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Zerilan
Jan 11, 2008

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Ague Proof posted:

His art stagnated and he saw no need to improve. One of the major themes of Dominic Deegan was coding passivity as heroic and effort as villainous.

Yeah, the heroes are all just naturally talented at what they do, while working to achieve their power is something only villains do. The only Deegan who isn't purely good is the one who actively trained in a type of magic even.

Pretty sure that same theme extends to Star Power.

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Zerilan
Jan 11, 2008

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Ague Proof posted:

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It’s going to be uncensored but I’m going to do my best to keep it “natural” instead of “explicit” or “gratuitous.”

He says this while the nudity in the latest comic is only there for the sole reason of having an excuse to write that post.

Zerilan
Jan 11, 2008

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Also I'm guessing we'll see a trend in this nudity of men becoming nude by choice while women are stripped down against their will.

Zerilan
Jan 11, 2008

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TheHan posted:

Ah Ha, but a tractor beam that violently destroys the surrounding area is exactly the kind of dumb poo poo to expect. And behold!



Wait, no, don't strip the unconscious woman, what're you doing.

Zerilan posted:

Also I'm guessing we'll see a trend in this nudity of men becoming nude by choice while women are stripped down against their will.

Zerilan
Jan 11, 2008

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PoptartsNinja posted:

While I know this is setting up something benign or self-congratulatory, I can't help but see it as an alternate intro for Stimpire.text

Dominic was subjected to the worst kind of dick punching.

Zerilan
Jan 11, 2008

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TheHan posted:

Well he absolutely didn’t stop to consider that you can’t just put a human shaped mouth under a dog’s nose and lips. I’m half expecting there to be a dog mouth just above his human mouth and that’s why it looks so off.

if Nintendo can do it with Lucario mookie can do it here

Zerilan
Jan 11, 2008

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It's closer to Baby's Day Out than Mr. Bean.

Zerilan
Jan 11, 2008

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Fister Roboto posted:

He has a magic harp

It will be a magic electric guitar because Mookie hasnt shoehorned in his desire to be "metal" in the comic yet.

Zerilan
Jan 11, 2008

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Who What Now posted:

He did that in DD already

I know, not even just with the maestro but also the really terrible smug metalhead Greg in the later arcs. It's a well I think he'll dive right down into given any opportunity.

Zerilan
Jan 11, 2008

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Mors Rattus posted:

You know what's really bothering me?

Mongreltown. Mookie thinks he's showing them to be just weird looking people...but, like, they're being shown to be mental inferiors fairly consistently. Snout is the only one ever shown in the entire comic run who can spell. The misspellings are fuckin' chronic, what was once a joke about Bort is now just...all Mongrelfolk. They have a city, but they're apparently so dumb as to have only one bookstore at all, and that one is in horrible condition and badly maintained and misspelled because...Mongrelfolk are all primitive, uncivilized idiots who are as dumb as they are ugly???

Like, yeah, uncomfortable racist overtones are endemic to D&D-based fantasy, and I could write an entire essay on the awful, awful legacy of Gary loving Gygax and his racism to talk about why, but this is just...it's incredibly uncomfortable and bad! It's so bad! Why are you putting an entire species of people who are a joke about developmental disability? It sucked when Dragonlance did this in the 80s and 90s! It sucks worse in 2020!

DD started out in a rural hick town where everyone but Dominic was incredibly stupid and alternated between calling him a nerd and needing his help for literally everything. When he moved out he rained burning books on them. Every non-human race in DD was basically a noble savage archetype.

Pretty sure the reason Mongreltown is treated like this here is just because now they're the current "default" race that his protagonist has to be shown to be better and smarter than the rest of them.

Zerilan
Jan 11, 2008

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The Little Death posted:

Right, but this isn't "dumb jocks don't read fantasy like I do", this is Snout meeting his people for the first time, and they're like Eloi in the time machine. The joke with a disused book store with illiterate spelling is "lol, they think they're people"

Yeah, but Mookie's weird biases like that infest every element of his work, even when it's not intentionally blatant like at the start of DD.

Zerilan
Jan 11, 2008

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Mookie's attitude on sex and female sexual agency still feels like a comic strip version of Ernest Cline's "nerd porn auteur" poo poo.

Zerilan
Jan 11, 2008

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Invisible Clergy posted:

What? We do. They were called "action books" because Mookie is a dweeb. Greg drew doujins of himself as "Supergreg." In a different arc, Luna gives Dominic an issue of some superhero he likes, but the character had been rebooted as an edgy 90s antihero so it was a bad gift actually because women can't do anything right in deeganland due to their inferior lady brains.

iirc she apologizes for it so profusely too as if she had written it herself

Zerilan
Jan 11, 2008

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The Little Death posted:

In point of fact she buys him like a collected omnibus of his favorite heman type "action book", and only on the last page is an ad for a rebooted series that's all gritty 90's. This causes Dominic sadness (the last page that is) and then Luna rants for 8 panels about how thoughtless she was not to read every goddamn page of the comic to make sure it didn't harm Dominic's fragile constitution.

