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There have been several pages I read and thought, immediately and viscerally, "God, I hate this story" and this was one of them. Where does one even begin.
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RoboChrist 9000 posted:What story? I would argue that this is still a story no matter how lacking it is, but in the same sense that your coworker telling you at length about their trip to the DMV is a 'story' - ultimately it may fizzle out or go in circles due to their innate lack of storytelling ability, but that's still what it's called. Snout's POV really does carry the energy of a rambling anecdote told by someone with zero charisma. Like, he can't even stay focused on his own passion project and insists on suddenly diverging into a discussion of how much he likes to hug unconsenting strangers.
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Jul 16, 2021 17:49
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a cartoon duck posted:it's legit impossible to tell if it's a passion project, since he's doing it despite it being a failed patreon goal or whatever, or an obligation since there's zero energy in anything I meant to say that this Deegan poo poo is apparently Snout's passion project. Because yeah, you're right, the comic itself doesn't feel all that passionate. And Mookie IS making decent money off of it so passion could easily not be the primary motivator.
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Jul 16, 2021 18:21
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Rotten Red Rod posted:I wouldn't really call $1,200/mo decent money. Not to say he isn't dependent on it - I have no idea - but his Patreon hit a ceiling and stalled in growth out earlier this year. The fact he only uploads backer updates once a month can't help. I guess this depends on context - I don't remember if he has another job or if this is his primary money maker? If it's purely a side project, given the level of effort put into each page, $1200 per month doesn't seem that bad. If it were based on this comic alone that'd about $92 per page which is certainly more than I'd be willing to commission them for, given the quality/content. I'm not sure how much the additional porn doodles/Deegan extras done once per month add to the time taken but it doesn't seem like it'd be that much. Like based on my own finances $1200 is nothing to sniff at. Trying to live on that would be terrible but as supplementary income, it's not exactly trivial. If I could make an extra $1200 per month by turning out art at the level Mookie does I'd definitely consider it. Of course, this also depends on the cost of living wherever he is and all that, and how much he gets paid at his main job. It's certainly more than a lot of people get paid for their creative labors online.
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Jul 16, 2021 19:39
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Genuinely, the worldbuilding is just awful. This society doesn't behave in a way that makes any sense. It's true that if a select group of people changed the way magic worked forever in such a magic-soaked world, it's something that nations across the world would be deeply concerned with. It's not as if this happened at the same time as an apocalyptic event that destroyed all records from the time surrounding it. Prento wrote a goddamn memoir about it, and given the situation, you'd think this info would be copied and dissected in hundreds of books. There are entire institutes meant to study magic in this world... how is this not on part with the stuff that NASA gets up to in terms of cultural relevance? Or even a world war given how much it would change things for everyone? People would be making studying this phenomenon their life's work. There is no reason for this information to be hard to come by short of some kind of elaborate conspiracy meant to hide it, which is what I assumed at the start of the story. But the fact that you can just find this poo poo in the library basically disproves that completely. Also, if Prento wrote this book about them changing magic, why didn't the book contain any info about why and how they did so? It's loving baffling. Like, remember this is a world that has comic books. Books are not a particularly limited resource. Really, the only thing that separates Deegan-verse from modern life is that the internet/TV doesn't exist.
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Jul 16, 2021 21:57
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RoboChrist 9000 posted:You know, if there's anyone in the Mookieverse famous enough that they could be mononymic like Plato or Socrates, it would be Dominic and maybe Luna. If I recall correctly, one of the books he read in Arudak's library implied that Luna's name is important enough to have spiritual/religious significance because while she's usually referred to as the Watercaller some would invoke her by her true name Luna. So, like, why doesn't every well learned or spiritual orc know this? God, I swear, the longer this goes on the less sense it makes.
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Jul 20, 2021 02:12
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Codependent Poster posted:But since Deegan is such a well known figure, there's nothing to learn. Everything has already been written. There's nothing new to discover that hasn't already been found, and all he's doing is like writing a book report about Deegan rather than discovering anything new. I think you really nailed it with this. This isn't discovering lost information, it's writing a book report on what's publicly available. You could absolutely write an interesting story about rediscovering lost history but not when what you're researching is already part of public record and only news to your protagonist. Still extremely unsure why those pages that literally started the story were important and why they couldn't just be copied like any other series of words.
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Jul 20, 2021 07:33
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Twelve by Pies posted:Arudak and Ink Witch's confrontation with those two characters was apparently so uneventful that neither one of them felt it necessary to mention what happened to Snout when they reunited. And keeping in line with "What one character knows, everyone knows" in Mookie's writing, since Arudak and Ink Witch knew the confrontation was uneventful, so too does Snout, and that is why he felt no need to ask about it either. Yet another thing that Snout "Character Trait: Curiosity" Mongrelman wasn't curious enough to ask about.
