Once Upon a Time in Hollywood - the nineth-ish film from Quentin Tarantino

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Steve Yun: Aug 7, 2003; I'm a parasitic landlord that needs to get a job instead of stealing worker's money. Make sure to remind me when I post.; Soiled Meat

I have not seen the film yet.

I assume you have to know who Sharon Tate is and the Manson murders for the full experience. Often times Tarantino movies require pre-existing knowledge of other movies/events in order to get the full effect, because he pulls out the rug from under you and does the opposite of the film/event he�s referring to:

If you�ve seen Point of No Return before seeing Pulp Fiction, you think Harvey Keitel is going to kill Jules and Vincent.

If you saw Lolita before seeing Kill Bill 2, well, you already know Bill shoots her because of the opening of Kill Bill 1, but it�s extra heart-wrenching because you�re reminded how Humbert left Lolita alone at the end of that movie.

Hitler commits suicide in WW2, not so in Basterds

# ¿ Jul 29, 2019 20:18

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# ¿ Apr 28, 2024 05:20

Steve Yun: Aug 7, 2003; I'm a parasitic landlord that needs to get a job instead of stealing worker's money. Make sure to remind me when I post.; Soiled Meat

I got in an argument about the movie

Was that Sharon Tate or Margot Robbie in Wrecking Crew?

Also,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3KbLBwQFW4

# ¿ Jul 31, 2019 11:12

Steve Yun: Aug 7, 2003; I'm a parasitic landlord that needs to get a job instead of stealing worker's money. Make sure to remind me when I post.; Soiled Meat

Bruce Lee is being made to look like a buffoon and a fraud in a movie where Sharon Tate doesn�t die. Tarantino is trusting you to know that these are both bullshit.

Earlier in the film a studio executive is talking about how when an actor is forced to play heavys too often the audience starts associating the actor with being a loser. This thought throws Rick into a panic, the idea that people will think that you are the parts you play. But we the real life audience (hopefully) know that actors are people and they are only playing pretend.

Bruce Lee, who by all accounts in real life beat everyone who came at him�s rear end, and a lot of people came at him, is being used here to play pretend as a heavy.

Rub your brain cells together

Steve Yun fucked around with this message at 19:23 on Jul 31, 2019

# ¿ Jul 31, 2019 19:16

Steve Yun: Aug 7, 2003; I'm a parasitic landlord that needs to get a job instead of stealing worker's money. Make sure to remind me when I post.; Soiled Meat

Did he actually kill his wife or was that a bunch of gossip from other people.

This movie is a test of your ability to filter the truth from misleading dialogue and pictures.

# ¿ Jul 31, 2019 19:25

Steve Yun: Aug 7, 2003; I'm a parasitic landlord that needs to get a job instead of stealing worker's money. Make sure to remind me when I post.; Soiled Meat

If there�s any One Big Point I get out of this movie, it is that movies are not real, and even movies about real life events are make believe and fantasy. Movies are stories in the same way that people talking about Cliff having murdered his wife are unconfirmed gossip.

When you watch Amadeus it is not Salieri you are seeing, it�s F Murray Abraham dressed up in period clothing and pretending he is overworking Mozart to death out of jealous spite.

Related to that, actors are real people. Crew are real people. Real people make these movies. Rick Dalton is worried that people will think he�s a loser if he plays bad guys too often in films. This fear is contingent on the idea that audiences are too dumb to separate fantasy from fiction.

There�s an amazing moment when a guy pretending to be Buffoon Bruce Lee, a guy pretending to be an imaginary stuntman, a guy who played a stuntman in a previous film and an actual real life stuntwoman all appear on screen and argue with each other.

# ¿ Jul 31, 2019 19:43

Steve Yun: Aug 7, 2003; I'm a parasitic landlord that needs to get a job instead of stealing worker's money. Make sure to remind me when I post.; Soiled Meat

InfiniteZero posted:

... and don't forget that a while after that you see a fight scene that the real Bruce Lee choreographed being watched by a woman who is pretending to be the woman in the scene.

Holy poo poo

It blew my mind to find out that was Sharon Tate in the movie and not Margot Robbie

It�s blowing my mind again to realize how this fits into the theme.

