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quote:I must have gaped like an idiot … and then I was facing front again, chilled with horror. This was the man who'd seen me grovelling to Sam Collinson, my abject companion in shame—and here he was, riding at my shoulder like bloody Nemesis, no doubt on the point of denouncing me to the world as a poltroon—it's a great thing to have a conscience as guilty as mine, I can tell you; it always makes you fear far more than the worst. My God! And yet—it couldn't be! the Irishman had been a sergeant of the 44th; this was a trooper of Dragoon Guards. I must be mistaken; he hadn't been staring at me at all—he must have been grinning at some joke of his mate's, when I'd caught his eye, and my terrified imagination was doing the rest - Prince I, or Zaiyuan would receive several thankless tasks in impossible times. quote:"Who said the Chinese were negotiators!" scoffs Parkes. "The man's a fool and a fraud." Laid low by an uppity serf, the shame would be unbearable. quote:How much sleep I got you may imagine. I couldn't defy the brute—the question was whether it was safer to pay squeeze and risk his blabbing another day, or kill him and try to make it look accidental. That was how desperate I was, and it was still unresolved when we saddled up at dawn to ride back to the army. As the party fell in under the trees, a sudden reckless devil took hold of me, and I told the dragoon corporal I'd inspect the escort; Parkes cocked an amused eyebrow at this military zeal, while the corporal bawled his troopers into mounted line. I rode slowly along, surveying each man carefully while they sweated in the sun; I checked one for a loose girth, asked the youngest how long he'd been in China, and came to Nolan on the end, staring red-faced to his front. A fly settled on his cheek, and his lip twitched. ![]() Looks itchy. Also ![]() Christ, you could hide a damned war elephant in there. Arbite fucked around with this message at 08:48 on Jan 5, 2025 |
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I really want to read up on the expedition to Peking and just how/why the negotiations and battles went the way they did. Really bizarre blending of military operations and diplomacy, with two sides that didn't share anything like the same reasoning process.
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quote:"What's to be done is get to the Army. Close up, there!" "But, my dear sir! They cannot mean any treachery, I —" "Mr Parkes," says I, "when you've ridden through as many armies as I have, you learn how to smell mischief—and it's breast-high here, I can tell you." This must be reminding Flash of Burnes and worse. Except... quote:—except for one thing. Parkes was right: he was inviolate. Whoever the Chinks cut up, it wouldn't be Her Majesty's biggest diplomatic gun bar Elgin himself; they wouldn't dare that. It came home to me with blinding clarity that the one safe place in the whole ugly mess was alongside H. Parkes, Esq. Would you call it growth Flashman getting so much better at being himself? quote:Before we'd gone a mile I was breathing easy; whether all the troops we'd seen coming down had now reached the camp-site, I don't know, but the way was clear, and when we met Chinese they didn't attempt to stay us: We were in Tang-choa under the hour, and while Parkes hurried off to find Prince I, I set the dragoons searching for Anderson and the others. It was only then that I realised one of my dragoons was Nolan. Hollo, thinks I, we may find advantage in this yet. ![]() quote:One thing rapidly became clear: the Chinks had repudiated the agreement made only yesterday, and were now vowing that unless Elgin withdrew his demand, they were ready to fight. "There can be no peace!" Prince I had shouted at Parkes. "It must be war!" Right, and McNaghten. No end of British blunderers that year. quote:Loch was knocked flying from the saddle, and the Sikh was thrashing with his lance as they bore him down. I didn't linger; I was round and out of that gully like a guilty squirrel—and slap in front of me was a boiling crowd of Imp braves, with Anderson's party struggling desperately in the middle. A musket barked, and I saw a Sikh reel in the saddle; then the sabres were out, Sikhs and dragoons laying about them, with Anderson yelling to close up; a ragged volley of musketry, a Sikh going down, the answering crash of revolver fire, Bowlby blazing away wild-eyed until he was dragged from the saddle, Nolan bleeding from a sword-cut on the brow as he drove through the press—I heard him shriek as he pitched forward over his horse's head into the crush. It didn't matter now; I stared appalled at that hideous mêlée, and turned to flee. Author's Note posted:The events of September 18, when the Chinese tried to ambush the allied force at Five-li Point, and took several prisoners in violation of the truce, are corroborated by the authorities cited in Note 29, especially Loch, who with Parkes was captured by Sang-kol-in-sen himself. Loch, like Flashman, paints a most unpleasant picture of the warlord, who worked himself into a fury, storming and yelling abuse at his prisoners while his guards beat them, forced them to kneel, and rubbed Loch's face in the dirt; he called Parkes a liar, accused him of trying to humiliate the Emperor and of preparing a treacherous attack on the Chinese forces, and added "that he would teach us what it was to speak to high officers of the Celestial Empire in the manner in which they had been addressed yesterday" (i.e. at the Tang-chao meeting with Prince I). It was after this that Loch and the others were taken to the Board of Punishments. (See Loch.) Screaming at barbarians seems to have been common among the mandarins when their superiority was in question; Sang flew into a passion at the suggestion that Queen Victoria was the equal of the Emperor. Incidentally, Flashman is the only authority that Sang was responsible for Private Moyes' murder, but it is interesting that the tirade directed at the Tang-ku prisoners is identical with one delivered by Sang on another occasion. Here's an unrelated attack on Parkes in 1867 in Japan. Oh if only Flashman had written about being there too...
