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Backweb posted:Circumstances surrounding Epstein's death open up the discussion to a broad, wide ranging subject. You don't go from math teacher to billionaire hedge fund manager at a school with a history of child abuse without having a shitload of weird connections. No, because this thread was interesting before he came along and made it about him. We were talking about stuff with real world grounding in the behavior of the CIA and elites being edgelord fuckwits before he spewed his vomit everywhere.
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StratGoatCom posted:No, because this thread was interesting before he came along and made it about him. We were talking about stuff with real world grounding in the behavior of the CIA and elites being edgelord fuckwits before he spewed his vomit everywhere. My friend, by all means, post some content.
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COMPAGNIE TOMMY posted:When I think of the British political scandal about trafficking young boys to be abused in the 1970s, the average person can't put a face to many of the names. By contrast the Epstein case is completely engrossing from a tabloid perspective because so many of the people implicated are famous and well-known. But by such a bright spotlight being cast on it and saying it's been wrapped up because Epstein is dead, I feel like the enduring child trafficking operations are that much more enshadowed. it's the american dream , anyone can be a star
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StashAugustine posted:has anyone written stuff about trump's mob ties? its been pinging around since i heard about the roy cohn-meyer lansky connection; seems like there was some stuff about it during the election but kinda got dropped afterwards This article ends up going off a real deep end of Russiagate stuff, but it starts out with some useful connection-making: https://gregolear.substack.com/p/tinker-tailor-mobster-trump
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okay so my hunch which i'm sure many of you share is that while at interlochen as a student, epstein was groomed and conditioned via abuse. i can't figure out why he specifically was selected. but there is an interesting parallel here in the uk, where our elites are sent to boarding schools where sexual abuse is rampant. they are taught by their parents and peers etc to believe this is something you have to experience to "get on" in life. then when they go into politics and business they direct their resentment and trauma at people lower down the pecking order than themselves. it goes back 100s of years, elites conditioning their children via abuse in order to keep the system ticking over.
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Sep 13, 2020 17:23
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gh0stpinballa posted:okay so my hunch which i'm sure many of you share is that while at interlochen as a student, epstein was groomed and conditioned via abuse. i can't figure out why he specifically was selected. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Z4SlvETGng
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gh0stpinballa posted:okay so my hunch which i'm sure many of you share is that while at interlochen as a student, epstein was groomed and conditioned via abuse. i can't figure out why he specifically was selected. This is the content I'm here for. I'd be leery - some abusers are abused themselves, and you're describing a real thing, but, well, I think he might not so much have been conditioned, but interested in either product or procurement and chosen as a disposable moron. I could see him being groomed into it mind you.
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it always seemed like he was very deliberately sent to some Interlochen summer program rather than invited and apparently he studied some bs like how to be a disk jockey it doesnt make any sense and ive always wondered why he was there but its just a complete dead end
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StratGoatCom posted:This is the content I'm here for. yeah i'm wary of saying being abused means you'll become an abuser, apologies if i seemed like i was saying that, but i do think it's a useful conditioning tool for certain sicko types in high places. definitely agree epstein was just a middle manager, useful idiot, not a real boss in any way. a fixer/procurer/pimp type deal.
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gh0stpinballa posted:yeah i'm wary of saying being abused means you'll become an abuser, apologies if i seemed like i was saying that, but i do think it's a useful conditioning tool for certain sicko types in high places. I think the point was less "abuse makes abusers" and more "being brought up in an environment in which abuse is normalized and rampant can normalize abuse for the already inclined." Epstein was absolutely just a middle man, and an easily sacrificed scape goat. He didn't exactly keep a low profile. My conspiracy hypothesis is that qanon is an op to draw attention away from the real pedophile elite and Epstein was sacrificed to further the Q conspiracy. Also, this thread is nothing but speculation until Maxwell gets suicided, free Cuppy Tea so that speculation can get fun.
