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What's the best and most comprehensive reading on all of this? My only real hold on all of this is what I've seen through social media, which varies from believable and ghoulish to lizard people stuff.
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Also, hard to find anything that doesn't veer into anti-semitism.
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Jun 11, 2020 07:58
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How do you address this stuff without being a mouthpiece for anti-semitism? I think the problem is largely capitalism, statism, and relations between US/Israel, but when laymen are looking at the people involved and laser focusing on judaism what do you do? Listening to the Maria Farmer interview, and I think she's 100 percent right about elites within the media manufacturing racism while being racist themselves but I know so many people who see that and dive head on into anti-semitism.
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Jun 11, 2020 09:58
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Also, can't believe I hadn't heard of The Finders before. There's not a lot of information out there.
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Jun 11, 2020 11:19
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Though Maria Farmer is going full on Covid denial and I'm not wild that the journalist is enabling it.
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Jun 11, 2020 11:24
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Given how massive pizza gate was I'm still shocked there's so little discussion on The Finders on the internet. Been looking though declassified documents and there's so much sketchy and insane poo poo. Documents on how to kidnap kids, arrangments with an embassy in Hong Kong, ritualistic photos, operations in the uk, the CIA going "investigation over lol. It seems more susbtantial than emails about pizza (not that the Clinton's aren't rapist ghouls, just don't think pizza was the vector) but there's barely anything on it. Elderbean has issued a correction as of 20:20 on Jun 11, 2020 |
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Jun 11, 2020 20:00
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Any recommended reading on the CIA? Im becoming more and more of an insufferable radical lefty so I'm enjoying any reading on corruption between state and capital.
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Jun 11, 2020 23:16
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Gotta wonder what drives a person to commit horrific crimes for the government. Does the CIA just attract a particular kind of psychopath?
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Jun 12, 2020 01:29
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Moreover, how do you even begin to compartmentalize and relax when you're an agent just chilling at home? We know all of these people are spying on each other constantly or looking for opportunities to blackmail someone for political gain. You'd never make a single real friend, your marriage is probably a sham, your house is bugged. Why do it? I'd crack-ping every second.
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Jun 12, 2020 01:53
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One thing that always baffles me about the rich, having multiple homes and staff. I feel like I'd never be at home with a bunch of other people around who exist to serve me, much less with multiple huge houses that I have no real connection to.
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Jun 12, 2020 04:06
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I know goons like to blame everything on capitalism but I think it also comes into play. After a certain point, a rich person no longer has real problems or concerns like paying rent or saving for a medical emergency. Research has continually shown that money only buys happiness to a certain point. These people crossed maximum financial happiness ages ago but they're still empty because having a bunch of poo poo doesn't fill existential voids. Capitalism, and American capitalism in particular, doesnt offer any solutions to fill these voids beyond "dominate and subjugate others to prove you won the game" and that justifies all sorts of hedonism.
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Jun 23, 2020 14:16
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Colbert depresses me the most. He made me laugh a lot when I was a teenager growing up in rural Ohio and even though I loathe the Dem establishment today I found solace in stuff like The Daily Show and The Colbert Report since I was trapped in Religious Right hell at the time. Watching him become shittier and shittier makes me sad. I don't know about any connections he has to trafficking but he's propped up a lot of lovely corporate goons. Fame and fortune ruins everyone.
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Jun 23, 2020 15:40
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nut posted:i'm convinced the highly repeated style of punchline, photoshop, audience laugh of john stewart, colbert, jon oliver, trevor noah etc etc is some real basic neurolinguistic programming I stopped watching The Daily Show ages ago and the few times I've seen John Oliver I've thought the subjects were worth covering (Megachurches and College sports corruption) but I did not like the one-sided nature of someone just telling me what to think, even if they were opinions I'd normally agree with (Megachurches and College Sports are corrupt) I don't have cable, so I haven't watched any late night TV in 15 years or so.
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Jun 23, 2020 16:16
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I wish these people would link to sources.
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Jun 23, 2020 20:45
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ShutteredIn posted:I think she's in the courtroom or has someone texting her from it? Ah, okay, that's better. I'm used to seeing a deluge of reveals on Twitter from random sources that are hard to verify.
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I'm reading a book on the Franklin Scandal and holy poo poo. If you go to Wikipedia about the case the article is brief and it says that everything was proven to be an elaborate hoax. No counter opinions are given attention. Then you read elsewhere about girls who were abused seperately identifying boys from photographs that they saw at orgies, how King made a security guard perform oral sex on him, how a bunch of people associated with King died, and how Kings cronies ran a psychiatric facility and that they fired a staff member who started asking questions about the children there, and a million other awful things. But lol all these people are lying and its a big hoax!