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quote:For a well-decorated hero I've done a deal of surrendering in my time—which is doubtless why I remain a well-decorated hero. Piper's Fort, Balaclava, Cawnpore, Appomattox—I suppose I can't count Little Big Horn, because the uncivilised rascals wouldn't accept it, try as I might—and various minor capitulations. And if there's one thing I've learned, which young military men should bear in mind, it's that the foeman is generally as glad to accept your surrender as you are to give it. Mind you, he may turn spiteful later, when he's got you snug and helpless (I often do), but that's a risk you must run, you know. Most of my captors have been decent enough. Different compared to the 1910s Gen. Flashman or the 1980s Lt. Fraser? quote:They came like a whirlwind on the third day of our captivity, with a thundrous prelude of artillery that had me craning vainly at the thick wooden bars; the townsfolk scattered in panic to get out of the way as Chinese troops came pouring through the square, horse, foot and guns streaming through to the Pekin road. I was croaking with hope, expecting any moment to see the beards and puggarees and lance-heads galloping into view, when I was dragged from my cage and hauled before an armoured horseman. My cramped limbs wouldn't answer at first, but when they lashed my wrists by a long rein to his crupper, and the swine set off up the street—well, it's astonishing how you can hobble when you have to. I knew if I fell I'd be dragged and flayed to pieces, so I ran stumbling with my arms being half-torn from their sockets. Fortunately the road was so crowded with troops that he couldn't go above a trot; we must have been about a mile beyond the town, and more artillery was booming close at hand, when we came in view of an enormous bridge built of great marble blocks; it must have been thirty yards wide by three hundred long, spanning the muddy yellow Peiho. This was the bridge of Pah-li-chao, and here I saw an amazing sight. ![]() quote:"What did he say, sir?" cried Brabazon again. I shook my head, shrugging, and spoke just loud enough for Nolan to overhear. ![]() This update's been for the birds, we'll have to rejoin the battle next time. Arbite fucked around with this message at 20:29 on Dec 17, 2024 |
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jesus christ flashman
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This is probably my single favorite dirty trick in the entire series I’ve been waiting for it the whole book. (You’ve got some duplication in the first section; it starts over again and repeats)
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Arbite posted:convincing Jefferson Davis that I'd come to fix the lightning-rod
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tokenbrownguy posted:jesus christ flashman *Joel Robinson voice* Oh, I hate his ever-lovin' guts now.
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It's a dirty trick, but far down on his list of sins. Hardly registers next to Cleonie
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It’s definitely not the most evil thing he’s done by a long shot, and the guy had it coming. I just love how he played him. It’s the perfect Flash maneuver
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Crespolini posted:It's a dirty trick, but far down on his list of sins. Hardly registers next to Cleonie It's probably not the worst thing he'll do in this book.
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quote:"The filthy butchers!" roars Brabazon. "Oh, the poor fellow! But why, in heaven's name, when they'd said —" Author's Note posted:Flashman's account of events at Pah-li-chao Bridge might seem incredible if it did not conform so closely to known facts. The mandarin commanding the bridge was twice wounded during the battle, and ordered the execution of Brabazon and the Abbe de Luc in revenge; both were beheaded on the parapet of the bridge, although there is no record, outside Flashman, of the death of Nolan. The Chinese authorities later said that the two had died from natural causes, but unofficial Chinese sources agreed that the mandarin beheaded them in reprisal; this was confirmed by the Russian Mission, whose intelligence service was excellent. Months later, the graves were identified by Chinese, and two headless skeletons were found, along with scraps of cloth from artillery trousers and a piece of silk consistent with French ecclesiastical clothing. (See Loch.) Fraser often has Flashman witnessing the death of such figures (Burnes, Lakshmibai, Custer...) but I suppose in this case it would have been too much of an emotional wrench after Nolan. quote:This may seem an odd time to mention it, but my entry to Pekin recalls a conversation which I had a couple of years ago with the eminent wiseacre and playwright, George B. Shaw (as I call him, to his intense annoyance, though it don't rile him as much as "Bloomsbury Bernie"). I was advising him on pistol-play for a frightful pantomime he was writing about a lynching in a Kansas cow-town35 ; discussing hangings set him off on the subject of pain in general, and he advanced the fatuous opinion that mental anguish was worse than physical. When I could get a word in, I asked him if spiritual torment had ever made him vomit; he allowed it hadn't, so I told him what my Apache wife had done to Ilario the scalp-hunter, and had the satisfaction of watching our leading dramatist bolting for the lavatory with his handkerchief to his mouth. (Of course, I didn't get the better of him; as he said later, it was the thought that had made him spew, not pain itself. The hell with him.) ![]() Smancy. quote:I saw most of it, later—the Palace of Earthly Repose, for the Emperor's consort; the Temple of Imperial Ancestors, for sacrifices; the Gate of Extensive Peace, a hundred and ten feet high, for kow-towing; the Hall of Intense Mental Exercise, for studying Confucius; the Temple of the Civic Deity—don't know what that's for, paying rates, I dare say—and the library, the portrait hall, and even the office of the local rag, the Imperial Gazette, which circulates every day to all the nobles and officials in China. That's the unreality of the country—they nail thieves' hands together, and have a daily paper. Vivid geography and & graphic torture in one passage, Fraser you've done it again!
