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SlimGoodbody posted:Yesterday a train engineer tried to derail a train into the USNS Mercy ship that was docked outside of LA as a hospital overflow location because he said it was suspicious and didn't think it was there for the official reasons I think the engineer is too embarrassed to admit he gets horny about train crashes and invented this story as a way to cover the truth/
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Trabisnikof posted:the DB stuff reminds me of that bank that was the #1 CIA money launderer and also a massive launderer for a bunch of other criminals but then one day CIA switched banks and then they got busted and some of the bank execs got killed (I think). Nugan Hand?
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StashAugustine posted:you might be conflating it with the banco ambrosiano scandal where a bank connected to the vatican was laundering mafia money for the freemasons to funnel to fascists; the guy running the bank was found hanging from a bridge Spergin Morlock posted:P2 lodge? I almost posted something about this too. If I recall, P2 was not just any old masonic lodge but an "illegal" lodge. Also it was the organizing force behind an aborted pro-fascist coup in Italy during the 1970s. Trabisnikof posted:maybe but I thought it was a bank the CIA used before the 70s. For some more info on the Nugan Hand bank affair, take a look at this old usenet post bedpan has issued a correction as of 03:31 on Jul 22, 2020 |
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Tubgoat posted:Paying for sex sounds WAY more bleak than just being garden variety unfuckable. if it helps they were probably getting swindled out of the sex and instead were just getting worked liked at a "host" bar
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mdemone posted:not every sex worker regrets their work, and not every john feels sad to be a customer. I bet plenty of those johns feel sad for getting conned at a Bahrain clip joint!
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also the ones that can't borrow any money from their friends and have to go back to the base and tell one of the senior enlisted personnel that they lost their paycheck
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Vashro posted:What does egg shaped penis even mean? when epstein looked down he saw an egg
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Spergin Morlock posted:he had a chode I always saw Epstein as Chode 2.0: a hardboiled egg emerging from his groin. No visible shaft or bell end, just an egg. Or a shield boss.
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smoobles posted:I'm just catching up, were there any somethingburgers in the released docs, or just more confirmation that Dersh is a rapist? further confirmation that Bill Clinton was a frequent flier of lolita air and loved palling around with Epstein
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taqueso posted:Epstein had a black friend. And his name was Albert Einstein.
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gradenko_2000 posted:even before the OPCW issue (which is still important, mind, because it confirms the problem), we already had journalist Robert Fisk going into Douma and figuring out that what had happened was people getting choked from all the dust stirred up by bombings and then having water poured down their throats to clear out the dust, except since they're not speaking in English, you can put whatever voice-over/translation/subtitling you want from a video of all that happening and make people think that it was a chemical attack Do I see epstein in that picture too?
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Fiend posted:If I had a large geneology database and not moral quandaries, what could I enable? Someone with deep pockets and needs the ability to find an exact tissue type for a rich client with a failing organ? I am thinking either a geneological matchmaking service (find a mate who will improve your bloodline!) or a DNA background check but for disease risk so that insurers can price in increases to bad DNA.
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gradenko_2000 posted:Free cuppy tea
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gh0stpinballa posted:can a non US citizen submit a FOI request to the US government, i am chasing something thread pertinent I'll file the FOIAs for you, if you want. Your podcast really helped to break my Dad's brain so it is the least I can do.
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gh0stpinballa posted:ha, thanks, glad he likes it. as long as it won't put you on a fed shitlist somewhere, that would be a big help. i will PM you tomorrow i'm still skimming this FBI doc that made me ask. atm i don't know if it's something they would even talk about, it says this...issue...is "secret level" as of the writing of this report in 1992/3 so it may still be designated as such. I don't have PMs. I'll send you an email to your podcast email though. I am probably on a list anyway for having sent in FOIA requests about "LF tried to kill a president" stuff. Edit: I just sent an email to your gmail account! This probably won't be just one FOIA, but a bunch of them as we try to get around the footdragging and intentional misunderstanding on behalf of the FBI/whoever. bedpan has issued a correction as of 00:02 on Oct 26, 2020 |
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Happy Thread posted:That was you? Do you have a response to the claim that's floating around that your FOIA didn't work / turned up zero results, not because the secret service visit didn't happen---but because of the idea that the Feds uncharitably misinterpret every detail you request unless you use the exact magic wording they're looking for? Possible or no? Curious to hear if your take on it --- the difference determines whether LF's shutdown was a false flag or not. That indeed was me. Had Lowtax not already been outed as massive liar, I wouldn't have shared the results of the FOIA request because goons would have flooded in from everywhere to denigrate other goons and defend lowtax, as happened anyway. The Feds are known for intentionally misinterpreting FOIA requests, and I recognize that short of a lawsuit there is nothing that will be definitive proof, but people do submit FOIA requests all the time and do get answers. Even crazily worded and misspelled FOIA requests. Significantly, I haven't seen any of the people who claimed the FOIA requests were bad and useless giving other wording or advice. I have had people say that the FOIA to the Secret Service was stupid and bad because the records would be with the FBI. I filed a FOIA request with the FBI too and when that came back with "no records," the response from the crowd was that I had fumbled it again. I think the people, of which there are many, who enjoy the story of "LF got the SS called on Lowtax four times," are committed to the story being true rather than just another story. You also have plenty of overlap with the people who like to attack CSPAM/leftist forums with "well which forum got the SS called on lowtax," and that is a cudgel too valuable to drop without protest. This goon might have a better perspective than me though: Shageletic posted:i worked in a foia search type office. Depends, but the person working it (pulling tapes, docs, emails, etc), who's inevitably an attorney, tries to do their best attempt at fulfilling what they think the person meant even if it wasn't precisely uttered.