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Jun 24, 2020 17:54
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nut posted:is it the nick bryant one? Yes. Even the stuff outside of King is nightmarish. Abusive parents hosting an award ceremony for themselves, a judge choosing to keep children with that family, ugh.
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Jun 24, 2020 19:38
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nut posted:yeah it's a brutal read but wildly revealing also it's the only place i've seen talk about craig spence as another set-up in DC Yeah, the rabbit hole is deep and I want to know more but I had to take a break and bleach my brain.
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Jun 24, 2020 19:59
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Judges are complicit with throwing black drug offenders in jail forever so I wouldn't be suprised at all of they were casually aiding abusers.
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Jun 24, 2020 20:43
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Top City Homo posted:is there a summary to this global pedo western civilization conspiracy? During prohibition mobsters blackmailed people in positions of power by hosting sex parties and taking pictures, this turned out to be a particularly effective form of corruption because it often tied multiple politicans, policeman, and businessmen together and ensured their mutual destruction should any of them come clean. They were under the mobs complete control and promised to maintain an illusory war on organized crime, but never to arrest anyone too high up the ladder. With lots of politicans and policeman under their thumb, organized crime syndicates proceeded to infiltrate the CIA, FBI, and MOSSAD, taking these practices with them. Intel agencies maintained the culture of sexual blackmail because of how effective it was/is. Why keep politicans and assets under control with violence (that often draws attention) when you can use a rich person as a proxy for illicit parties and then leverage the evidence against them and their friends? The rich have remote mansions, private planes, and personal staff to carry our their every whim. Billions of dollars + a corrupt justice system + the insanity of the cold war + Intel agencies given total impunity to continue waging wars against abstract concepts + decades of propaganda that wealth comes from merit = A world where someone can own entire islands and fly children to them for orgies with the full support of the US and Israeli government. It's a snowball effect of corruption. You corrupt some politicans with blackmail, then they pass laws that make your corruption easier, then you branch out to more assets and do the same until the entire system is just a massive and unstoppable force of self interest where the ends always justify the means.
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Transhumanism appealed to me at one point because I read a lot of sci-fi, there are elements to it that seem very anarchistic and liberating when its being idealized, which a lot of the big writers tend to do. In reality, it would be a bunch of elites and their hivemind clones having orgies with genetically engineered kids while the rest of us have our brains sleeved into machines that can do menial labor more efficiently. Elderbean has issued a correction as of 04:40 on Jun 27, 2020 |
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Jun 27, 2020 04:36
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Cyberpunk 2077 is going to be lame because giant companies aren't going to meaningfully criticize the hellworld they're creating.
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Jun 27, 2020 07:00
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Gonna be a lame nerd for bringing up anime but Ghost in the Shell: Standalone Complex touches on this. There are competing government organizations and companies with illicit goals waging wars with eachother and cooperating when necessary. Normal people are the collateral damage. I want more fiction that portrays power structures as being seperate tribes of psychopaths who share a common hatred of us all.
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Jun 28, 2020 03:38
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There's a lot of poo poo in SAC that's relevant today. Particularly the obfuscation of the truth through the sheer vastness of the internet, and communities fragmenting and radicalizing because of it.
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Jun 28, 2020 05:06
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Dumb Lowtax posted:Early Game of Thrones Yeah, totally, then it went to hell.
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Jun 28, 2020 05:34
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Perry Mason Jar posted:Are the books worth reading? Good opinion havers responses only please I stopped at one point because I was just swamped with work and I've been mixed about revisiting them. They felt fresh at the time, but given the cultural juggernaut the show ended up being and how it ended up influencing other shows (arguably for the worse) I don't know if they would be worth the time now, but I think that's from being put off by the shows decline. The books generally do a better job of enforcing their themes than the show and they're still ongoing, so GRRM doesn't have to commit to that poo poo ending. Elderbean has issued a correction as of 06:04 on Jun 28, 2020 |
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Jun 28, 2020 05:44
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Also, what pieces of fiction, particularly movies or shows, really nail the hosed-up sexual appetites of the elite? You Were Never Really Here Eyes Wide Shut Society Altered Carbon True Detective 8MM Ex Machina (Not the sole focus of the movie, but a rich guy creates sentient robots and fucks them) Kill List Elderbean has issued a correction as of 06:05 on Jun 28, 2020 |
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Jun 28, 2020 06:03
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Oh yeah, the second Ghost in the Shell movie is entirely about the yakuza putting copies of kids brains into sexdolls.