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quote:I'd do anything, I whined, anything he asked, and he seemed satisfied and kicked me again for luck. He thrust his face into mine, dropping his voice to a mere rasp: That bit about the Kow-tow is interesting. Not that I'd put a dirty trick past them (especially in the temper they were reaching) but I wonder... Author's Note posted:Such is the power of propaganda, that at Sinho the Imperial troops thought the British infantry were kow-towing when their front rank assumed the kneeling firing position. ![]() Ah. quote:Well, I've talked greater rubbish in my time; he could have it signed and witnessed if he wanted. But even in my abject terror, kneeling almost in the blood of the wire jacket victim, with those madmen screaming at me, I couldn't help wondering what mortal use they thought it would be. Within a week their precious Son of Heaven was going to be brought face to face with the Big Barbarian, who'd make him eat crow and like it; the despised Red-headed soldiers would march the sacred streets of the Forbidden City, and get drunk, and piss against his temple walls, and accost his women, and kick his mandarins' backsides if they didn't stir themselves. And since nothing in Heaven or earth could prevent that—and Sang and Sushun and Prince I knew it—what was the point of stuffing the Emperor's ears with nonsense at the eleventh hour, when he'd learn the dreadful truth at the twelfth? ![]() ![]() ![]() quote:The gong had stopped, and the only sounds in that joss-laden silence were clanks and laboured breathing; I reached the steps, and under the Bannermen's proddings dragged my way upwards, kow-towing all the way; thirty-three of them were there, and then I stopped, sprawled stark, with a pair of yellow velvet boots just ahead, and the hem of a robe that seemed to be made of solid gold inlaid with emeralds. ![]() quote:The Emperor Hsien Feng, Son of Heaven, Complete Abundance, Solitary Prince, Celestial Emperor, Lord of the Middle Kingdom, etc., was 29 at this time, and dying of dropsy and debauchery. As with many other oriental princes, care had been taken to deprave him early in life; his tutor in vice had been his assistant secretary Sushun, and he appears to have been completely in thrall to his favourite concubine, Yehonala. At one time he had been a fine gymnast, and even when his health was breaking down he retained a stately, dignified bearing. He was "simple of face", with a small mouth, and wore a little moustache. It's a good life if you don't weaken. quote:All this I took in at a glance, and then hastened to answer his question. Insert an evil laugh and you have the perfect act break. And why mess with perfection?
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quote:The Board of Punishments … I'd heard of it, and horrid rumours of what happened there—if I'd known what Parkes and Loch and the others were already suffering, I'd have gone off my head. Mercifully, I didn't know, and strove to drive the awful fears out of my mind, telling myself that the army was only a few miles away, that even mad monsters like Sang must realise the vengeance that Elgin would take if we were ill-treated, and hold his hand … and then I remembered Moyes and Nolan, and the vicious, mindless spite with which they'd been murdered, and I knew that my only hope was that rescue would get here in time. They were so close! Grant and the Frogs and Probyn and Nuxban Khan and Wolseley and Temple, those splendid Sikhs and Afghans and Royals; I could weep to think of them in their safe, strong, familiar world, loafing under the canvas, sitting about on Payne & Co's boxes, reading the Daily Press, chewing the rag about … what had it been, that evening a century ago, before we rode to Tang-chao! … oh, aye, the military steeplechase at Northampton, won by a Dragoon over twenty fences and three ploughs, and spectators riding alongside had spoiled sport … "Goin' to ride next year, Flash?" "Garn, he's top-heavy!" "They say the Navy are enterin' in '61—sailors on horseback, haw-haw!" That's how they'd be gassing and boozing and idling away precious time, the selfish bastards, while I was bound shivering and naked and near-demented with fear of what lay ahead … An imperius entrance. quote:He gave a hysterical whimper and obeyed, and she circled the bench none too steadily, giggling and clutching the cloak tightly under her chin. She craned foward to look at me, and the light fell on the most beautiful face I've ever seen in my life. ![]() Merry Christmas Harry. quote:An said afterwards that it was incredible, and but for the gag I'd have cried "Hear, hear!", supposing I'd had breath to do it. But while I wouldn't have missed it for the world, it was deuced unnerving—being ravished is all very well, especially by the most accomplished wanton in China, if not all Asia, but when you're utterly helpless, and she has finally worked her wicked will and lain sated and moaning drunkenly on your manly chest, only to draw away suddenly with a cry of "Ugh, how he stinks!", and then plucks away the cloak for another look and shudder at you … well, you're bound to wonder about the future, if you follow me. One of the more unique settings for an information dump. Also, Messalina was the wife of Emperor Clau-wait this is at least the third time Fraser's used her for a comparison. He really was quite taken with I Clavdivs.