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HELLO LADIES posted:Plenty, because the more important part of the Epstein scandal is that it shows the existence of extremely widespread, international blackmail rings that have kept massive dirt on politicians at the very highest levels for years, that are capable of assassinating a dude in the middle of the most secure facility in America and either framing the entire US justice system under it's nose or have compromised it so much it is indistinguishable, and are so adept at propaganda that even in a deeply divided electorate that will go rabid over the most bland poo poo on both sides as evidence of high crimes and misdemeanors to "hah hah funny meme" and a blatantly fake conspiracy right in the public eye. I'm going to spend more time reading this later but thank you for this post, I appreciate it.
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Ramrod Hotshot posted:I think I've tried this tack, and the general feeling I get in response is that MKUltra is ancient history, so it doesn't apply to today, and where's the PROOF that Epstein is a CIA op? They cover their tracks more thoroughly these days, and have successfully portrayed themselves as a benign government agency that provides "intelligence". Are there recent, fairly clear examples of the CIA meddling in democracy, here or abroad, or terrorizing individuals, especially if they're innocent? I'm trying to convince libs here. Hmm, writing off MKUltra as ancient history is an admission that the End of History has arrived. I don't think much progress will be made in changing the mind of someone who has bought into that notion, but if you want something more recent, the investigation and strangeness of The Finders might begin to plant a few seeds of doubt. There are also things like Manuel Noriega being a CIA asset, smuggling drugs to finance terrorists, and CIA involvement in torture and secret prisons, but I don't think any of those will be decisively seen as "bad." bedpan has issued a correction as of 20:41 on Nov 28, 2020 |
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Wasabi the J posted:So this thread just believes QAnon is real and the CIA just did a coup, right? FDR assassinated Wiley Post. Handicap parking spaces are invasion points for the UN Army. The CIA funds its secret operations with the Kosher food inspection tax.
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Wasabi the J posted:Yeah sorry there's a shitload of wwg1g1wgwg Wasabi the J posted:I'm beginning to think QAnon is a genuine social manipulation scheme. Spy or 4chan IDK. gently caress I hate the internet. Wasabi the J posted:Now I never said "kill". Wasabi the J posted:Ok but what did that have to do with the xfiles? Wasabi the J posted:It's a QAnon thing. Wasabi the J posted:Is this q anon poo poo? Wasabi the J posted:What if they're all monsters? Wasabi the J posted:And that's exactly what the QAnon poo poo was tailor made to pander to.
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From a central bank perspective, having 50 billion of your paper currency vanish is a good thing because it is like 50 billion in free money. The system is functioning as designed.
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Bip Roberts posted:The coolest thing the CIA did was paradrop tons of ex-nazis into eastern bloc countries where they got immediately captures and sent back the message "send more dudes" before they got executed the message was "send more dudes" and "send more money" and "send more equipment" CIA financed a whole bunch of east bloc intelligence services through captured cash
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poo poo POST MALONE posted:is there a name for that operation and a wiki article I can read? I'll look around for it. Off the top of my head, the attempts to deliver agents to Albania were unsuccessful and bloody. And it was the Polish secret police that got themselves funded through captured cash.
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nut posted:newest is that Warner was a computer expert who feared 5g was being used to spy on Americans lol well he wasn't wrong
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A whole lot of schemes and intelligence programs existed before PROMIS, but it was PROMIS that linked all of them together
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Tubgoat posted:I just assume the CIA-aligned forces destroyed it. gh0stpinballa might know more but it looks like the seed bank's contents were saved. then taken out of the country never to return again to syria.