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Jul 25, 2021 06:07
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Still overwhelmed that Mookie decided to have a main character who was black but then also decided to make it a character like Corpsewifemom. Also it just occurred to me that if Snout has been mute and deaf since birth he wouldn't really know how any of these names are pronounced. This is basically a neutral observation but it's something that would be interesting to hear about from a deaf person's perspective. Not that we'll get that in this story.
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Jul 26, 2021 19:44
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Yeah I guess the answer to "how could you?" is that he was raised by an extreme bigot in a culture where that was seen as acceptable. I don't think that means that he was owed the benefit of the doubt or forgiveness, but apparently despite them being so close neither of them realized he had genocidal tendencies. I do wonder if Siggy actually withheld that info or of it just never came up. Like did he change his opinion on that being okay? Or did he just think getting too radical would scare them off? I don't believe any of this gets elaborated on. But the vision does really leave one to wonder what happened between that and adulthood.
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Jul 27, 2021 06:43
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This comic is absolutely dedicated to showing the reader every time a Snout eats or sleeps even if nothing eventful happens during it.
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Jul 28, 2021 05:51
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Man I happened to be laying down while checking this thread and I decided to try replicating Corpsemom's pose. It was a pretty bad experience.
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Jul 29, 2021 01:30
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Beelzebufo posted:Yeah, my problem is more what's implied with the whole "disbanded and replaced by battlecasters" thing. Feudal societies had some civil institutions, but a big hallmark of it being a feudal society is that power is decentralized, the trust networks and fealty oaths are what keep the system going. The knights in knightly orders were historically competing powers to the landed gentry. It just annoys me that we are supposed to understand Callan as both a medieval kingdom and a modern institutional state. While the criticisms of his world building in the second paragraph feel very accurate, I do think it's barking up the wrong tree to level any criticisms at this comic that are rooted in it not being close enough to real feudal or medieval life. Very little about Dominic Deegan has operated on that level for a very long time if at all. This is a setting with comic books and rock concerts. It's been semi-modern society with a veneer of magic for most of its run. Saying "real knights don't work like that" seems kind of unfair when the comic has never tried to be anything like a historically accurate period piece, like saying a cupcake is bad because it's not a muffin. The knights are really just military using the name "knights" because it sounds like fantasy. What IS completely fair is that his world building is so non specific that while we know they aren't like medieval knights, we know little of what they ARE supposed to be. It's generally born with a vibe of things being added as needed to allow Mookie to tell whatever story he wanted to tell at that moment rather than considering the bigger picture of the world he's created. Like you pointed out, Dominic says an all battlecaster military is bad but it's absolutely unclear why. Magic use seems so normal in this setting... why would having your military be trained in it cause problems? Riot Bus fucked around with this message at 09:10 on Aug 2, 2021 |
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Aug 2, 2021 09:07
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You know, given they were having a shared dream, or at least he seems to think so, during which she's being attacked by dream vines... you'd think he'd be more concerned that she's still trapped in that dream or something. Instead of just rolling over and letting her continue to asleep. Like what if this is actually some kind of psychic attack? That would seem plausible with what he knows of her.
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Aug 14, 2021 06:59
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So.... Did she not experience the dream also? I'm guessing not since she apparently woke up with something completely different on her mind?
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Aug 16, 2021 08:22
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Yeah, Szark really does come across as a loving shallow weirdo for falling out of love with someone because they threw up while being ravaged by a virus. It's not like Dominic did something intentionally disgusting. Even beyond his murder kink he must be a terrible lover.
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Sep 3, 2021 07:22
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He's really gotta stop drawing completely unimpressive scenery while having the protagonist look at it and go 'whoa'.
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Sep 7, 2021 06:51
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He's probably going to pick Page which is just another stupid pun name that tells us nothing. The fact that all of these weren't crossed out immediately is damning though.
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Sep 8, 2021 19:52
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Until he naked spoons Arudak I will not be satisfied.
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Sep 10, 2021 07:17
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It's extremely funny that goggles that let you see magic spells and what are ostensibly teleportation pellets are illegal even though magic that does the same things are not. This setting is a genuine hellscape, and the complete lack of thought put into why these things would be illegal is astounding. Like literally the only reason for something like that is "magical tyranny."
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Sep 13, 2021 01:35
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Why not ask Arudak that question instead of writing it in your journal?
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Sep 13, 2021 07:40
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Ron Paul Atreides posted:whole lotta people either forgot to unsubscribe on Patreon or huffing nostalgia for a webcomic they read as preteens, jeeze. I think it's mostly because he does OG Dominic Deegan epilogue comics and stuff on there. The new comic is probably not a big part of the appeal. Like even as someone who feels mostly contempt for DD at this point, I've found myself curious about what the OG cast comics on the Patreon include.
