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Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.


:smith:



Grimey Drawer

It's like he (Mookie) resolves basic obstacles quickly but keeps prolonging any real development of the major story. Which is pretty much how Dominic Deegan proper moved, of course.

I recognize this part of the story, there's a mystery and the protagonist is kinda curious and in trying to find out will come across some larger conflict. That's... like the first 10 minutes of a movie. We're on page 60 of this nonsense if I'm reading the site correctly. That's nearly 3 issues of a normal-sized comic book. Even comics that are specifically "written for the trade" don't move like this.

Also Snout is really the only character we've met so far and he is so boring. Visually in particular. I didn't think you could get more generic than "Wizard nerd guy" but here we are.

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Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.


:smith:



Grimey Drawer

MiracleFlare posted:

How do you give a monster man the saddest, most boring dick ever

And look at that placement of the tail (the back one). Seems like it was intentional that it ends in the middle of his back, rather than following the expected line of the spine.

The nudity in this comic is really an odd choice overall.

Like, it's not erotic in any sense- I may be limited in my reading of this, being a hetero dude, but then I'm pretty sure so is Mookie and he's not exactly trying to sexualize the character at any rate. Which is fine, nothing says nudity has to be sexual. (It's not really used for humor or any other emotional response either.)

But it's also completely gratuitous. It's clearly meant to be like "Well, this is how the character is" but it never feels like a natural matter of fact thing. It's there so he can say "look at how daring I'm being, drawing this guy's wang. I am artistically mature."

Of course my other idea is that he's decided "Is naked a lot" is a character trait (which, sure), and like all other character traits in a Dominic Deegan strip must be hammered home and explicitly stated by the characters.

Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.


:smith:



Grimey Drawer

magicmagicbowl.txt

Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.


:smith:



Grimey Drawer

I honestly think the pacing is about the same as it was in DD, but it's more notable because of the difference in format. Dominic Deegan moved slow as Hell, but there was lots of meaningless banter, there'd be an attempt at a hook at the end of most strips (in the "Oh no we're falling down a mountain!"/"Never mind we're okay" sense), it updated more often, etc. You had to follow it to notice that absolutely nothing was happening.

Here there's no dialogue (or interesting art) to fill the vast empty spaces (where we used to taaaaaalk)

Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.


:smith:



Grimey Drawer

And another scene rolls to a stop.

I hate this.

Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.


:smith:



Grimey Drawer

Oh God this has no relevance to anything who CARES Jesus Christ what a damp squib

Okay I'm drat sure The End of Prophecy is supposed to be a big dramatic thing and it'll turn out not to mean what they wanted us to think it meant, like Mookie's trying to do a Mystery Box. But yeah, this is like something you'd hint at in page 1 of your epic fantasy saga, some enigmatic quotation that'll come to make more sense later.

It has taken us months to get here.

Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.


:smith:



Grimey Drawer

Snout's major handicap is not that he's deaf but that he's very very stupid.

Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.


:smith:



Grimey Drawer

He's almost onto something but then he actually says "It's easy to find that perfect middle ground."

Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.


:smith:



Grimey Drawer


I just want to point out that this book apparently has the table of contents in the middle

Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.


:smith:



Grimey Drawer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0_f5fkrCTA

Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.


:smith:



Grimey Drawer

Tesseraction posted:

Imagine being too scared to leave the land of infinite deadly (but apparently inordinately stupid) monsters.

Yeah it's kinda hard to do Refusal of the Call when you already live in the Adventure land.

Not impossible, but this is the first we're hearing of Snout being terrified of the outside world.

Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.


:smith:



Grimey Drawer

Jesus loving Christ

Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.


:smith:



Grimey Drawer

Yeah this sequence is a bad idea. All you have is the possibility of visual spectacle, and Mookie just isn't at a level where he can deliver that. It's all still very simple, schematic line drawings with no sense of depth or lighting or anything else that would convey atmosphere. This should be cinematic, it's a montage, it's big sweeping helicopter shots and widescreen vistas, but he just never learned how to draw cool landscapes so here we are.

Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.


:smith:



Grimey Drawer

We already have our protagonist-centered morality, the bad guy is bad because someone says he is! Was wondering when that would creep up.

Also I just realized like you could have her painting pictures in the sky that would convey this information and ACTUALLY not be dialogue but that would be difficult so no

Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.


:smith:



Grimey Drawer

Swear to God those stars are a JPEG or something

Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.


:smith:



Grimey Drawer

This is the webcomics equivalent of the part in Manos: The Hands of Fate where they spend like 20 minutes just driving looking for the Valley Lodge.

But with worse visuals.

Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.


