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SubG
Aug 19, 2004

It's a hard world for little things.
More like bonerhead.

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Pulsarcat
Feb 7, 2012


MiracleFlare posted:

That's how I read it too. And to be fair, if this were any other writer I'd accept why they would want to assert that their character is an adult with full autonomy. irl a lot of disabled adults have to deal with being infantalized and desexualized. Of course Snout being deaf has nothing to do with his abhorrent personality (aside from the time Bad Orc said it made him helpless, which... Snout sort of is, independent of any disability) and I don't believe anyone in this thread was suggesting it did. But I can see why someone might still be comfortable with him being called a child and want to set the record straight.


This is something I could understand, like maybe a writer can see that their character is coming across as overly childish and wants to fix that perception.

But another writer might have Snout talk to Orc lady about how he's tired of all his friends treating him like a kid, mentioning that he's in his late twenties, early thirties or whatever and then reminding the audience that he's survived on his own for years.
And then maybe slide into some flirting and a one night stand.

But here Snout just leaps in like an overly eager teenager and then says a swear.
Which is just another kind of immature.

I'll say one thing though, the comic isn't boring anymore.

quote:

Y'know, I could maybe buy the idea that Snout knows he makes stupid decisions when horny, and that he's fine with casual hookups but afraid of screwing up his friendships with IW/Kaianda and that's why he's strictly platonic with them. These are pretty common tropes, and Mookie loves tropes. Thing is, there's been almost nothing in the past to suggest Snout is having the kind of internal conflict this would cause! At most he's been uncomfortable with people crawling into his bed, and until now the easy assumption is that he was, understandably, uncomfortable with having his personal space violated. But even the fully consensual snuggling hasn't had any implication that Snout has conflicted feelings about sexuality and intimacy. So again, it feels like a retcon of his past behavior.

The thing is, there is an explanation for why he didn't act this way around them.

With IW she's never shown any overt attraction to him, instead she sleep snuggles and pats him on the head.
And Kaianda is having all sorts of issues and she relies on Snout, so making any sort of sexual advance on her would be gross as hell.

But Snout's feelings on the matter are never discussed because he's too busy providing us with recaps and playing with his toes.

Mordja
Apr 26, 2014

Hell Gem

Dabir posted:

He's such a bonehead

Found Mookie's alt.

Crespolini
Mar 9, 2014

Mordja posted:

[vile comic. horrible snout]

Yeah, I've smoked weed had sex.

Zereth
Jul 9, 2003



SubG posted:

Mookie hates planning things out, which, you know, is not great. But his ability to improvise is just abysmal. Like really, really bad. Like worse than a grade-schooler trying to fake having read the book. And there have been a lot of examples of this throughout the two and a half years Legacy has been limping along. But holy poo poo trying to retcon in that limp mope Snout has secretly been the ULTIMATE RAWDOG WERESATYR DEMON OF gently caress is just the lol beyond all lols.
I think it's worse in Legacy because there's "no" dialogue. In OG Deegan he'd have people say things and then have to work with what people said, but now he doesn't even have that so he's got less tying him down to specific plot beats.

Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.


:smith:

Grimey Drawer
I was honestly not expecting Snout to go full "bags of sand" AFTER having explicit on-panel sex.

catlord
Mar 22, 2009

What's on your mind, Axa?
Huh. Just... weird.

Twelve by Pies
May 4, 2012

Again a very likpatous story
The following is a list of words I never want to see in Legacy of Dominic Deegan again.

Number one: bra.

Number two: horny.

Number three: family jewels.

super sweet best pal
Nov 18, 2009

Twelve by Pies posted:

The following is a list of words I never want to see in Legacy of Dominic Deegan again.

Number one: bra.

Number two: horny.

Number three: family jewels.

Snout had seeeeeeeeeeeex

grate deceiver
Jul 10, 2009

Just a funny av. Not a redtext or an own ok.
Reminder that this man is 40 and this is his primary source of income. Maybe not specifically this comic, but generally *this*.

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

Maxwell Lord posted:

I was honestly not expecting Snout to go full "bags of sand" AFTER having explicit on-panel sex.

Oh man that does sum it up.

Also him hinting that this has happened before? So all this time this dipshit ambulatory slapstick machine is a routine sexhaver?

Roleplaying Larry
Dec 5, 2008
Him saying “we hosed” is even more jarring than the week of disgusting pornography we got. Being a stupid idiot who blunders into having sex was still in character for him as a naive oblivious dipshit, him knowing the term “loving” feels completely out of nowhere.

