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So am I crazy or in the flashback to the augmented reality demonstration was Beck dressed up like Steve Jobs in the background? It was too quick to tell. I loved the movie! Mysterio is such a silly villain and they managed to make him feel really truly threatening and take the "haha I made a hologram of a dinosaur!" bit I remember from the TV show feel and make it both bigger for the action sequences but also intimate and terrifying when he's confronting Peter directly. The pacing was well designed so that even when you knew he was the bad guy you felt him bonding with Peter, then it's revealed soon enough to let us behind the scenes. The fact that the villain is literally a guy in a motion capture suit is so wonderfully meta. His story is so over the top and absurd, which even he admits, but you can see him getting off on both being the hero, and getting away with it. There's an intense cruelty and vindictiveness to the character that Gyllenhall nailed. I didn't mind him becoming Iron Lad much, as other people did. He has this father figure, he dies, and you see Peter dealing with the fallout of this. He can't handle the responsibility he has and it directly affects his confidence, to the point where he's just trying to get away from his responsibility. He thinks he is doing the right thing giving up that responsibility only to learn he was played, and it's now even MORE his responsibility, at which point he grows as a character and gets his confidence back. The scene from his perspective of the dark hallway fighting drones blind was fantastic. Also it was so annoying how off Fury was and I couldn't put my place on it and it was kind of taking me out of the movie so that reveal was amazing. The "don't invoke her name" had me so confused, he'd never say that, and welp, there ya go. There was intention to so many things and it really paid off. At first I didn't like Tony's legacy being a massive oversightless tech-death panopticon, but really that's his character's ark. He didn't become a pacifist, he still built terrifying weapons, he just only trusted himself and a select few other people to use them. It wasn't the missiles he minded it was that they wound up in the wrong hands. There is however massive inconsistency into Iron Man 3, where he blows up all his suits, only to be wearing one again in the next Avengers movie, and then submitting to oversight in Civil War then apparently just back to normal into Homecoming and Infinity War. I can see him giving Peter control, but I could much more easily see him giving Captain America or War Machine control of it, or hell even Pepper? It was a stretch for sure but it didn't blast a hole in the plot for me. Should probably include better safeguards on unilateral orbital strikes on civilian targets, though, Tony.
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Tom Tucker posted:I loved the movie! I wrote a big effort post on this topic a couple pages back, you might find it interesting maybe?
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Weird that Tony didn't update his will or get rid of Edith during the five year gap though.
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I really liked this movie! They did some great stuff with Mysterio, I really liked what they did with MJ, and I really liked what they did with both of the post-credit scenes. I feel like everyone making the criticism about Peter being Iron Man Jr. are kind of missing that the movie is basically explicitly saying that Peter shouldn't be Iron Man II. To paraphrase another Spider-Man, 'don't try and do it like Tony, do it like you.' While yes, he does make his new suit in the back of Tony's jet, he does it by basically stripping out all of the cruft Tony crammed in there that often hurt more than it helped, with the only gadgets being the ones he especially picks out for the job. I mean, the last fight of Homecoming was literally Peter fighting the bad guy in his homemade costume, it seems like it's a recurring theme of these movies to me. beanieson posted:Elevator fight in winter soldier was great. If we're bringing up stuff from TV, I'm nominating the motel fight from Cloak & Dagger: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCTB2rOU18A That show's the best MCU thing nobody's heard of.
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Yvonmukluk posted:I feel like everyone making the criticism about Peter being Iron Man Jr. are kind of missing that the movie is basically explicitly saying that Peter shouldn't be Iron Man II. To paraphrase another Spider-Man, 'don't try and do it like Tony, do it like you.' While yes, he does make his new suit in the back of Tony's jet, he does it by basically stripping out all of the cruft Tony crammed in there that often hurt more than it helped, with the only gadgets being the ones he especially picks out for the job. I mean, the last fight of Homecoming was literally Peter fighting the bad guy in his homemade costume, it seems like it's a recurring theme of these movies to me. This also got helped a lot with how in the climax Peter after dismissing all the high tech stuff and just going on his own instinct he just effortlessly takes out Mysterio's drones and then Mysterio himself. As it's happening Mysterio over relies on the drones and gets himself shot like a chump. Like the movie goes out of its way in the climax to show that Spider-Man is better than Mysterio because they both got access to the technology and Mysterio like, externalizes it to control everything while Spider-Man internalizes it to make a suit that just works with what he wants to do specifically to glide around a bit/etc. and work with what his abilities already are. Mysterio fully buys into his own bullshit and I liked that a lot.