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gh0stpinballa posted:okay so my hunch which i'm sure many of you share is that while at interlochen as a student, epstein was groomed and conditioned via abuse. i can't figure out why he specifically was selected. I believe this is also reasonably documented in Catholic seminaries, where students are abused by older students or teachers and the institutionalized recourse is merely to "pray for" the abuser, creating the model for priestly abuse in their parochial roles.
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500excf type r posted:My understanding is only people with certain patterns already established on their netflix account received the provocative children promo stuff No, it's that Netflix's system is to make multiple thumbnails, and then show users a random one, weighted towards the ones that over time get the highest engagement. You don't have to be a pedo to have seen that on a Netflix screen, think "wtf?!" and highlight it to get a better look. A lot of people do that, across all demographic, and the algorithm starts showing the sexualized thumbnail to everyone, because it gets the clicks. Farm Frenzy posted:yea they made a bunch of different thumbnails and the algorithm tested them on different demographcis and it happened to show the weird dance scene one to someone with a big twitter yeh Doc Hawkins has issued a correction as of 18:11 on Sep 13, 2020 |
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OutOfPrint posted:I think the point was less "abuse makes abusers" and more "being brought up in an environment in which abuse is normalized and rampant can normalize abuse for the already inclined." I think Q was organic, but sooner or later some folks associated with this outfit figured out how to yank it's chains. quote:
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Impkins Patootie posted:it always seemed like he was very deliberately sent to some Interlochen summer program rather than invited and apparently he studied some bs like how to be a disk jockey it doesnt make any sense and ive always wondered why he was there but its just a complete dead end interlochen is a summer music camp, i thought. i knew people who went to it, or at least knew about it as kids. i did summer music camp at the University down the street instead.
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Doc Hawkins posted:No, it's that Netflix's system is to make multiple thumbnails, and then show users a random one, weighted towards the ones that over time get the highest engagement. netflix literally tweeted out the creepy dance scene splash themselves and then shamed people for thinking it was creepy by saying "Uhhh Actually The movie is French???"
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I have to say these people who spend all day on the internet as "pedohunters" are insanely sus.
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jerry seinfel posted:netflix literally tweeted out the creepy dance scene splash themselves and then shamed people for thinking it was creepy by saying "Uhhh Actually The movie is French???" its cool imo to think of how many sign offs and meetings and concept art and execs and camera people and directors etc that all went through and no one with any power stopped it or even wrote a tepid 'we're sorry this happened' statement in advance lol
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Sep 13, 2020 18:38
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Bip Roberts posted:I have to say these people who spend all day on the internet as "pedohunters" are insanely sus. Anyway nobodys saying you cant criticize how cuties gets across its message just that theres a difference between 'poorly executed attempt to criticize sexualization of children' and 'literal child porn'
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Dog the bounty hunter is def gonna rebrand as a pedo hunter guy
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StratGoatCom posted:Cuppy killed a good discussion thread about the behavior of our elites by making it about his generic conspiracy word salad with gross things about the holocaust. So, this post is obviously loving antisemitic. Could we perma StratGoatCom? This is serious. Awful app won't let me report. 
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the thread, because I want to read about loving Epstein, not some useless shitheel posting hosed up poo poo about jewish community leaders sacrificing their people to bahomet or whatever, or how his perma wasn't deserved.
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Awful app does not have post-reporting capabilities. StratGoatCom posted:I think Q was organic *shits on poster posting content* *makes thread all about self while accusing content-poster of the same* OH YA KNOW THIS QANON THING IS OBVIOUSLY SOMETHING SOMEONE ARRIVED AT THROUGH CONNECTING DISPARATE EVENTS, BUT gently caress THAT ONE GUY FOR SAYING NAZIS KILLED JEWS AND MAKING THE THREAD ABOUT HIMSELF!