:smith:



Grimey Drawer

TheHan posted:



You can only really run the ink drip scam once. When people see you fingerpaint a big black X and call it a fortune they ain’t coming back.

Okay I can appreciate a good awful pun but yeugh

Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.


:smith:



Grimey Drawer

Snout has neither butt, nor hips, nor waist. He just slopes inwards from the chest down.

Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.


:smith:



Grimey Drawer

At first I just hated this strip because it was boring and not going anywhere, and then this happened.

Jesus Christ, Mookie. You have hit a new low.

Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.


:smith:



Grimey Drawer

I think it'll be a while before we get to a sex scene, we're now in some pathetic "Oh how *risqué*" scenario.

Just, none of this makes sense. Why did Snout even get naked if he's so self-conscious about being naked next to her? Like if he's just naturally a nudist kinda guy, with minimal contact with other people anyway, he'd likely be all "Oh this is perfectly natural". That's just how he lives right? Doesn't know anything else. But if he is aware that other people aren't always comfortable being around naked people, maybe he then keeps his pants on or makes some accommodation? Like there are so many ways you could have played this.

It's weird how adding frequent gratuitous nudity has made this feel even more repressed. It's like the anti-Oglaf.

Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.


:smith:



Grimey Drawer

You think before committing to drawing in a ton of nudity to your strip you'd make some effort to work on drawing the human figure.

Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.


:smith:



Grimey Drawer

Man in a real fantasy adventure we'd be like on our third dragon wizard fight by now.

Instead? Book purchasing.

Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.


:smith:



Grimey Drawer

Dominic Deegan is pretty much the worst written anything I've ever read. Comic, book, movie, audio play, video game, RPG, appliance instruction manual, etc.

I've probably seen worse art somewhere but as a story I can't think of a bigger failure.

This isn't as bad, yet, but that may just be because it's moving at such a glacial pace. That "cuddling" sequence, though. Man.

Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.


:smith:



Grimey Drawer

Snout is absolutely terrified of a man who has so far done... ?

This villain sucks.

Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.


:smith:



Grimey Drawer

CUBE

Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.


:smith:



Grimey Drawer

Nonverbal storytelling was sure a good idea eh Mookie

Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.


:smith:



Grimey Drawer

Went back in the thread a little and that's one of her "ink readings", but it's probably just him saying "cut it out", but it being one of her ink thingies confuses the issue

Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.


:smith:



Grimey Drawer

YOU ARE EDUCATED STUPID

Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.


:smith:



Grimey Drawer

RoboChrist 9000 posted:

I think this is honestly worse than Dominic Deegan. And I've already gone on record in this thread as saying I sincerely believe(d) DD is (was) the nadir of Human creative endeavor.
This is so breathtakingly bad. It honestly belongs in a goddamn museum.

It's hard to compare with the sheer totality of DD, but it is more boring so far. It really feels like we're going absolutely nowhere, like even if it were faster paced, there's nowhere to get to.

Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.


:smith:



Grimey Drawer

Nothing's happening, and nothing is going to happen.

Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.


:smith:



Grimey Drawer


This made me absolutely cackle. Thank you.

Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.


:smith:



Grimey Drawer

Hey, something vaguely resembling conflict!

Can't wait to see how Mookie heads this off.

Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.


:smith:



Grimey Drawer

Mors Rattus posted:

Apparently, he's not just deaf, he can't read, either.

Like I said- Snout's major handicap is not his hearing loss. It's that he's incredibly stupid.

Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.


:smith:



Grimey Drawer

Generally speaking using photographs as *reference* is usually considered fine and dandy, but you wanna be clever and transform it a bit more than that. Basically it's not the crime, it's if you get caught.

Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.


:smith:



Grimey Drawer

TheHan posted:



This week has had, what I think, are some of the worst jokes in the series. They feel like the jokes of a man who doesn't want to be here.

Louie looks like a placeholder sketch that never got replaced.

Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.


:smith:



Grimey Drawer

That is not even a gag. That's just, Snout bumps somebody, he stinks, they fly off.

Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.


:smith:



Grimey Drawer

This is literally the least dramatic way you can have a character do any kind of redemption.

Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.


:smith:



Grimey Drawer

He clearly has no idea what he wants the characters or their dynamic to be anymore. All his notecards fell on the floor and he's trying to wing it.

Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.


:smith:



Grimey Drawer

At this point I'm just emitting a slow, unending groan

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Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.


:smith:



Grimey Drawer

The strip was always bad but everything involving Mongreltown has made it worse. They've eliminated all stakes, all conflict, the search for the meaning of the disappearance of Dominic Deegan and the End of Prophecy is now some weird images in a book they found at a porno shop. That's it. That's what's happening. That's ALL that is happening.

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