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gh0stpinballa posted:after reading abt PROMIS and epstein, i became interested in what i believe felix biederman called the melancholy of the deep state when he was talking abt MGS. where the la li lu le lo's plans become so absurdly complicated and nonsensical that it's unclear even to them what their goals actually are after a certain point. they hide the truth right in the open by drowning themselves and us in information and errata, and they have deranged themselves and society in the process. feels appropriate when thinking thru the way that real world shadow powers have warped our reality. The PROMIS saga seems to be the #1 example of this type of strategy of limited hangout/disinformation/information campaign. Researching PROMIS is really difficult because there is just so much stuff. People in every continent have poured out entire lives researching how PROMIS impacted their corner of the globe, only to discover that they were just a small fraction of the overall. The FBI, NSA, CIA, US Justice Department, US bankruptcy courts, and more have released ream after ream of PROMIS connected documents, as have foreign countries and their services, and despite the wealth of information, and the many investigations over the years, it seems like we know less, rather than more about PROMIS. The crown jewels of the program could easily be in one of the documents, or be deduced from a handful of documents, but we will never know because processing all the information and identifying the connections is impossible. PROMIS really is an example of "the more you know, the less you understand," and describing it in any brevity to normal people is essentially impossible. You start to talk about 80s computer programs, CIA banks, pedophile rings, dope dealers, triple and quadruple agents, osama bin laden, actual and theorized intelligence operations, fascist stay-behind networks, etc. and there is still so much more to tell. By this time, your audience has long since written you off as a crank and the more you try and convince them that "no, this is the thread that links it all together," the more they begin to look for the door. Funnily enough, the tool that would help anyone actually make a coherent narriative out of all of this is. . .a piece of software just like PROMIS. Real hurthling! posted:do we know how PROMIS became compromised into a spy tool and specifically what info a target country would put into it that makes it so valuable to the cia? The largest deficit I've seen in all of the PROMIS research and reporting to date is that no one ever even attempts to sketch out what PROMIS was in practice and how it operated. The "middle part" is crossed out and the phrase "spy poo poo" written in and the matter skipped. Privately, I've been trying to answer this question recently. I've heard about PROMIS since the early 90s mentioned in connection to everything under the sun but as for how it operated and why it was so useful, aside from vague generalities that is, no one speaks. There is a mundane beginning and answer to this problem: normal people, and the media specifically, neither understand nor communicate the technical aspects of PROMIS. Ordinally, you might be able to skim over this as just more spy stuff, as in the case of listening devices or satellites, but PROMIS was a computer program designed to address certain computing challenges and can't as easily be set aside. To answer your questions perhaps, first step back before INSLAW became entangled in PROMIS, to one of the earlier mentions I've seen of the program: a 1974/75 manual from the NSA discussing how to operate a system called "Product Related on-Line Management Information System - PROMIS, but for the NSA in the 1970s. I don't bring this up to then say "OMG NSA SPOOK OP FROM THE START" but to highlight a really important point often missed in the discussion of INSLAW PROMIS: that PROMIS was a public domain software platform available to anyone with a need to manage and search multiple databases. INSLAW was contracted to modify and install PROMIS for the justice department, the FBI uses a version of PROMIS called FROMIS (supposedly stolen from INSLAW, but that is another story), health record software is called "Patient-Reported Outcomes Measurement Information System," school districts have a version called "Public Records Online Management Information System," the Australian Federal Police use something called "Police Realtime Online Management Information System," Head Start, yes the preschool people use "Program Resources and Outcomes Management Information System," and the list goes on and on. Anyone that had "big data" (ugh) needs would use PROMIS-style software to manage and manipulate all the datastores. PROMIS was a known software platform, which is why it was the Justice Department who originally asked INSLAW for a support and modification contract, and not the other way around. The Justice Department needed a tool to manage their cases and the many pieces of information connected to the cases and they started with the best option circa 1970: PROMIS but as "Prosecutors Management Information System," and INSLAW had the initial contract to service the needs of the Justice Department. Something that both the Justice Department and INSLAW recognized even before the contract was signed is that the rise of 32-bit "minicomputers" in the early 1980s made a colossal amount of processing power available for a comparatively bargain price. A 32-bit minicomputer could fit in a closet or next to a desk; a 32-bit mainframe computer occupied an entire room. INSLAW was commissioned, as far as I can judge, to install a 16-bit version on some available systems but to also develop an upgraded, super duper slick version of PROMIS but for the new 32-bit machines. They did both of these tasks, but in the latter case, they were far too inspired and masterful for their own good. There is a lot more to say and one day I might type it all up! bedpan has issued a correction as of 22:13 on Feb 4, 2021 |
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Stairmaster posted:question as someone who thinks 9/11 was an inside job: why dont they do it again this capitol stuff is weak poo poo answer: 9/11 worked because it was planned and implemented by foreigners who cared a god drat about something more than a paycheck and an entry on their resume. 1/6 was a bunch of imbeciles, provocateurs, and literal handled confidential agents and informants who could never fundamentally grasp that what they needed to do after the legislature fled in panic was either burn the capitol building down or establish a new government. No one walked to the capitol that day expecting success. The guy carrying around the speaker of the houses' podium? The "insurrection" was over in that moment because no one acclaimed him "speaker of the house." Q-anon shaman? When he was in the senate chamber standing at the platform he should have called himself senate majority leader and started handing out seats. Instead, they smoked some grass, got some selfies, clogged a toilet, and stole AOCs shoes.