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For the record, here's our murderous buddy Prince Sang, aka Sengge Rinchen. As you can see, unlike Consort Yi (who Fraser gave a major glow-up - even pictures of her in her youth aren't all that flattering), the book's depiction of him is fairly accurate.
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Arbite posted:
Spat my tea. Excellent use of this picture.
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quote:"But that is impossible!" Little An started up in horror. "And that you should say so! You, Orchid Lady, who have urged the Emperor to fight to the end—who made him send the silk cord to defeated generals—who made him set the price on barbarian heads!" A smooth operator to put Sade's man to shame. quote:D'you know who she reminded me of? Otto Bismarck. Not to look at, you understand, but in the smooth, sure way she summed it up and lined it out, and had you agog for her to drop the next piece into place—and a bare half-hour since she'd been rogering her soul out, whooping drunk on lust and poppy. And, like dear Otto, she was holding my interest despite my other pressing concerns; come on, come on, I was thinking, let's hear how you're going to get Sang to Tyburn, because I want to be there to swing on the bastard's ankles. Little An, too, was clamouring for information, albeit apprehensively. So she told him—and I wished she hadn't. From appearance here to her dying day, a woman in control. quote:That was what made my flesh crawl—the sudden capricious change from hellish scheming to playful mischief, from the cold, unspeakably cruel calculation that meant dreadful death for men she'd never seen, to happy high spirits demanding crackling with cherries, and a tea-leaf pillow because her eyes were tired. It's a rare thing, that gift of human translation, although I'd seen it before—always in people who held immense power. I mentioned Bismarck just now; he had it. So did Lakshmibai of Jhansi—and in a way, James Brooke of Borneo, although with him it had to be a conscious act of will. For the others, it was a necessary part of their nature, to be able to turn, in perfect oblivion, from determining the destiny of a nation, or a matter of life and death, to choosing a new hat or listening to music—and then back again, with the mind wiped clean. And there they will all stay. Until next time! Arbite fucked around with this message at 07:48 on Dec 28, 2024 |
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This update gets more explicitly NSFW, so be mindful of rubberneckers. quote:But I'll digress no longer, for now I have to tell you of one of the most wonderful things I've ever seen, a marvel to compare with any on earth—and no one will ever see it again. There are many beautiful things in the world, mostly works of Nature—a Colorado sunset, dawn over the South China Sea, Elspeth, primroses, cold moonlight on the Sahara, an English woodland after rain. Man cannot make anything to equal these, but just once, in this critic's opinion, he came so close that I'd hate to live on the difference. And it was done by shaping Nature, delicately and with infinite patience, as probably only Chinese artists and craftsmen could have done it. This was what I was privileged to see that September morning. ![]() ![]() Author's Note posted:Many travellers visited the old Summer Palace and marvelled; it has been described by several of Flashman's army comrades, although none of them had the opportunity to study it as closely as he did, but it was obviously a place that had to be seen to be believed. It was a wonder on two counts: for the priceless treasures it contained, and as the supreme example of landscape gardening—for every inch of its extensive grounds, its lakes, and woods, and hills, was said to have been built by craftsmen to the most careful design, some of it over centuries. (See McGhee, Wolseley, Loch, Swinhoe, and volumes xxxvii and xxxviii, Illustrated London News, 1860, 1861.) quote:This miracle was all for the personal delight of the Emperor and his court; no other visitors ever saw it, which was perhaps as well, since I should think it was by far the richest treasure house there has ever been in the world. To give you a notion, Yehonala's favourite pavilion was a modest cabin covering about an acre, roofed with gold leaf and apparently constructed of marble, jade, and ivory throughout; its scores of rooms were stuffed with priceless fabrics, carpets, and furs, statuary of every precious metal and porcelain, clocks, jewellery, paintings—I remember going along a verandah, looking out at the glorious scenery, and suddenly realising that I was no longer out of doors, but was staring at a wall so cunningly decorated that it appeared to be a continuation of the world outside; I had walked a good ten paces before I discovered that I was no longer seeing reality, but artifice, and when I went back and stood at gaze, I could hardly tell where one ended and t'other began. It was almost sickening to think of the genius and labour that had gone to the making of such a vain thing—yet it was lovely, and as to the movable loot … well, an entire wing was devoted to thousands of magnificent silk dresses, scarves, and shawls; you absolutely waded through them; another wing was given over to jewelled ornaments so brilliant and numerous that the eye could not bear to look at them for long; one vast room was filled