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I liked this movie a lot, I just got out of it. It's a breath of fresh air compared to the older spiderman movies, and without the Tony and other MCU connections I probably just wouldn't care to see the third take on a friendly neighborhood spiderman, that gets cancelled/has a failure of a film before he can ever really evolve. I hope the next movie has him be a little more confident and ready to be a hero, because his constant Am I Really Good Enough stuff is starting to bore me. I liked this take on Mysterio a lot. his legitimate belief that he is a good guy and not a mass murderer was legitimately unsettling. The fact that he could legitimately threaten to murder all his associates for the projector mistake, then tell one of them that he was at fault for how he now HAS to kill spiderman was actually very Real to me. I liked that this one showcased more of Peter's intelligence (if not also his naivety) and how when given the tools he could make something just as well as Tony could, if not better for what he needed, as compared to homecoming and infinity war/endgame where it was all Tony sourced with 0 Peter work.
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Just got back from seeing this. Didn't quite like it as much as Homecoming, but I still thought it was good. I enjoy smaller scale super hero stories a lot more nowadays. But I guess Spider-Man is the new face of the MCU and this is their way of ramping up to that. Jake Gyllenhal did a great job as always. Seeing JK Simmons back as JJJ at the very end was probably the only time I've ever shouted in a movie theatre
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I enjoyed Far From Home a lot (it's a great date movie IMO) but I also really, really hope the spiderverse people get another crack at Spiderman.
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Just got back from this and really enjoyed it. The mid credit scene adds nicely to my own little fantasy for Sacha Baron Cohen, as the Chameleon, to mock Spider-Man with his ability to blend in and disappear while Peter Parker can never escape the public eye.
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a helpful bear posted:I enjoyed Far From Home a lot (it's a great date movie IMO) but I also really, really hope the spiderverse people get another crack at Spiderman. The head of the studio confirm it was in production as of a few weeks ago. They have a director and writer. The bigger question is how many movies or shows they make in that universe. They have the sequel and one other movie confirmed. There are also a few other projects in early stages.
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Am I the only one who is absolutely sick of Peter's classmates and teachers? Every single one of them is a comic relief character. Like I don't think there was a serious line spoken by any of them.
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Mulderman posted:Am I the only one who is absolutely sick of Peter's classmates and teachers? Every single one of them is a comic relief character. Like I don't think there was a serious line spoken by any of them. peter’s classmates and teachers are much more entertaining as comic relief and im not sure what meaningful dynamics you could wring out of a serious portrayal. like, does anyone want an exploration of the rich interior life of “popular blonde girl” or “hot popular guy?” removing them entirely, meanwhile, saps the film of its premise and its energy.
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Jul 16, 2019 15:28
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Young Adult action-drama is bad and I'm glad these movies have avoided it.
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Loser white guy science teacher dragged the entire film down very hard and Smoove shoulda been the only chaperone
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Jul 16, 2019 15:35
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I absolutely hate comedy in my comedies.
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I'm not saying cut out all comedy entirely, but did we REALLY need 2 wacky teachers along for the ride?
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Mulderman posted:I'm not saying cut out all comedy entirely, but did we REALLY need 2 wacky teachers along for the ride? yes
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comedy is cool and good and so are both of pete’s teachers
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Mulderman posted:I'm not saying cut out all comedy entirely, but did we REALLY need 2 wacky teachers along for the ride? One of them is Martin Starr and the other is JB Smoove, so yes, absolutely
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Even though it was in the trailer the quick scene of the kid talking about how inspirational Spider-Man is and then calling Peter a dick to his face was really good. The fat sidekick and his girlfriend c-plot was *pulls out megaphone* IT WAS BAD, OP
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Mulderman posted:I'm not saying cut out all comedy entirely, but did we REALLY need 2 wacky teachers along for the ride? Do you remember when these movies weren't straight comedies. I have IV drip of Thor the Dark World right here if you're in need my man.