# ¿ Jul 31, 2019 20:03

Steve Yun: Aug 7, 2003; I'm a parasitic landlord that needs to get a job instead of stealing worker's money. Make sure to remind me when I post.; Soiled Meat

I think we got iamsosmrt turned around since that post, no need to argue with him still

# ¿ Jul 31, 2019 21:39

Steve Yun: Aug 7, 2003; I'm a parasitic landlord that needs to get a job instead of stealing worker's money. Make sure to remind me when I post.; Soiled Meat

If there was anything to knock the movie for, it was that the cuts needed to be tighter. There was a lot of drawn out shots that didn�t even have the excuse of showing us something nostalgic or interesting. Almost every scene had a few seconds of it

# ¿ Jul 31, 2019 22:11

Steve Yun: Aug 7, 2003; I'm a parasitic landlord that needs to get a job instead of stealing worker's money. Make sure to remind me when I post.; Soiled Meat

DeimosRising posted:

Idgi, Margot Robbie doesn�t look anything like Sharon Tate. I�m really bemused by people seeing a strong resemblance

What can I say, white people all look the same

# ¿ Aug 1, 2019 06:49

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Paperback Writer posted:

-What did people make of the Gary scene? All that tension and he�s just fine and happy with his situation(other than being blind). Just seemed kind of strange that the Manson girl wasn�t lying at all.

Classic Tarantino buildup to a false alarm, and then following it up with an actual alarm (the fight) right after.

quote:

-What was up with that painting in Dalton�s driveway?

Its never explained but I�m guessing it�s a segment of a larger sign for Comanche Uprising that Rick kept because it had his face on it

Comanche Uprising�s poster seems to be inspired by Navajo Joe

https://twitter.com/studiotstella/status/1154854010152804352?s=21

Edit: it also appears most of the posters in OUATIH were done by the guy who did Octopussy and Escape From New York�s posters

Steve Yun fucked around with this message at 14:37 on Aug 1, 2019

# ¿ Aug 1, 2019 14:34

Steve Yun: Aug 7, 2003; I'm a parasitic landlord that needs to get a job instead of stealing worker's money. Make sure to remind me when I post.; Soiled Meat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cF76gm9PdOs

I can�t tell if this is performance art where Tarantino talks like a guy who can�t tell fantasy and reality apart or if it�s raw actual bonafide Tarantino being Tarantino

# ¿ Aug 2, 2019 04:18

Steve Yun: Aug 7, 2003; I'm a parasitic landlord that needs to get a job instead of stealing worker's money. Make sure to remind me when I post.; Soiled Meat

https://www.wsj.com/articles/fast-furious-stars-complicated-demandi-never-want-to-lose-a-fight-11564673490

# ¿ Aug 2, 2019 20:19

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Egbert Souse posted:

Just saw it, loved it. True filmmaking confidence is having a minute of someone driving around LA with no action, but great top 40 hits of 1969 playing.

What really impressed me was that it honestly looked like a 1969 film between the use of color and the camera work.

I�m looking for it but there was an article about how Tarantino went to insane lengths to use similar filmstock from the 60�s, similar lightbulbs and rigging and other equipment to make sure everything looked like authentic 60�s film

Steve Yun fucked around with this message at 03:15 on Aug 4, 2019

# ¿ Aug 4, 2019 03:13

Steve Yun: Aug 7, 2003; I'm a parasitic landlord that needs to get a job instead of stealing worker's money. Make sure to remind me when I post.; Soiled Meat

Neat post from someone on reddit:

quote:

The Ranch scene is also important thematically. While Rick is on set of a movie Western, trying to make sense of his place in the changing landscape of his career and the industry, Cliff is visiting the crumbling ghost town of the western sets where Rick (and by extension Cliff) was in the pinnacle of his career.

Rick is finding change encroaching with a different directorial style and wardrobe - "making him look like a hippie?" Meanwhile, Cliff walks through the Spahn ranch as, slowly, more and more "hippies" appear at the edges, until they are a mass.

But Cliff's experience is actually a real western, in effect. There is REAL danger.

As Leo's character summons his powers to try and survive his "western", Cliff also uses his abilities to navigate an increasingly threatening situation.

And lingering over all of it is the metaphor of how the Manson murders marked an end or turning point in the type of Hollywood Cliff and Rick come from.

# ¿ Aug 4, 2019 05:19

Steve Yun: Aug 7, 2003; I'm a parasitic landlord that needs to get a job instead of stealing worker's money. Make sure to remind me when I post.; Soiled Meat

Anyone remember in what context the movie namedropped Audie Murphy? I just remember his name coming up but can�t remember why

Audie is a fascinating historical figure and Frederick Zoller was partly based on him

# ¿ Aug 5, 2019 01:47

Steve Yun: Aug 7, 2003; I'm a parasitic landlord that needs to get a job instead of stealing worker's money. Make sure to remind me when I post.; Soiled Meat

There are only two things you need to know About Audie

1: He was Rambo in real life:

quote:

The Germans scored a direct hit on an M10 tank destroyer, setting it alight, forcing the crew to abandon it.[69] Murphy ordered his men to retreat to positions in the woods, remaining alone at his post, shooting his M1 carbine and directing artillery fire via his field radio while the Germans aimed fire directly at his position.[70] Murphy mounted the abandoned, burning tank destroyer and began firing its .50 caliber machine gun at the advancing Germans, killing a squad crawling through a ditch towards him.[71] For an hour, Murphy stood on the flaming tank destroyer returning German fire from foot soldiers and advancing tanks, killing or wounding 50 Germans. He sustained a leg wound during his stand, and stopped only after he ran out of ammunition. Murphy rejoined his men, disregarding his own injury, and led them back to repel the Germans. He insisted on remaining with his men while his wounds were treated.