with the most intricate mechanical toys crusted with gems, jade jack-in-the-boxes, walking dolls, blasted diamond frogs and beetles hopping and scuttling all over the shop, and you'd no sooner escaped them than you were in a room walled in solid silver and carpeted in ermine and sable, with gold racks covered in—ladies' shoes. Author's Note posted:One of Yehonala's six-inch block shoes, fringed with pearls, is said to have fetched £25,000 after being looted in the Boxer Rising. Imelda eat your heart out. quote:I had no inkling of this when they decanted me at the third of the great halls that made up the Emperor's residence, and led me through a circular side-door to a small dressing-room hung with quilted dragon robes in every conceivable colour—it was just like her, you know, to fig me out in her old man's best gear, although I had no suspicion of what was afoot until Little An began puffing musk at me from a giant squirt, and his assistant applied lacquer to my hair to make it lie down. When they tied a flimsy gauze mask over my face, I thought aha!, and then they bundled me into a corridor and along to a great gilt door where a table stood bearing scores of tortoiseshell plaques, each with a different design worked in precious stones. These were the concubines' tablets, with which his majesty indicated his choice for the night; it was then Little An's task to rout out the appropriate houri, wrap her in the silk cloak, carry her to the gilt door, and shoot her in, no doubt with a cry of "Shop!" Well unlike those two let's take a break here. It's certainly quite interesting to compare this earthly paradise to the Heavenly Kingdom's.
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"The Australian ideal", LMAO.
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FMguru posted:"The Australian ideal", LMAO. Did not own a public house. It's a great turn of phrase.
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quote:In a Gazette article entitled "The Fate of the Peiping Captives in the Late War", you may read how Col. Sir H. Flashman "endured a captivity little better than slavery at the hands of his tormentors", who treated him "in the most degrading and insulting manner", and subjected him "to such usage as can seldom have been met with by a British officer in the hands of a savage foreign Power". It's gospel true, and omits only that if the Army had known the circumstances they'd have been lining up to change places with me. About halfway between ignorance is strength and that longer quote about the less people think of you the freer they are around you. quote:"So ugly … so ugly," she would whisper, lying on my chest and brushing her unbound hair across my face. "So ugly as to be almost magnificent … aren't you? So misshapen and ungraceful, great lumpy muscles … you're very strong, aren't you? Strong and stupid, with teeth like a horse. Open … let me see them. Open, I say … Gods, do you have to be shown everything? Ugh, I don't want to look at them! Horrible … I wonder what your barbarian women are like? Are they repulsive, too? You'll find them so, after this, won't you … after the incomparable Yi Concubine? I must look like a goddess to you … do I look like a goddess? Is it possible you might prefer female barbarians, I wonder? I mean, great apes like each other … but you may never see your barbarian women-apes again … not if I keep you. I might, when my son rules, and I'm all-powerful. Would you like that? I could send you now to Jehol, before your friends come … or I could give you back to them. No, I don't want to lose you yet … and how unhappy you'd be, without me … wouldn't you? You must think you're in heaven, poor barbarian. If only you could speak … why can't you speak … properly, I mean? Suppose you could, what would you say to me? Would you make love to me with words, like the poets? Do you know what poetry is, even? Could you write a poem in praise of my beauty … in butterfly words fluttering crooked up and down the page of my heart? Jung Lu wrote me a poem once, comparing me to a new moon, which was not very original … What would you compare me to, d'you think? Oh, you're hopeless! You couldn't love with words … you know only one way, don't you? … like a great, greedy beast … like this … no, greedy beast, not like that! Be still … like this … slowly, you see? … this is the Fourteenth Gossamer Caress, did you know? There are more than twenty of them, and the last, the Supreme Delirium, can be experienced only once, for during it the lover dies, they say … let us be content with the Fourteenth … for the moment … then we'll try the Fifteenth, shall we …?" Philip VI lasted six months. Also gossamer is finest silk. quote:I append these details because, since she became one of the great women of history, an eye-witness account may be of some interest; perhaps it'll help some clever biographer to plumb the mystery of her character. I can't; I knew her as a lover, you see, and Dick Burton assures me I'm a hopeless nympholeptic, which sounds, good fun. She ravished my senses, right enough, and scared me to death—which, by the way, is true of the only three women (apart from Elspeth) whom I've truly loved: Lola, Lakshmibai, and Yehonala. An empress, a queen, and the greatest courtesan of her time; I dare say I'm just a snob. And on yet another new peril we close out 2024, though the Year of the Dragon has a few weeks yet. See you next time.