Ok at this point it's so dumb that I would think you're bullshitting if I didn't vaguely remember it.

Zerilan
Jan 11, 2008

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Yeah, neither of those strips have Greg so they're not even close to bottom of the barrel character writing by the series standard.

Also they don't have Jayden or Snowsong or rear end-in-air-corpse woman so they aren't even close to the worst example of the comic's treatment or women.

Zerilan
Jan 11, 2008

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Rotten Red Rod posted:

I tried and I got like a week of strips in before giving up, Mookie's writing is intolerable.

And the start of it is probably the "bright" point, before he starts trying to make it more serious.

Zerilan
Jan 11, 2008

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PetraCore posted:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't he also a minor? Everything about that scene is horrible but I dimly remember interpreting it as a situation where he was also raped-by-proxy in being forced to have sex with her or she'd be killed, but Mookie's so tone-deaf it's treated as a heroic thing he did instead of something deeply hosed up that doesn't even make a ton of situational sense.

It was also talked about in the middle of an arc about how Orcs are actually really noble and Siegfried was evil for being racist towards them.

Zerilan
Jan 11, 2008

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Time cube had a lot more substance and coherence than this.

Zerilan
Jan 11, 2008

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Heliotrope posted:

Someone posted this

https://twitter.com/monkipiquinn/status/1254197453957459968?s=21

and a bunch of D&D nerds got mad someone would point out racism in D&D and started saying things like "Oh that means you believe PoC are savages? Clearly you're the racist!" and "Orcs are fictional, therefor there is no racism here!"

Their tweets are protected now, what was it?

Zerilan
Jan 11, 2008

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maltesh posted:

I'm wondering why Snout ran after drinking the non-edible potion, and is still running.

The vendor is by far, the person he's met who's best-placed to help with Snout having drunk a non-edible potion. He already knows what happened and probably knows what the results will be, and how to mitigate them if possible.

Does he think the Potion vendor tried to drug him?

His only actual character trait is that he's really loving stupid.

Zerilan
Jan 11, 2008

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Invisible Clergy posted:

Oh, that's neat. Definitely gonna bookmark that in my good webcomics to read later folder. Thanks.

In one or more of Greg Stolze's ttrpgs (I think it was "Unknown Armies," but It might've been in some other places too,) when discussing the preparation of exposition for PCs to find, he said that generally speaking, depending on how well they do, it shouldn't be more than two of the following: unbiased, accurate, easy to understand. The various combinations of these factors provide interesting dynamics on how PCs interact with information, especially when they compare info from more than one source to see what's going on. If a source of info checks all three of these boxes, then it should probably be something that you just tell the PCs rather than making them work for it, since it's not going to motivate action, advance plot, or develop character. This philosophy, I believe is useful in writing fiction as well, especially when dealing with plots that are about investigating mysteries.

It's at play in some of the old "Vampire: the Masquerade" books as well with the way a lot of the lore in the form of in-universe artifacts are presented. It'll always be like, someone's diary, or a secret message that was passed from one Camarilla to another, but was intercepted by a Sabbat agent and is being deciphered with the help of another Sabbat, it's never just someone sitting down and delivering exposition to someone else, and I find that makes the material much more engaging.

For being primarily TTRPG rulebooks, pretty much all of Stolze's books have a lot of segments that function as pretty good narrative fiction advice.

Zerilan
Jan 11, 2008

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Kinda jealous. I have all the books for UA2 and UA3 but have never actually gotten a campaign going of either.

Zerilan
Jan 11, 2008

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There's also no convincing personal reason for Snout to care about any of this. There's no personal stake in the legacy or the dream realms or whatever. He just saw a scrap of paper with Dominic's name on it, and became fixated on it for no other reason than because Dom is important to Mookie he must be important to everyone else.

Zerilan
Jan 11, 2008

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Safari Disco Lion posted:

The Ink Witch fits, like, every possible definition of a narcissistic, manipulative fake "best friend" type using Snout for her own ends. Snout has basically no understanding or context for the outside world and real relationships, she's hosed him over a bunch of times while begging him to help her, there's a TON of evidence that she has some nefarious scheme in mind for whatever the gently caress they're searching for, alienates anyone who's genuinely kind to Snout and helps him out, possibly used her tits to manipulate him as well, and pulls the "I just hope you can still trust me" card. Everything about her is awful.

Yeah I didnt' even think about it right away but this is literally the first time she saw him after the "hope you can still trust me."

DD though was filled to the loving brim though with protagonists being unintentionally written as emotionally manipulative.

Zerilan
Jan 11, 2008

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She did it to Celesto too.

Zerilan
Jan 11, 2008

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Especially as has been pointed out going by the symbols on her divinations it's like basically the equivalent of a death tarot card, so just angrily pushing it in someone's face could definitely be seen as a threat.