Twelve by Pies
May 4, 2012

Again a very likpatous story
Well remember this isn't the first time he's hosed. This isn't even the second time. He says this happens every time he gets horny. If it had only happened once before this, he would probably say "This happened the last time I got horny," so him saying "every" implies this is at least the third time.

But "we hosed" feels jarring in another way and that's that it kind of doesn't fit the soft boi image Snout has been given. This is probably on purpose, so that Mookie can say "See Snout is an adult" (and as someone mentioned, he never used "gently caress" in the original DD so this seems like him using it as a way of showing how much more "mature" Legacy is) but it feels like a Nice Guy like Snout would be more likely to use the phrase "had sex." "We hosed" sounds like the sort of thing a gross jock would say.

RoboRodent
Sep 19, 2012

For me, I think it's partly "hosed" combined with "shared pleasure and bliss" on the same page which is so incredibly disjointed.

YF-23
Feb 17, 2011

My god, it's full of cat!


It's jarring because it's not snout writing a diary page, it's mookie telling the viewer how progressive he is, by breaking the taboo around sexual language and using the word "hosed" casually, and talking about how that loving was a blissful, mutual act.

TheHan
Oct 29, 2011

Grind, you poor fool!
Grind straight for the stars!
Frankly it's hard for me to believe Snout would ever give a poo poo about shared pleasure and bliss when he doesn't even know this woman's name.

Dabir
Nov 10, 2012

Yeah he does, she's "the chandak". He wrote it down and everything. That means it's official.

Calaveron
Aug 7, 2006
:negative:
She's the Bog Hag™ obviously

RoboChrist 9000
Dec 14, 2006

Mater Dolorosa

Twelve by Pies posted:

The following is a list of words I never want to see in Legacy of Dominic Deegan again.

Number one: bra.

Number two: horny.

Number three: family jewels.

What words? This is a comic without dialogue.

Billy Gnosis
May 18, 2006

Now is the time for us to gather together and celebrate those things that we like and think are fun.
I will applaud Mookie though if he immediately goes back to try to actually confront her and they just instantly go back to boning on the next page.


But i mean there is something hilarious about this being a diary page as well. "So as I was saying, Diary, I wanted to confront her. But she was masterbating, so its not my fault that all I wanted to do is gently caress her bro. High five. Women am I right? Its not my fault the woman that hurt my friends is hot (?). They should be glad I got some. You know how it is, diary. Am I rite? I'm the victim here "

Billy Gnosis fucked around with this message at 19:59 on Dec 7, 2021

Howard Beale
Feb 22, 2001

It's like this, Peanut
So the legacy of Dominic Deegan is that Snout fucks. Great. Terrific. Just dandy. Took two and a half years for this revelation. Wonderful. Superb. Mookie. Two and a half goddamn years. Christ. Words mean nothing to me anymore. Who's burning toast

Happy Landfill
Feb 26, 2011

I don't understand but I've also heard much worse
God, I still cannot believe that page is real. I keep thinking back to "shared pleasure and bliss" and it just sends me every goddamned time :shepface:

Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.


:smith:

Grimey Drawer

Happy Landfill posted:

God, I still cannot believe that page is real. I keep thinking back to "shared pleasure and bliss" and it just sends me every goddamned time :shepface:

That's the thing it's not even like, a regrettable gently caress, like this is not a walk of shame moment for him. For him the sex was pure and wonderful and it's only a mild oopsie that he hosed the girl he decided he was angry at because she made his friends sad (which I remind you is still a plot point).

Love when this strip fails at like, basic emotional conveyance

Rotten Red Rod
Mar 5, 2002

Mookie said that "there may even be loving, consensual sex scenes if the story calls for them". So he considers this loving sex and thinks that the story called for it.

Also, regarding this sex scene, he said "while it may seem gratuitous at the moment, there’s a point to it". I don't know if he means there's going to be a good story reason for it coming up, or if it's just his "point" of having sex now because he had so much violence before.

Rotten Red Rod fucked around with this message at 21:49 on Dec 7, 2021

Happy Landfill
Feb 26, 2011

I don't understand but I've also heard much worse

Maxwell Lord posted:

That's the thing it's not even like, a regrettable gently caress, like this is not a walk of shame moment for him. For him the sex was pure and wonderful and it's only a mild oopsie that he hosed the girl he decided he was angry at because she made his friends sad (which I remind you is still a plot point).