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Anyone in the mood for some Iron Man 2.
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MiddleOne posted:Do you remember when these movies weren't straight comedies. I have IV drip of Thor the Dark World right here if you're in need my man. I don't necessarily agree but I get their point. It's one thing to skew more comedic, but making nearly 100% of the supporting cast comic relief could be a little much. Like the first movie had Ned and you saw the others in the class occasionally but Liz was at least serious and there was a fairly equal amount of Happy/Tony and May to balance things out, plus at least some of the school authority figures were serious (the principal who gives Pete detention, the teacher who catches Ned in "the chair"). Here Peter was isolated from May and Happy for much of the movie (and yeah, that's even in the title!) and the only other supporting characters he had were the extremely antagonistic Nick Fury and then basically a traveling comedy troupe.
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MiddleOne posted:Do you remember when these movies weren't straight comedies. I have IV drip of Thor the Dark World right here if you're in need my man. There are no shades of gray. Just black or white. Gotcha.
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Mulderman posted:There are no shades of gray. Just black or white. Gotcha. Yeah it's pretty dark in Thor the Dark World. I think that's implied. Guy A. Person posted:Here Peter was isolated from May and Happy for much of the movie (and yeah, that's even in the title!) and the only other supporting characters he had were the extremely antagonistic Nick Fury and then basically a traveling comedy troupe. Counterpoint: this movie is the sequel to Endgame, the most dramatic these movies have ever gotten. There needed to be some levity again and Spiderman as they've established it in Homecoming is the best to do it with bar Thor post-Ragnarok. MiddleOne fucked around with this message at 19:45 on Jul 16, 2019 |
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MiddleOne posted:Anyone in the mood for some Iron Man 2. Elon Musk paying Disney money to give him a cameo is still extremely funny to me.
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Thor: Ragnarok is funnier than all of the Hangover movies put together. It’s the best buddy cop movie I’ve seen in years. All the other Thors are MEGATRASH tho
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You know who the biggest winner in all this was? Jon Favreau. He has such a poo poo time directing Iron Man 2 that he goes "you know what Marvel Studios? I'm done. I'm gonna make an indie movie that's a thinly gently caress you. But I'll still act in them. And I'll make a couple live action Disney remakes. And a Star Wars show. And I get to make out with Marisa Tomei."
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"I don't care if you cut it, we're filming that love scene."
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Favreau made a movie that was a gently caress you to marvel?
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beanieson posted:Favreau made a movie that was a gently caress you to marvel? Chef — Dustin Hoffman's character is a stand-in for Marvel Studios.
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Bust Rodd posted:Thor: Ragnarok is funnier than all of the Hangover movies put together. It’s the best buddy cop movie I’ve seen in years. Ragnarok is one of the funniest comedies in years. teagone posted:Chef But Chef was a good movie though...?
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MiddleOne posted:Ragnarok is one of the funniest comedies in years. I never said it was a bad movie. It's good. Dustin Hoffman's character was a stand-in for Marvel Studios.
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teagone posted:Chef — Dustin Hoffman's character is a stand-in for Marvel Studios. Well I’ll have to check that out, thanks
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teagone posted:I never said it was a bad movie. It's good. Dustin Hoffman's character was a stand-in for Marvel Studios. Why are you making me want to rewatch Chef. 
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beanieson posted:Well I’ll have to check that out, thanks It's available to stream on Prime Video if you have an account. MiddleOne posted:Why are you making me want to rewatch Chef. You should! I've seen it two or three times. Fun, nice little movie. Especially if you're a foodie and like to cook, heh.
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Stop hitting all my preferences! 
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