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Goddamn this was good. Complain if you must about the pace of the film overall, but Tarantino is the absolute master of pacing individual scenes. The moment in the climax when Pitt's character signals the dog and poo poo IS ON is tension-release on goddamned supernatural level.KidDynamite posted:drat kind of wish I had gone in blind because the trailer I saw didn't show any of the Manson stuff. Would have been a real shock. I thought it was Tarantino doing Oscar bait by making an "old hollywood" movie. I re-listened to the entire You Must Remember This season about the Manson murders in anticipation of this, and I if you can do the same I highly recommend it. The more you know about the history, the more compelling the whole movie is. Being able to take the "I'm the devil here to do the devil's work" line Tex Watson says that he actually said during the real murder and calling it out for being some hack bullshit was splendid. BiggerBoat posted:Will there be feet in this movie? Tarantino knows that we all know about his foot thing, and at this point he's just trolling us.
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R. Guyovich posted:must have been changed from the cannes screening, or the person who told me was themselves working off secondhand info They were very likely going off second-hand information. Tate does have a brief flashback to getting trained by Bruce Lee, but it was in a scene completely un-related to the murders and was apparently something that actually happened in real life.
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:I dunno, the stuff with Leo’s bad guy western dragged on a bit and the Sharon Tate stuff didn’t feel all that well integrated into the movie at all. I mean, the entire Tate-at-the-movies scenes were a direct emotional parallel of the Dalton on the Western set scenes. They were both exploring a performer’s desire for approval, the peril that is felt when that approval is lacking, and the elation when that approval is received.
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Cacator posted:A sight gag I thought was funny that I haven't seen anyone else mention: The cans of dog food are rat and raccoon flavoured I couldn’t tell if that was a bit or some weird thing that actually existed that Tarantino was referencing. LanceHunter fucked around with this message at 23:59 on Jul 26, 2019 |
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KidDynamite posted:Hot drat I really loved this film. I was just enthralled by the atmosphere and friendship. I really enjoyed the scenes of Cliff driving through Hollywood. Good stuff there. I have to disagree with the idea that the movie is saying Hollywood was always doomed. Polanski and Manson do both linger in the film's background, but if the Tate murders never happened both of them would have been robbed of a lot of their power to do bad. Manson and his group probably would have probably killed more people but they wouldn't have become a cultural landmark. Tate and Polanski would have divorced eventually (the fact that Jay Sebring gets double the screen time of Polanski is noteworthy). When Polanski eventually got caught doing some horrific poo poo he wouldn't have a lot of the sympathy he received during his real arrest because he was Tate's widower. Big Bizness posted:One thing I was wondering during the end: I don't think it was trying to comment on audience bloodlust. It was primarily going for catharsis, but another part of it was a "shoot Hitler in the face" level of giving the middle finger to historical assholes. The Manson murderers didn't just get killed, they got humiliated. Because gently caress them.
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Hyrax Attack! posted:Two quick questions: - I believe Booth was referring to some stunt/film work in Houston. Didn’t he then say something like “hardest set I ever struck” or something. - It definitely felt like him imagining what he could have done in the role and how it would have been his breakout. To kinda highlight how all the talk about how close he was or wasn’t to getting cast still kinda stung. KidDynamite posted:Hm that's a good argument. I don't even think anymore Manson murders happen in this universe since Cliff recognized them coming from the ranch. So he would probably give those details to police. But Old Hollywood is dead even with everything working out. Look at Steve McQueen "you're right I never had a chance" Well, I think the film posits Old Hollywood transitioning rather than dying. The time of the Rick Daltons and Steve McQueens is winding down, but they can still have places in the New Hollywood that is to come. Hell, this is kinda what Tarantino has been saying through his whole career with his casting of actors who had been considered washed up. LanceHunter fucked around with this message at 17:34 on Jul 27, 2019 |
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Vince MechMahon posted:By the way, "He said he was the devil and uh... He was here to do some devil poo poo." is maybe the funniest thing Tarantino has ever written. Definitely, especially if you know the real history. SidneyIsTheKiller posted:I had a funny feeling this was going to happen from watching the trailer, and as silly as it sounds, it's the kind of thing that can turn me off from seeing it. I mean, Cliff doesn't really beat Bruce Lee. Lee gets in a good shot because Cliff underestimated him, and then Cliff gets in a good shot because Lee underestimates him. Then they are pretty evenly matched. I don't think the portrayal of Lee was cartoony, more that it showed him from the perspective that a lot of stunt men probably see a lot of show leads. LanceHunter fucked around with this message at 01:17 on Jul 28, 2019 |
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General Dog posted:The movie has a reactionary streak to it that I found pretty refreshing. I mean, it's hard to do an honest portrayal of hippies that doesn't come off as at least a bit reactionary.
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Jul 28, 2019 04:49
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Philthy posted:I think you knew up front with those, however. Or I was just being kind of blind with this. I knew it was a biopic of sorts, and I was honestly just happy to take a field trip through this time period. I was familiar with the entire history beforehand, it's just I had no idea he was going that route ahead of time. It already paid for itself well before the ending. I think the way he stuck to being super-historically accurate in the beginning (Charles Manson’s visit to the Polanski residence was basically word-for-word how that visit actually happened) brought some ambiguity on if it was going to stick to the real history or not.
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cardedagain posted:okay, so i just finished my second screening, and i noticed that the two different [Alamo] theaters i saw this at played totally different retro trailers right before the "Sony" logo when the actual movie starts, with the Bounty Law promo reel. Definitely an Alamo thing. Saw it at an AMC (sadly not near an Alamo now) and there were only the terrible Sony trailers.
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Jul 28, 2019 19:23
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Drunkboxer posted:Well I’d say this movie requires it a bit more than the first two examples. See the post wondering why the Tate scenes were even in the film. Yeah, the more history you know the better it is. I already mentioned how Manson’s visit to the Polanski residence was almost word-for-word historically accurate, making it seem more likely Tarantino might be trying to keep to the real history. Or how the real-life Clem (the guy who knifed Cliff’s tire in the movie) actually killed a stuntman on Spahn ranch. Like, if it were possible to make everyone listen to the entire 10-part You Must Remember This series on Charles Manson’s Hollywood...
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Drunkboxer posted:Nah all that poo poo went down after the murders. Yeah, Polanski was a creep but there were a ton of creeps around Hollywood at the time. (Like, one way that Manson and his crew got so deep into the Hollywood scene was because he’d make the girls in his cult gently caress guys.) Turns our a steady diet of cocaine has a negative effect on one’s sense of morality.
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