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Tubgoat posted:Awful app does not have post-reporting capabilities. Brain poison about preplanned human sacrifice isn't loving content, loser. There's quite a few possible scenarios, and while the pedo cabal has a lotta power, they ain't loving god. I suspect this rear end in a top hat started it himself, then the cabal co-opted him in some fashion - considering what goes down on 8chan, they probably just had to do what they have a lotta practice in, namely proffer their favored brand of forbidden fruit. StratGoatCom has issued a correction as of 21:17 on Sep 13, 2020 |
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StratGoatCom posted:they ain't loving god. Also, I don't know what loving history books you've been reading, but World War I was LITERALLY orchestrated by the world's predator class to break international solidarity between the proletariat and destroy wealth and lives, for no coherent military goal. Does it make a single neutrino of practical difference whether the predators all held hands and chanted "Hail Satan!" first? Tubgoat has issued a correction as of 21:24 on Sep 13, 2020 |
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Tubgoat posted:Awful app does not have post-reporting capabilities. Yes it does I just reported this post as a test
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Giga Gaia posted:its cool imo to think of how many sign offs and meetings and concept art and execs and camera people and directors etc that all went through and no one with any power stopped it or even wrote a tepid 'we're sorry this happened' statement in advance lol Having worked in a corporate media environment I think that, much like governments, people assume a level of oversight and competency that simply doesn't exist. If there were meetings over everything nothing would get done. it's a shocking short distance from a cat lady in a cubicle to public consumption. We once had to fire somebody for publishing an article that got interfered with by a humourous filter they had. There was no meeting or oversight before she could send things out to be public because processes in general just assume everything is working as it should until there's a problem. I bet that Cuties pic was done by a guy in a cubicle who's work has never been noticed before because he has the job of creating American-focused cover images for little heard of foreign films. The big mistake was someone choosing that one image for social media but again I bet that was one guy in his 20s who figured it was provocative but French and that combination made it okay. I dunno but I'm just saying to assume this image went though a boardroom of old men in suits stroking their chins and nodding in approval is to give Netflix a hell of a lot of credit. Look at the computer of the guy who made it for sure though. e: can't spell apparently jojoinnit has issued a correction as of 21:47 on Sep 13, 2020 |
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This is kind of related to what I'm talking about - there is a pedo cabal, and it does have power, but it's as reactive and opportunistic as elites always have been - and they're certainly not brighter then any other group of capitalist elites.
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gh0stpinballa posted:okay so my hunch which i'm sure many of you share is that while at interlochen as a student, epstein was groomed and conditioned via abuse. i can't figure out why he specifically was selected. If you're talking about regular grooming, he was too old. If you're talking about the stuff that we know is possible that's like a less lurid MKUltra, he was wayyyy too old. No matter what paradigm you research this through, whether it's purely clinical, modern neurology-influenced-psychiatry, the whole Jesuit maxim "give me a child until he is seven, and I shall have him all his life" is pretty much correct. This stuff is basically operant conditioning combined with induced personality disorders. Interlochen may very well be awful, but it's not when this stuff starts. Of course the really extreme versions of the MKUltra stuff, like the multiple personalities and trigger words and perfect recall and all that, all very specifically includes that idea in its origin story, for whatever reason - you can't just do it to ordinary kids off the street, it has to start super early and most of the "successful" MKUltra agents were from families were there was multi-generational abuse combined with special talents for dissociation. I assume that's basically to give the whole thing a level of ""plausibility through lack of comparitive basis", ie, if you think it sounds like horseshit and you're aware of all the psychiatric studies that suggest it's probably not possible, even if you were yourself abused, there's the fudge factor of "sure were you abused, but were you super ritually abused and had to watch other kids murdered in front of you and eat babies" and so on and so forth. Endorph posted:Anyway nobodys saying you cant criticize how cuties gets across its message just that theres a difference between 'poorly executed attempt to criticize sexualization of children' and 'literal child porn' It's common enough knowledge in education, psychiatric, LE circles etc etc that pedos will use "innocuous" footage of kids as porn, and there's become a market in shooting just that kind of stuff with a sheen of "plausible deniability" to the point where any director trying to make a film about these issues should have known about it herself and shot her scenes with much more caution. There's also the unanswered questions of her own exploitation of these girls, whether kids are capable of consenting to act in these sorts of films or shows, no matter how well-intentioned. On top of that, there are lots and lots of best practices for this kind of stuff, and none of the libs defending this solely out of reaction formation seem to be remotely interested in investigating how well they were followed, or whether this woman was asking herself those questions. Maybe it's not "child porn", but regardless, it's absolutely a case of some adults using a performance of a kid that the kid is way too young to fully understand or consent to, in the knowledge that performance will be sexualized, relying on the kids naivete and innocence to get away with it and keep them from realizing the power dynamic. It's deeply hosed up.
