ambiguity in a character's actions you probably shouldn't show them doing unquestionably reprehensible things like initiating sexual contact with a sleeping person, knowing that their magic is uncontrollable and will invade their privacy further, while also not informing said sleeping person of any of this and not outwardly showing any intention of ever informing them. And the proper response to someone pointing out that this is super creepy isn't to plug your ears and dismiss them as just arguing! If he had just stuck to his first "I'm glad people have mixed opinions, we'll see how it turns out  " response, I'd believe there was a chance that he really did intend to make her look morally ambiguous. But no, they push the matter by pointing out that some of Ink Witch's actions are unambiguously horrible, and he vaguetweets them to paint them as unreasonable and gets a few dozen likes to reassure him that he's right.gently caress off, Mookie, you really didn't learn a thing in the past 10? 15? years since the last time you were called out for trying to portray an abusive character as a hero. MiracleFlare fucked around with this message at 15:56 on Jul 2, 2020 |
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The only other place I know of is the mock thread on Giant In The Playground, and it's much smaller than this one. Otherwise it's just Mookie's (very tiny) patreon and Twitter following, and most of their comments are about how Snout is just SUCH A GOOD GUY OMG
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Jul 2, 2020 15:39
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So she's violating his dreams, but she can't help it so it's OK. And he actually likes it, so it's also OK. An extremely normal and not weird situation to write about.
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MiracleFlare posted:gently caress off, Mookie, you really didn't learn a thing in the past 10? 15? years since the last time you were called out for trying to portray an abusive character as a hero. He doesn't see her actions as abusive. That's the problem. I'm going to try to explain how gross this is, but I'm not going to succeed because it's like taking a rock from the rim of the Berkeley Pit to try to show how bad it is (the water in the mine pit melts ducks  ). It goes so much deeper.Mookie cannot conceive of a situation in which a woman could ever have more power in the relationship than a man, therefore nothing the Ink Witch does to Snout (and nothing Rachel did to Dominic) can be in any way non-consensual because Snout (and Dominic) find The Ink Witch (and Rachel) attractive. Snout (and Dominic)'s humiliation is, at a minimum, a source of amusement ("Ha ha I would never turn down the attentions of a GIRL!") and at worse one of Mookie's fetishes. This sheer desperation for approval and validation from a member of the opposite sex just further hammers home that there are no characters in this comic. Every man we meet is Mookie, and every woman we meet is how Mookie wishes women would treat him. He probably misses the days when girls would "glomp" hug him at conventions and randos would dress up in hand-knitted Dominic Deegan scarves then stand in line to tell him how well written his Mookies are.
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I remember when DD was running, the forums basically turned into a mock thread toward the end of its run. Not a lot of people had anything nice to say about it back then.
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Rotten Red Rod posted:Agreed. And as before, I bet replies like this will actually influence the story. Would you believe I didn't even notice the new page a few posts above mine I retract this, gently caress Mookie forever
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this truly is the legacy of dominic deegan
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I know we've all agreed not to touch the poop but I'm glad someone from somewhere else is calling mookie on his creepy rape porn. gently caress mookie.
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Jul 3, 2020 02:17
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Glad to see Mookie is getting back to his writing roots. Between heroic rapists and sex pest witches, trust Mookie to always flail into a topic with the understanding and attention span of a fruit fly.
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Jul 3, 2020 03:26
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Has anyone told Mookie on twitter that he hasn't found a loophole around his "no dialog" challenge, he's just made dialog as tedious as possible?
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Jul 3, 2020 11:44
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If he's dumb enough to think that every character writing entire essays to one another somehow doesn't count as dialogue, I doubt anyone could explain it to him.
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Who What Now posted:Has anyone told Mookie on twitter that he hasn't found a loophole around his "no dialog" challenge, he's just made dialog as tedious as possible? No, the only people who care to criticize Mookie are us. Most of his Twitter followers just post about what a good guy Snout is.
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Jul 3, 2020 15:08
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Oops! I accidentally wrote an abusive relationship!
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Elysiume posted:If he's dumb enough to think that every character writing entire essays to one another somehow doesn't count as dialogue, I doubt anyone could explain it to him. Anyone remember RPG World way back in the day? There was a cute mascot character that couldn't talk, but it just held up a sign with whatever it wanted to say. This comic is exactly like that, except it's played as 100% serious. And also the author of RPG World went on to have a very successful career making cartoons, that's another big difference.
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Fister Roboto posted:Anyone remember RPG World way back in the day? There was a cute mascot character that couldn't talk, but it just held up a sign with whatever it wanted to say. This comic is exactly like that, except it's played as 100% serious. And then he married Rebecca Sugar.
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Jul 4, 2020 21:55
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I'm still legit sad to this day that RPG World never gave us the finale. I'm still legit sad to this day that Dominic Deegan did. And then didn't. And now continues to not.
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Jul 5, 2020 00:42
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The finale’s in OK KO, they did a whole episode for it.
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Welp, time to go crawling through that.
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SardonicTyrant posted:He actually had some RPG world characters on an episode of OK-KO. Huh, I didn't know they got married. Good for them! Tesseraction posted:Welp, time to go crawling through that. It's this episode, if you just want to see it. OK KO's kind of serialized, but most episodes (like this one) are standalone.
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Jul 5, 2020 19:10
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OK KO is also excellent and worth a full watch. But if you're in the mood for some slop: After having Snout absolve Ink Witch of any wrongdoing in-universe, Mookie's gotta have someone to redirect the audiences' loathing onto. But finally, a whole year in, we're getting something approaching conflict. I wonder how much of the original series's progression can be attributed to randos lobbing criticism at Mookie's darlings.
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Jul 6, 2020 00:19
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Imagine this comic in a world without social media, where all the feedback Mookie gets is a slavering fan forum where dissent is shouted down or even modded out before he can see it.
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Jul 6, 2020 00:21
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The two newcomers look significantly more realistic than the Ink Witch and Snout, at least in the human portions, not so much the hat and the pants. Perspective seems a bit off too, in a way I can't quite figure out, but I think the new guy is some kind of giant. Are we looking at photograph tracing again? Possibly some sort of contest for Patreon contributors?
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