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quote:By gad, I hadn't liked the sound of that. Of course she was just joking—teasing Little An. Wasn't she? One thing was sure, she wasn't getting me to Jehol—when those guns sounded, I'd make a run for it, somehow. If I could give my watchdogs the slip, after dark—even if I didn't get out of the Summer Palace, there were acres of woodland to lie up in … I might even get clear away, and be in time to reach Grant and have him send a flying column slap into the city to rescue Parkes and the others … Probyn or Fane would be in and out before the Chinks knew they'd been. Aye, but I mustn't run the slightest risk of capture myself—the thought of being dragged back, helpless, to face her fury (they can't stand being jilted, these autocratic bitches) and Little An's malice … ![]() I can buy it. quote:"Idiot!" snaps Yehonala, and snatching up her spoon she flung it at An's head. "He doesn't understand a word! You're a snivelling old woman … and a spiteful little worm! Now get out, and leave us alone." quote:So she was going! Was Grant moving at last, then? But there hadn't been a single cannon-shot, ours or the Chinese; he couldn't be advancing on Pekin without some hysterical Tartar touching off a field piece, surely? Tang-chao was less than a dozen miles away—the sound of firing would carry easily … but the afternoon light was fading; it wasn't possible he was coming today, Yehonala's people must have had a false alarm—and then, far-off, there was the brazen whisper of a Manchoo trumpet, and a drum of approaching hoof-beats, a single rider pounding across the sward, voices calling anxiously at the front of the house, and a hoarse cry of alarm: ![]() I'd never heard of a horse palanquin before. The advantages and disadvantages are pretty clear, though I wonder if there's a childrens book full of other unusual takes on conventional travel. quote:He paused for breath, and Little An cried:
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ah the part where we all pray someone finally kills this man
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quote:Very well, I was off-guard, preoccupied with the thought of bolting for safety, and my action was purely automatic—so much so, that she had actually taken it, with a little smile at me, and it was only the horrified realisation dawning on my own face that made her stare. Without that, my blunder might have passed unnoticed, or I might have bluffed it out … but now her eyes were blazing, Little An was shrieking—and I lunged headlong for the door, slipped on a rug on the polished floor, and came down with a crash that shook the building. The Mongol was on me before I could roll away, snarling like a bear, his great hands reaching for my throat; I thumped him once, and then like a clever lad he had his knife-point under my chin, climbing off me nimbly and bringing me up like a hooked fish, his free hand locked in my collar. He shot a glance at Yehonala, and asked for instructions. quote:He lies!" screamed Little An, God bless him. "Orchid, he has the tongue of a snake! The lying barbarian dog! Will you let him insult you, this beast? Kill him! Think what he knows! Think what he's done!" Keep it up, Little An, thinks I, and you'll talk me out of this yet. She met my eye again, cold as a clam. A regular Sam and Ralph in the making. quote:or what conclusion Yehonala and An would have reached, I can only guess, for it was at that moment that we were interrupted. One second all was still, and then there was a confused tumult from the garden, a babble of voices with a man shouting and women crying out closer at hand; distant yells and the sound of approaching hoof-beats; feet running in the house itself, and then the door was flung open and a tiny boy rushed into the room. He was the complete little mandarin, button hat and dragon robe and all, and at the sight of Yehonala he screamed with delight and raced towards her, arms out—only to stop abruptly and make a very slow, deep bow which was never completed, for she had swept him up, kissing him, crying out, and hugging him to her cheek. Then there were women in the room, three of them—a tall, bonny Manchoo girl with scared eyes, in a sable hat and cloak, and two other ladies, one of them squealing in alarm. From the fact that everyone in the room except Yehonala and my Mongol (trust him) dropped to their knees and knocked head; I knew this could only be the Empress Sakota, and the little boy, who was demanding shrilly to be let down so that he could show Yehonala his new watch with the little bell (the damnedest things stick in your memory) must be the heir to the throne, Tungchi. "(gasping) He can talk." "He can talk, he can talk, he can talk he can talk, he can talk."
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Arbite posted:
Troy McClure might have made a better screen Flashman than the egregiously miscast Malcolm McDowell. I love the buildup and climax of this one. Terrific descriptions of Flashy's mental state as always - chin up, eyes steady, bowels dissolving. Words to live by. The thing is, while he's a terrible person by any metric, his own self-description as a coward is quite inaccurate. He's devoid of any principle and completed centred on self-preservation, but his decision-making in highly dangerous situations is absolutely the stuff of heroes. tokenbrownguy posted:ah the part where we all pray someone finally kills this man This is interesting, I don't know if it's just the general structure of an adventure book, but as these situations arise, I'm not rooting against Flashman at all. I rather want to see him do something at least a tiny bit non-terrible, even if it's for repulsive reasons. Maybe it's because his adversaries are just as bad.