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Jun 28, 2020 08:21
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Elysium doesn't get into sex stuff from what I remember but it was so blatant about rich people being monsters who grind everyone's lives to dust. Despite that, I vividly remember people insisting it was some kind of plot hole that the rich couldn't just give everyone on earth medical beds because Americans are stupid and are only beginning to understand class.
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Jun 28, 2020 18:42
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I'm such an anti-establishment goth please give me millions of dollars.
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Jun 28, 2020 19:34
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Its amazing how these people are always catapulted into fame from nowhere and how obvious it is relative to people who actually built a reputation.
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Jun 28, 2020 20:15
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I mentioned it already but its eerie how little there is on The Franklin Scandal outside of the books and that one documentary that didn't air. The wiki entry is comically short and it just says that everything was proven to be a hoax so that's all there is folks! Elderbean has issued a correction as of 02:55 on Jun 30, 2020 |
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There isn't even a wiki on King himself as far as I know, you have to go to other sites to learn more.
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That's the worst part about this rabbit hole, you keep finding more scandals. I grew up in Northern Ohio, had family in Detroit, vacationed in the Great Lakes, and I never heard anything about a child porno ring in the folklore. When you do look into these scandals, there's barely any info outside of independent journalists writing books. What's on the internet is sparpse and increasingly getting memory holed.
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I initially wrote off the Satanism stuff because I'm an Atheist but I believe there's a connection. Not in the sense that actual Satan energy is making these people do things, but because; 1. The power structures of the world are largely abrahamic and share a common concept of an intoxicating evil that infiltrates and infects us. This shared concept of evil generally avails people in power of their actual misdeeds and neatly blames everything on external, evil forces that can be prayed away later. 2. Satanist Sex Cults sound absolutely nuts on a surface level to a lot of secular or non religious people so the rings are easy to discredit. 3. The religious who sincerely believe Satan's evil energy is corrupting us have an abstract target to blame (Secularism/Gays/Athiests/Rock Music/Leftists/Declining Abstract Morals) and the power structures that exploit children are mostly ignored. 4. Churches themselves are complicit, by adopting Satans imagery they can mental gymnastics their way into thinking the power structures they have created and benefit from aren't responsible (#1) and when they get caught, suprise, it was Satanists! Elderbean has issued a correction as of 00:30 on Jul 1, 2020 |
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Torpor posted:look into that tiny island north west of south bass https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rattlesnake_Island_(Lake_Erie) Hmmmmmmm quote:The summer staff, mostly from Eastern Europe, numbers around 25 and there are separate dorms for the men and women working there. There is also a year-round caretaker and chef. The island's workers are trained to recognize each of the members and their families both by appearance and by the yacht they come in on. Any non-members will immediately be turned away by armed security guards in one of the island's two boats before the intruders even have time to dock.
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https://m.clevescene.com/cleveland/rattlesnake-island-revealed/Content?oid=1520781 HMMMMMMMMM quote:A few of the members can be identified through public records. A liquor license purchased in 1999 lists Bob Serpentini as the president of the island's board of trustees. Listed as vice president is Victor Arsena, a local contractor who was sued, along with his brothers, by the U.S. loving HMMMMMMMMMM quote:Rattlesnake Island is staffed mostly by beautiful young women from Eastern Europe, who are hand-selected from dossiers that include their pictures, says Boggs. They come from places like Moldavia, Belarus and Ukraine, though most are also students of Lithuanian Christian College's International University, a school devoted to "servant leadership," a belief that one should sacrifice selfish desires if they do not benefit the group as a whole. That may be why the women, who are paid minimum wage, also pool all their tips so that Nastia can distribute them evenly among the entire staff BIG loving HMMMMMMMMMMM quote:"The strangest thing that happened to me up there was this one member came up to me and said, 'I've got $10,000 in my pocket. I'll give you $3,000 if you bring a Russian girl back to my place.'" Boggs says he politely declined. But there was no happy ending for Boggs. On July 6, as everyone was cleaning up after the busy holiday weekend, he noticed the foreign women waving goodbye to him, as if they knew something he didn't.
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Also, Serial Killings were replaced by Mass Shootings in terms of impact on the public consciousness. I'd argue that those killings appeal more to the narcissist types that want notoriety.
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What about Maxwells siblings? She has several, how involved were they?
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