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Sep 13, 2021 23:17
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Can you imagine sharing a ride with an adult man, having them spend half the time ignoring everyone else and writing in their book, only to start smearing their face on the glass without warning? I'm guessing this is supposed to be charming due to his ~childish whimsy~ but it's genuinely just so loving weird. This is some next level poo poo.
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Sep 17, 2021 06:52
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I feel like so much of this could have been made less stupid if he had shown even one panel of the other people in the ship sleeping or being busy or something. As it is, Snout seems to be bored out of his mind without even considering the other people in the ship as a potential entertainment resource. Also just, doing stupid embarrassing bullshit with other people watching him.
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Sep 20, 2021 06:38
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It's so loving funny that the ship is crashing and yet the reality of there being three other people on the ship with him isn't acknowledged at all. It's too bad he wasn't paying attention to anyone else or he might have seen what lead up to this situation.
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Sep 22, 2021 06:51
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Please give me more details on what makes this Pibgorn so bad.
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Oct 4, 2021 07:27
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I haven't read that either so regrettably that clarifies little.
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Oct 4, 2021 08:44
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Man I read the sort of first arc of Pibgorn and the most recent arc of 9CL, and early Pibgorn seemed downright normal and enjoyable in comparison so I can only imagine this man has spent twenty years getting worse.
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Oct 5, 2021 00:30
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The fact that the chandak lady dropped that drama bomb with zero build up only a few moments after they arrived is extremely funny. Also that statement feels kind of like... too vague to be devastated over. Did he come here to ask her about that or did she decide to tell him just for funzies?
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Oct 6, 2021 05:58
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Yeah gotta take off this dress that's seemingly made of sea weed to go in the lake.
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Oct 13, 2021 07:28
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Twelve by Pies posted:I still want to know what that dipshit on Twitter thinks is well written or respectful about Donovan being one of the most honored and celebrated people in the orc culture. It's literally exactly the same as Dances With Wolves/Avatar/Last Samurai where a white dude becomes so great at being another race that they accept him as one of their own. Oh except Donovan can't actually speak orcish worth a poo poo so why the hell is he respected? The most infuriating part of this is something that hasn't actually been revealed in the comic reread yet, so I guess don't read if you are invested in waiting to be angry months down the line: Donovan actually can speak Orcish just fine, he only pretends he can't and speaks in nonsense because he thinks it's funny.
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Oct 14, 2021 08:26
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Are people's penises usually way smaller than their balls when flaccid?
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Oct 17, 2021 09:23
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The twist is that Snout is a reincarnation of Luna which is why he's obsessed with Dominic.
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Oct 18, 2021 07:36
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I... what? Why? Why did she do that? Is it because he was too stupid to figure out it said "LUNA" before?
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Oct 22, 2021 05:21
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I think the idea is that they use the tusks to pierce the hardened outside of the vegetables. Though logistically that's hard to imagine.
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Nov 9, 2021 08:50
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It's really strange how, out of context, it would seem like Snout is supposed to be being sort of self centered in this interaction. Like, it's telling that in Snout's imagination, he isn't envisioning them as just being happy, he's imagining Arudak and the Ink Witch giving him attention specifically. He's imagining then being like "thanks Snout, you're so helpful and special for trying to solve our complicated problems by bothering us into fishing." Also sort of amusing is that, in contrast, the Ink Witch seems to be sad purely out of empathy for Arudak's feelings. Unless something happened we weren't shown, she's sad because he's struggling and she's not sure how to help, which makes her and Arudak's relationship innately seem more compelling. Snout just immediately went for the most surface solution possible after ignoring them for a while, with seemingly no understanding of the fact that his approach is so lacking and selfish. It's a childish solution but also deeply incurious.
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Nov 10, 2021 08:50
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There is something uniquely unsatisfying about Legacy's narrative. Not a single hook has ever been brought to a compelling conclusion, and that's when the story has the luxury of having hooks in the first place. I do think it'd be hard to do worse, even intentionally, because I think most people trying to do something badly would lean into absurdity and incoherency. For Legacy it's just page after page of nothing forever. Nobody would have the patience to do something like this on purpose.
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Nov 11, 2021 08:39
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It's very funny that it's still not been explained why Arudak and Ink Witch abandoned Snout after he got punched.
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Nov 11, 2021 20:00
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I am assuming these are diegetic messages they wrote in his journal. Also, called it on Ink Witch being sad because Arudak is sad. Beelzebufo posted:Holy poo poo Arudak, you don't even know what the story with Kazya was. Just because she fell in love with someone else doesn't even mean she was unfaithful! Yeah. And even if she was unfaithful, her cheating on him doesn't mean she hates him/wouldn't want to see him again. It would still hurt, but like, this doesn't seem like something he should just be running with outside of context.
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Was not expecting Snout to go from "I'm going to give this bad lady a talking to because she hurt my friends" to "please touch my dick" in about five seconds flat. What a pathetic guy.
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