Zerilan
Jan 11, 2008

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Rotten Red Rod posted:

In related news, today's retrospective page of Octopus Pie is a masterclass on communicating emotion without dialogue. You might need some context to get it, but you can see on the main character's face the hurt and isolation she feels, as her ex's oblivious, unimportant babbling drones on. Culminating in an outburst of emotion she can't control with absolutely perfect representative imagery of her lizard brain approving.



Is it any wonder Meredith Gran teaches comic making at an art school? Oh, also, her upcoming game looks amazing.

Thanks for reminding me to start checking on OP reruns so I can binge the whole thing again once the retrospective finishes.

Zerilan
Jan 11, 2008

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YF-23 posted:

He's looking at what he wrote and gets angry at himself for giving up and erases it as an act of defiance. The real question is why he wrote it to begin with.

Because he has no internal thought process.

Zerilan
Jan 11, 2008

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The Little Death posted:

The thing that I notice the most about the origin story is the whole interaction with her professor. It goes away fast but the whole interaction of her fixating on an ordinary star and having her outcast nerd powers determine that it's special even when the stuffed shirt professor she apparently hates can't just strikes me a so.... Mookie.

There were elements of this in his college arc and even with Snout. It's like a veneration of curiosity but without actual being curious about anything? Just instead having a weird fixation on some plot related thing. It's like how Snout can be "curious" but also a hermit who doesn't know how anything works. He's curious but it's only shown in relation to Dominic.

Mookie is still very bitter about his teachers telling him to pay attention to the actual material in class and not just reading about whatever he personally finds interesting.

Zerilan
Jan 11, 2008

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The problem with Star Power is really the only thing that makes conflicts last longer than a couple pages in DD is that Dominic, for all the other ways he's a lovely powerful author insert, isn't supposed to be a direct fighter. A lot of conflicts still end with him just overpowering them in the mind realm or whatever once Mookie writes himself into a corner, but he still has to get things to that point.

Dominic can't just walk up and punch out the bad guys effortlessly, but Star Power can, and does. The one limitation that forces him to at least attempt an illusion of tension is gone.

Zerilan
Jan 11, 2008

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TheHan posted:

Shameful admission: I still can't bring myself to read the dialogue, it's like visual teflon. I didn't realize he outright said there was no threat, lmao. In way it's an appropriate bookend for the series.

Basically all her forces were barely a match for the two ships galactic defense or whatever was able to get there in time, so there was 0 chance of her doing anything more than barely surviving that fight and being finished off by the next ship.

Zerilan
Jan 11, 2008

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Kavak posted:

:10bux: on Ghibli

Nausicaa was my immediate thought when seeing it.

Zerilan
Jan 11, 2008

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This discussion made me remember a bit kinda skimmed over before that follows another Mookie writing trend. Tragic backgrounds, self-inflicted or not, are typically a trait of villains in Mookies work while heroes are pretty privileged people. Blue badlady's species being wiped out was shown side by side with Danica's childhood, whose biggest struggle shown was "what if when I'm older I can't go literally everywhere I want?"

Zerilan
Jan 11, 2008

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It's just the equivalent to how Dominic/Luna/Greg would never kill anyone in DD, but someone like Celesto would always show up afterwards to gruesomely finish the job, usually right before or after we would find out the person is even more cartoonishly evil than we thought just to make sure no one would mourn the dead.

Zerilan
Jan 11, 2008

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The way she's acting about history that we're supposed to be annoyed about his how Danica/Professor woman act all the time about astronomy.

Zerilan
Jan 11, 2008

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The Little Death posted:

I think Mookie's politics are very much in the "well-intentioned but extremely naive" space. I"m thinking in particular of something that will come up in the most recent issue of starpower involving the history of the purple stick people who are all criminals (but curiously are not described as inherently violent the way humans are by those little blub descriptions).

He also has a lot of internalized baggage and looks at a lot of things through jock vs nerd or madonna/whore complexes.

Zerilan
Jan 11, 2008

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Rotten Red Rod posted:

You should have known…? That’s she’d want to celebrate at a bar? Is it torture to watch your friend enjoy herself dancing while you get to drink and unwind with friends? Does Mookie, therefore also Danica, just hate bars?

Mookie's a huge beer snob who hates people that drink for the sake of getting drunk, so yes.

Zerilan
Jan 11, 2008

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Cat Mattress posted:

I thought about this post when I caught up on Dumbing of Age and read this strip.

DoA I only really know through willis's stuff being posted when I was following the GBS bad webcomics thread, but I'm having a hard time even parsing some of the dialogue skimming through it

Zerilan
Jan 11, 2008

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Who What Now posted:

Mookie sending Snout to a cabin because he himself is also going to a cabin is the quintessential Mookie. Dominic Deegan would drop everything at the drop of a hat to showcase Mookie's latest fad interest, like maple candy.

Example I think that sticks out the most to me will always be Luna suddenly being a beer snob.

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Zerilan
Jan 11, 2008

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Mookie writes for himself, and when it comes to media is still basically a kid watching saturday morning cartoons that gets upset whenever he thinks the badguys might win in an episode, so villains can never have any sort of even temporary victories.

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