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HELLO LADIES posted:If you're talking about regular grooming, he was too old. If you're talking about the stuff that we know is possible that's like a less lurid MKUltra, he was wayyyy too old. epstein was 14 when he want to interlochen that doesn't seem too old for grooming
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StratGoatCom posted:This is kind of related to what I'm talking about - there is a pedo cabal, and it does have power, but it's as reactive and opportunistic as elites always have been - and they're certainly not brighter then any other group of capitalist elites. just because they aren’t particularly bright doesn’t mean they don’t have an entire system in place to help support them in most anyway they want. and when you have blackmail on most of the power players in the world you don’t actually have to be smart. It actually seems like Epstein/Maxwell were plain narcissistic morons.
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jojoinnit posted:Having worked in a corporate media environment I think that, much like governments, people assume a level of oversight and competency that simply doesn't exist. If there were meetings over everything nothing would get done. ive worked at multi billion dollar multinational corporations and your experience here is 100% the opposite of mine lol. there is absolutely no way netflix bought the french child sexuality movie and somehow did zero standards and practices on it
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Trabisnikof posted:epstein was 14 when he want to interlochen that doesn't seem too old for grooming Grooming "and conditioning". Like, there's a level of conditioning/Stockholm Syndrome/personality subversion that happens in people who are abused as very young children and grow up in extremely chaotic and unstable environments, and basically raised not to be able to function/trust in the wider culture. It's not anything as total as the goals of MUltra/the rumored successors are supposed to be, but it's a real phenomenon. Even victims of early childhood abuse that's systematic within the family or community, cult members, etc, overcome it enough to break that "conditioning" pretty routinely and become fairly normal members of society, it's just harder for them. Even for that level of "real poo poo that MKUltra is clearly based on/an attempt to make a stronger verson of", fourteen years old is pretty late. For people who have pretty normal childhoods, abuse in adolescence can still end up with a certain level of conditioning/trauma bonding/personality subversion in both sexualized and non-sexualized contexts: look at frats, certain sports (ie the recent revelations about hazing in junior hockey), gangs, even "falling in with a bad crowd". Identifying with your bullies/oppressors or even just being a normal kid not willing to stand up for your values out of fear of not fitting in, defying authority, or retaliation happens to teenagers with depressing regularity, but they just as regularly break out of it again later, even fairly heinous poo poo. Even cults lose members who were born into it all the time. If Epstein was just groomed as a teenager at a school completely divorced from the rest of his life to date, that is way too unpredictable a basis to recruit people to be cult minions when you're talking about suborning and blackmailing dudes with nuclear access codes. Basically, if the thesis is just "he went to Interlochen at fourteen and that's where they used sexual abuse to turn him into one of their minions", either the abuse and psychological subversion/attachment issues started much younger, or he was in some way inherently prone to becoming a psycho, and they're able to recognize that and develop it. HELLO LADIES has issued a correction as of 02:40 on Sep 15, 2020 |
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Giga Gaia posted:ive worked at multi billion dollar multinational corporations and your experience here is 100% the opposite of mine lol. there is absolutely no way netflix bought the french child sexuality movie and somehow did zero standards and practices on it
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jojoinnit posted:Totally fair, I don't work at Netflix or anything adjacent to that. just sharing my personal experience. I honestly don't think this was a big get and would have gotten notice outside of that poster. It's a niche French film by a first time female director, not exactly Roma territory. i mean id be 100% with you if it were like... some dog poo poo indie movie like Pot Zombies 2. just buy it and throw out a tweet. give justin powers $12 and a pizza. win
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