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The anti-hero must never be hypocritical and must always remain true to themself; this is how they retain the audience's sympathy, no matter what dastardly deeds they do. Their opponents may have better reputations and espouse nobler goals, but we still prefer to have the anti-hero take us into their confidence and do the things we secretly (and even a little hypocritically) enjoy seeing done.
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quote:It stopped 'em dead in sheer amazement, Dick Dauntless facing the stricken heathen, and I wished Elspeth could have seen me just then—or perhaps, considering what Yehonala looked like, better not. There was a breathless pause, and then Sang went literally mad with rage, howling and lugging out his sword. I yelped and sprang away, turning for the sabre which I knew was on the wall, since Yehonala had indicated it to An last night—and the damned thing wasn't there! Sang's blade whirled in a glittering arc, and I hurled myself aside, bellowing, as it shattered a table in my rear. There was the sabre, three yards along—I leaped and snatched it from the wall, whirling to meet another furious cut, roaring to the Mongol to get on parade, and breaking ground as Sang came after me, frothing like a pi-dog. On clear floor I fell on guard, parrying two cuts to take his measure, and my heart leaped as I realised I'd been right in one vital hope—he couldn't use a sabre to save himself. He was a blind, furious lasher, so I exposed my flank, took the cut on the forte, waited his lurching recovery, and ran him through the left arm. (I ain't Guillaume Danet, you understand, but Sang's swordplay would have broken the troop-sergeant's heart.) ![]() A perfect name for a technique that holds off an assault until help arrives, like Malta. Or doesn't, like Rhodes. quote:That Mongol was a complete hand. I've never seen a faster big man, and with his tremendous reach he could have given my old chum de Gautet a few minutes' trouble. He fought left-handed, with a short sword in his right, and didn't mind at all taking a cut in a good cause; he stopped one with his bare shoulder, grunted, and chopped like lightning—and there was a head trundling away across the polished floor while the Mongol bayed triumphantly, and the three other Tartars checked aghast and reviewed the position, with Sang going demented. Author's note posted:Flashman is clear about the date of Yehonala's departure: the night of October 6-7. At first sight there is an inconsistency here, since other records established that the Emperor and his suite, including Yehonala, left for Jehol on September 22, the day after Flashman's audience with the Emperor. The explanation is provided in Flashman's narrative: Yehonala did leave on the 22nd, and returned two days later (Flashman states that he did not see her for two days after their first meeting, and writes elsewhere that she made a flying visit to Jehol "early in my captivity"). Others of the court also remained at Pekin until the last minute; the Empress Dowager and Prince Kung narrowly escaped the French advance on the Ewen-ming-ewen. Sometimes I wonder how many of these notes are adjusting an earlier draft with new information. quote:Why did I slip my cable when I'd just won the gratitude of a powerful and beautiful woman who was half-crazy about me to start with? Well, I'll tell you: gratitude's a funny thing; do a favour, and often as not you've made an enemy, or at best a grudging friend. Folk hate to feel obliged. And in Yehonala's case, how long would it have been before she remembered how much dangerous knowledge I had of her and her ambitions, and the debt had dwindled into insignificance, with Little An putting in his twopenn'orth of hate? Author's Note posted:About twenty badly-armed eunuchs made a valiant effort to stop the French vanguard, and were shot down. Snickersnee and swocegian, all sorts of new words in this one. quote:The hall entrance was lit by flickering lanterns, and people were hurrying in and out; there were marching feet down by the gate, and then I heard: "Halle! Sac a terre!" and I whooped for joy and ran across the lawn shouting. ![]() G'night everybody!
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Trin Tragula posted:The anti-hero must never be hypocritical and must always remain true to themself; this is how they retain the audience's sympathy, no matter what dastardly deeds they do. Genghis Cohen posted:This is interesting, I don't know if it's just the general structure of an adventure book, but as these situations arise, I'm not rooting against Flashman at all. I rather want to see him do something at least a tiny bit non-terrible, even if it's for repulsive reasons. Maybe it's because his adversaries are just as bad. Ya'll are right, this is amazing reading, but... Arbite posted:"Flashman, my dear chap! We'd given you up for dead! Thank God you're safe! My dear fellow, wherever have you been? This is capital! My boy, are you hurt? Have those villains ill-used you?" ![]() I'll never forget when he threw that Russian princess what loved him off a moving sled in mid-winter in the hopes of slowing down the pursuing horsemen.
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tokenbrownguy posted:Ya'll are right, this is amazing reading, but... Ha, I know what you mean, but that's positively nice by Flashman standards. I think the worst thing was probably selling Cassie into a life of unspeakable sex slavery in a hostile society. It wasn't even betrayal to save his own skin, just for profit and convenience. Throwing Val off the sled? Her own father's Cossacks were in hot pursuit, they were certain to see her fall and save her from any further harm, the worst she might have suffered was bruising (potentially broken bones etc) from the fall. If anything, I thought the reaction to that incident from East was a dig at the adventure story conceit that the hero always saves the beautiful, noble young maiden, or the idea that aristocratic ladies must be protected at all costs. Cause really, they were two prisoners escaping from an enemy country, dropping her off (ideally in less austere conditions) was 100% the correct thing to do, even in Flashy wasn't doing it for good reasons.
