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I get the feeling a lot of people are going to call this boring. I loved it, felt like Tarantino's Dazed and Confused a bit.
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General Dog posted:I took it to be a daydream, because (combined with the implausibility of the scene), it cuts back to Pitt back on the roof and he just goes “nah”. It seemed real to me. Pitt was remembering why the "guy from Green Hornet" might not like him, recalls the incident with Bruce Lee on the set of Green Hornet, and then says "fair enough".
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Jul 27, 2019 23:45
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Lee spent a good deal of time poo poo talking traditional martial arts and choreographed show fighting, which is why you'll always see people endlessly quoting his "boards don't hit back" line in the youtube comments of videos that debunk Kung Fu. He was like Ali in his self promotion, so it's no surprise in the movie that he brought up the Cassius Clay/Liston fight.
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Jul 28, 2019 02:18
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Is age a factor in one's familiarity with the Manson killings? As a dude in his thirties with no special interest in the late 60's or serial killers, I still had a solid knowledge of the events. I just figured everyone knew about it.
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Jul 29, 2019 21:24
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Well the first moment of real divergence is when a drunk Leo with margarita pitcher still in hand was screaming at the car full of hippies to get their shitbox off of his street. Lol, I want to see this again now.
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Jul 30, 2019 01:11
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There's not much difference between the Manson family and those Children of God assholes from the same time period (read up on them if you haven't). The amount of gurus that came out of the 60's and 70's, and number of ruined lives left in their wake is pretty nuts. The whole drugged up free love hippie movement may have been incredibly naive, but it had its head in the right place concerning issues like police brutality, capitalism, the war, etc. And it was always being co opted by bad actors using it as an excuse to play messiah. Even former Mansonites said it was really a power trip about getting high and manipulating people for sex until Manson went off on his "Helter Skelter" race war. It's the same with the "hippies" in Mandy, who are ruled by a leader that drops the mystical facade once the party's over and reveals how empty and weak the whole thing is. You can tell Tarantino hates these people, but not because they represent the death of Hollywood's purity (the film acknowledges that Hollywood is already full of fragile, insecure people and is a place of vast wealth and power inequality). They aren't there to represent "youthful change", they're just the garbage that always acquire some kind of power and use it to cause pain to others for no real reason other than their own aggrandizement. Like a Weinstein.
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Jul 30, 2019 22:59
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Being paid to get into shape must be great.
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Aug 2, 2019 02:06
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mary had a little clam posted:why did a guy who was close friends with the mastermind behind a pedophile ring running as an open secret in Hollywood choose to make a breezy fairy tale about the magic of this place Zuh?
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Aug 2, 2019 18:30
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What's funny is that round 3 of that fight is totally the noneffective pattycake choreographed movie martial arts that Lee was badmouthing a minute earlier. It's not supposed to be indicative of reality.
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Aug 6, 2019 03:42
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No history revision? Wood died in 1981.
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Aug 6, 2019 06:18
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The author of another Lee bio said he got the facts wrong, and Linda Lee was quoting someone else. But then he goes into a tactical realism thread about how Tarantino's Cliff couldn't actually have been a badass like he said, because green berets didn't exist yet and real war vets didn't use their bare hands and holy hell who gives a poo poo.
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Aug 14, 2019 00:16
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Babysitter Super Sleuth posted:Ate you really gonna try and argue that nobody once in the western front campaign got into a fistfight with a nazi https://twitter.com/matthewepolly/status/1160963589496332290
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Aug 14, 2019 03:34
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Having Tate be a Tarantino Badass would have been too tasteless even for him.
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Aug 16, 2019 10:51
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The movie made it pretty clear that the family were about to murder Tate and her friends if one of them hadn't recognized Dalton and changed their plans on a whim (which also demonstrates just how mercurial their reasoning was in the first place; it's a plan hatched from an acid trip). Because we already know what happened/will happen, OUaTiH is just a time travel revenge fantasy: wouldn't it be cool if we could send the Terminator and his buddy back in time to completely annihilate the Tate killers just before the murders, and the only real deviations from history are those that facilitate this fantasy.
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Aug 20, 2019 03:46
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If you were disappointed that there wasn't more screen time for Damon Herriman as Manson, then check out the new season of Mindhunter, because he is also Manson in an episode and nails the hell out of it.
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Aug 20, 2019 10:27
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You think this is bad, you should check out the biopic Dragon: The Bruce Lee Story, which has him getting into hi-wire king fu fights with his co-workers at a restaurant and makes his signature high pitched Kiai sounds while he's fighting with his wife.
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Aug 22, 2019 03:27
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See, he's just letting her be more comfortable with her body. It's for her benefit, really. He's totally not doing it just so he can flex his power and jack it to the dailies. Totally.
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Aug 23, 2019 11:47
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That story reminds me a bit of an interview I saw with Claudia Cardinale. She said that when they were shooting Once Upon a Time in the West, Leone wanted her arrival from the train to be an upskirt shot from beneath her dress, with no underwear. He relented, but only because she threatened to walk if he tried it.
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Aug 23, 2019 12:08
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A closer comparison would be a movie about a fictional early 60's political activist who works with Lee Harvey Oswald (whose full name is never mentioned) and ends up knifing him and leaving him in a New Orleans ditch in the summer of '63. Randomly intercut that with scenes throughout the previous year of JFK doing poo poo like giving speeches, having dinner with Jackie, and banging Marilyn Monroe with his brother.
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Robert Forster in JB was an inspired choice too. And Carradine was largely relegated to DTV trash before (and after) Kill Bill, which was the first real showcase for his talent in over 20 years. Even Kurt Russel had just been doing the occasional kids flick or inspirational movie in the few years preceding Death Proof.
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