Love when this strip fails at like, basic emotional conveyance

I know! That's partly why this is so funny! This seems to be a net positive for him, other than, oh yeah, his friends that he cares about.

I don't know, I can't wait to see how this plays out

Edit: honestly, Snout dropping the word "gently caress" would have had much more impact if the only thing he narrate-wrote was "I hosed up". Pull a Bojack, use your fucks wisely

Happy Landfill fucked around with this message at 22:10 on Dec 7, 2021

Happy Landfill
Feb 26, 2011

I don't understand but I've also heard much worse
Edit: quote is not edit :shepface:

Happy Landfill fucked around with this message at 22:21 on Dec 7, 2021

Caphi
Jan 6, 2012

INCREDIBLE
So here's the other thing about this as a moment of reckoning for Snout:

So far, the framing has been consistent that Snout's character flaw is his ability, not his character. "Your kindness more than your learning" and all of that. As far as Mookie is concerned, Snout's intentions have been pure and altruistic every step of the way - through the Long Flight, through the fishing, through Arudak's research tower - and the thing standing in his way has been his own lack of confidence and competence.

After all of that, the idea that this is where Snout and the comic are suddenly self-aware about Snout neglecting his duty to his friends to focus on his own needs? I think that's where a lot of the whiplash is coming from. It's not consistent with his intended or actual characterization up to this point.

Mors Rattus
Oct 25, 2007

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Snout's such a Nice Guy, however, that even though he has uncontrollable horny urges, he can only get horny if someone literally propositions him directly and for no other reason.

SubG
Aug 19, 2004

It's a hard world for little things.

BattleMaster posted:

mookie just watched hellboy and couldn't wait to add randomly-selected design elements from it to his own work
Hellboy's dumb rustic cousin, Heckboy.

TheHan
Oct 29, 2011

Grind, you poor fool!
Grind straight for the stars!


Come the gently caress on, who are you lying to?

Codependent Poster
Oct 20, 2003

The big takeaway from this is that Snout needs to have sex to control his dreams, so he's gonna have to bone his friends. Just the girls though.

Happy Landfill
Feb 26, 2011

I don't understand but I've also heard much worse
This is like the set-up to the absolute worst hentai

Edit: God this is it isn't it? This is the point where it becomes a weird hentai after two years of being completely sexless

Happy Landfill fucked around with this message at 06:48 on Dec 8, 2021

Joe Slowboat
Nov 9, 2016

Higgledy-Piggledy Whale Statements



Snout is the end of the horizon in that last panel and it's painfully obvious that he was supposed to have some more text to his left, I think, but the author didn't have enough to fill it.

agh it's the same in the first panel!

Trapezium Dave
Oct 22, 2012

Snout dreamt of how much he loved his closest friend, the challenges symbol.

Seriously Mookie you're trying to retcon what you drew only last week, you only need to click back a few times to check.

Samovar
Jun 4, 2011

I'm 😤 not a 🦸🏻‍♂️hero...🧜🏻



Joe Slowboat posted:

Snout is the end of the horizon in that last panel and it's painfully obvious that he was supposed to have some more text to his left, I think, but the author didn't have enough to fill it.

agh it's the same in the first panel!

It's like a gap in the teeth...

Pyrotoad
Oct 24, 2010


Illegal Hen

Rotten Red Rod posted:

Mookie said that "there may even be loving, consensual sex scenes if the story calls for them". So he considers this loving sex and thinks that the story called for it.

He also seems to think that scene is consensual despite it starting with her flashing Snout.

Emrikol
Oct 1, 2015
Since when did Snout think that his friends were a hindrance that he needed to remember otherwise? His immediate rejection of that idea and insistence on helping them was what the entire last month was about!

Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.


:smith:

Grimey Drawer
"I remembered how my friends help me and lift me up, in a dream in which we saw nothing like that really"

Like it was just him in the water and then some shapes, right? Ink Witch and Corpsewoman and Orc Dude never showed up or anything.

YF-23
Feb 17, 2011

My god, it's full of cat!


Every page is a brand new story, wholy independent from the last. This sort of narrative incoherence has happened before, I am pretty sure I remember making the same comment like a year ago maybe.

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Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

Amazing how quickly Mookie can make his comic go from car crash terrible hentai to boring as poo poo again.

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