2. He starred in a WW2 movie about himself, playing himself.

Its neat that they brought him up because it�s about the right time for people to still remember who he was, and the fact that he was both the portraying actor and portrayed character is fascinating in the symbology of this movie

Steve Yun fucked around with this message at 02:26 on Aug 5, 2019

# ¿ Aug 5, 2019 02:22

Steve Yun: Aug 7, 2003; I'm a parasitic landlord that needs to get a job instead of stealing worker's money. Make sure to remind me when I post.; Soiled Meat

Wow that's a confident hand in subtle detail drops

# ¿ Aug 5, 2019 04:08

Steve Yun: Aug 7, 2003; I'm a parasitic landlord that needs to get a job instead of stealing worker's money. Make sure to remind me when I post.; Soiled Meat

That�s some Bong Joon Ho level lying to the audience to drive home the themes stuff right there (In Okja a Korean character says something totally different from the subtitles in a moment where somebody intentionally translates wrong, to emphasize that you can�t 100% trust anyone�s translation)

# ¿ Aug 6, 2019 23:00

Steve Yun: Aug 7, 2003; I'm a parasitic landlord that needs to get a job instead of stealing worker's money. Make sure to remind me when I post.; Soiled Meat

Death of the Author never mattered more than with Tarantino

# ¿ Aug 13, 2019 08:17

Steve Yun: Aug 7, 2003; I'm a parasitic landlord that needs to get a job instead of stealing worker's money. Make sure to remind me when I post.; Soiled Meat

Anyone able to verify this Sharon Lee book quote of Bruce Lee

# ¿ Aug 13, 2019 23:50

Steve Yun: Aug 7, 2003; I'm a parasitic landlord that needs to get a job instead of stealing worker's money. Make sure to remind me when I post.; Soiled Meat

I get the feeling I should make an effort thread defending Kill Bill, I�m surprised how many didn�t like it

# ¿ Aug 20, 2019 05:38

Steve Yun: Aug 7, 2003; I'm a parasitic landlord that needs to get a job instead of stealing worker's money. Make sure to remind me when I post.; Soiled Meat

I play videogames and hardly read and I know about Manson pretty well

# ¿ Aug 28, 2019 10:31

Steve Yun: Aug 7, 2003; I'm a parasitic landlord that needs to get a job instead of stealing worker's money. Make sure to remind me when I post.; Soiled Meat

I am an old and I know about Sharon Tate, but I can see how younger people now wouldnt know about her. She doesn�t get mentioned in pop culture even 1/100 as much as Hitler or the Civil War.

I don�t think we need to assign blame on anyone over this. We don�t need to blame the director or the audience about whether or not the audience should have pre-knowledge of Sharon Tate. If you know, good, and if you don�t already know, feel free to google it. Problem solved! Plenty of movies lean on foreknowledge of things, it�s not a thing to turn into a blame game, it just happens.

# ¿ Aug 30, 2019 03:06

Steve Yun: Aug 7, 2003; I'm a parasitic landlord that needs to get a job instead of stealing worker's money. Make sure to remind me when I post.; Soiled Meat

Ok so whoever wanted to know about the porn movie premiere in the movie and what it�s significance was. That was the Eros Theater, which was later renamed The New Beverly, which Tarantino now owns.

# ¿ Aug 30, 2019 07:27

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# ¿ Apr 28, 2024 05:20

Steve Yun: Aug 7, 2003; I'm a parasitic landlord that needs to get a job instead of stealing worker's money. Make sure to remind me when I post.; Soiled Meat

The Cameo posted:

we craned our heads around to see how the audience was reacting to the big stunt sequence with Zoe on the hood of the Dodge Challenger and the look of real fear for her life on people's faces is something I'm never going to forget, particularly this one woman sitting in the second row, who had to be in her mid 20s, about six seats in from the right side of the theater, eyes wide and round, mouth slightly agape, not blinking for a second as Zoe spun and clasped onto the hood. You feel the reality of the action, because Zoe Bell sure as poo poo is actually on the hood of a Dodge Challenger that is being rammed by a stunt car, both roaring down a country road at god knows how many miles per hour. There was a real high-strung sensation cascading through the theater at that screening, even though the audience was maybe twenty or thirty people in a hundred and fifty seat room.

One of my favorite shots in movie history was Zoe Bell�s butt because the car hood beneath her was out of frame and it was terrifying and it looked like nothing in the world existed but her and the road, ready to eat her alive

# ¿ Jan 4, 2020 23:10

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