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nut posted:how is this real life Pupil Records Online Management Information System Public Records Optical Management Information System Property Market Information Service Proposal Management Information System Project Management Information System PRactice-Oriented Multi-level perspective on Innovation and Scaling and on and on and on I can't find it now, but I would swear up and down there was a PROMIS for pork futures traders called something like "Pork Resources Online Management Information System."
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500excf type r posted:I thought I was out of the loop because I couldn't figure out what the software actually did. I am glad no one actually knows but also not glad and extremely curious. For all the descriptions of PROMIS, all the speculation, all the reporting, no one describes the experience of using PROMIS except in the most vague and general terms; instead "to track people" or "espionage" or "surveillance" stand in and PROMIS as software program fades and seems to be more like a magician's magic hat. PROMIS wasn't magic though, it was a very real thing and was used in many very real applications across the globe. While you can talk about the INSLAW Octopus without discussing some of the finer points of PROMIS, parts of the story will be much more difficult to grasp and important questions, like how and why PROMIS spread, will always be left unanswered. Then again, I wouldn't be the first person to look into the Octopus and think that they had an original way to consider the story. taqueso posted:Thanks, that was a bunch of good background Appreciate it. I'll continue from where I left off at in my earlier post: before INSLAW came onto the scene, PROMIS was a known platform for managing and reviewing databases. Importantly, the databases you feed into PROMIS are arbitrary, PROMIS can just as readily be used to track dissidents as it is to maintain a bank's account records or to tag map coordinates. This is why the Justice Department knew of it and also, once INSLAW comes into the picture, why the state intelligence apparatus so quickly grasped INSLAW's edition of PROMIS. A handful of things came together to make INSLAW's PROMIS such a fantastic tool for the intelligence services: 1. Release of 32-bit minicomputers, which gave a user a lot of power compared to previous generations of computers and for a very good price. PROMIS was a killer app for this platform. 2. Prior existence of digital databases and datastores from 30 years of computing; any edition of PROMIS could only ever be as revelatory as the data that was fed into the system. PROMIS couldn't do anything with a card catalogue of personal details - not digital - but could readily digest past, current, and future information. 3. An expanded network of connected computers (literally the internet) in 1980 as compared to 1975. Both legitimate and illegitimate usage PROMIS could be done remotely and interact with a wide variety of other systems. 4. INSLAW made a great piece of software. By every single account, INSLAW's PROMIS was really, really cool. It was fast, it could handle huge quantities of data, it had an actual user interface (with colors even!), and it could run all sorts of queries across the databases, identify connections, generate reports, and more. This combination of factors, and many others, all contributed to the intelligence services identifying PROMIS as a tool with enormous potential. At the moment, I don't think INSLAW was setup from the start to develop a piece of software that would be stolen, I think actors within and connected to the justice department encountered PROMIS, saw the value, and communicated with the group who stole PROMIS. INSLAW had done their job all too well and a treasure like this couldn't just go unexploited. inconsequential posted:One of the weirdest details about the Finders case to me is that they had portable computers that could connect to the internet and were in constant correspondence in 1986. That had to be expensive. The non-conspiracy take pretty much has to be that the founder is just this rich, connected rear end in a top hat loving around for fun but without ill intent which I guess is possible but doesn't seem likely. As far as I can gather from the released documents, the computers used by the Finders were portable in the sense that they could be picked up, carried, and deployed elsewhere. The guy who found one of the Finders' computers in a phone booth had to take it home and plug it in before he could do anything with the device. The computers were expensive though, portable versions even more so, and it would take a trained user to use the machines like the Finders are reported to have done. This happens to line up with one of the possible roles of the finders: they literally operated a company who trained the CIA and other government branches how to use computers. The released documents also reference a time that the Finders were suspected of what seems like hacking or tampering with the United States Department of Agriculture. Who knows what the hell they were doing though. The Finders training spooks how to use PROMIS and hack computers is a realistic proposition. bedpan has issued a correction as of 02:45 on Feb 7, 2021 |
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taqueso posted:The impression I got from reading the finders docs (which was awhile ago so might be wrong here) was that the remote operatives had something roughly like a c64 or trs80 and could connect to a central BBS type system with offline mail reading. Pretty high tech for the time but not out of reach for hacker types. I think the computer was identified as a TSR model 3, which would make it portable and able to do all the things you've mentioned.
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poo poo POST MALONE posted:isn't the difference here that there was central funding to provide standard equipment to a group of actors who were already making moves in concert using older methods? it was a cheap and effective way to communicate securely and quickly.
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