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This book certainly was mostly Flashman at his least objectionable, though, mainly dishing it out to people he had reasonable grievances against, displaying cowardice that could generally pass as sensible caution in dangerous circumstances, and even having the odd faint glimmer of heroism.
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I think MacDonald was probably tired of writing an unredeemable piece of poo poo and just naturally softened the edges. He's protesting more and more about being a bad person, but his actions are mostly pretty unobjectionable. The earlier novels, Flash was mean.
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There's definitely a slide towards reluctant hero, rather than the abject coward he started out, as the series goes on. In the later books he generally (unwillingly) does the things he receives public acclaim for, rather than cowering in bed and receiving unwarranted credit as in the first book.
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quote:while Sang came steaming up, with shouts and great action, damning 'em for sluggards but keeping his distance. Flashy, of course, would know all about that: quote:Here comes Speedicut, and Flashman the School-house bully, with shouts and great action. Won't you two come up to young Brooke, after locking-up, by the School-house fire, with “Old fellow, wasn't that just a splendid scrummage by the three trees?” But he knows you, and so do we. You don't really want to drive that ball through that scrummage, chancing all hurt for the glory of the School-house, but to make us think that's what you want—a vastly different thing; and fellows of your kidney will never go through more than the skirts of a scrummage, where it's all push and no kicking. We respect boys who keep out of it, and don't sham going in; but you—we had rather not say what we think of you. Game recognises game.
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Trin Tragula posted:Flashy, of course, would know all about that: Nice catch, 100% intentional by the author. poisonpill posted:I think MacDonald was probably tired of writing an unredeemable piece of poo poo and just naturally softened the edges. He's protesting more and more about being a bad person, but his actions are mostly pretty unobjectionable. The earlier novels, Flash was mean. I tend to agree with this. Just as we increasingly identify with our protagonist after many books, Fraser must have developed some kind of affinity for him. There's also the natural pull towards putting dramatic things into the plot. We will happily read several denouements where Flashy schemes, [reluctantly] fights and then flees or lies his way out of the consequences. If the end of each book was him skulking away from the action before it could reach climax (wahey) we'd eventually grow bored. It is all effectively excused in the text though - at Pipers' Fort, Hudson was the only one who knew him, the Sepoys weren't suspicious as he was a Sahib who'd arrived injured, and in his youthful weakness he was resigned to all of them dying anyway. In situations like riding through the Chinese army a couple chapters ago, when his conduct was basically that of any professional military officer, even if his bowels were secretly dissolving, Flashman just doesn't have anything else he can do. Lying down and claiming he's strained his leg wouldn't have helped him. I find this character development largely convincing, given how critical experience is to how we handle situations. Even for a self-regarded coward, knowledge dispels fear, and by this point Flashman has been there before.
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quote:I couldn't answer, because all of a sudden I felt very weak and wanted to blub. I think it was the kind words—the first I'd heard in ever so long, although it was barely three weeks—and the English voices and everyone looking so cheery and glad to see me, and the anxious glower on Elgin's bulldog face at the thought that I'd been mistreated, and just the knowledge that I was home. Then someone whistled, exclaiming, and they were all staring at the sabre which I'd hung from my saddle, dried blood all over the blade—Sang's blood, and that struck me as ever so funny, for some reason, and I'd have laughed if I'd had the energy. But I just stood mum and choking while they cried out and shouted questions and rejoiced, until Hope Grant shouldered them all aside, pretty rough, even Elgin, and pushed me down on to a stool, and put a cup of tea in my hand, and stood with his hand round my shoulders, not saying a word. Then I blubbed. Selah? Selah. Selah! Of course in the actual bible Selah is quite rarely used as a punctuating conclusion, but it's good to now know the Clans weren't the first to overuse it as such. You get away with another one, Stackpole! quote:I stuck to these principles in making my verbal report to Elgin that afternoon—and for once they were almost completely wasted. This was because the first words I'd uttered, after gulping Grant's tea, were to tell him that there was a vermilion death sentence on Parkes and the other prisoners; this caused such a sensation that, once I'd told all I knew about it (which wasn't much; I didn't know even where they were confined) I was forgotten in the uproar of activity, with diplomatic threats being sent into Pekin, and Probyn ordered to stand by with a flying squadron. And when I sat down with Elgin later, and gave him my word-of-mouth, it was plain that the fate of our people was the only thing on his mind, reasonably enough; my account of the secret intrigues of the Imperial court (which I thought a pretty fair coup) interested him hardly at all. ![]() quote:"Hardly, my lord," says I, and just for devilment I added: "The Yi Concubine's ladies did throw apples at me, on one occasion." ![]() Doubt she would appreciate the comparison to Columbine. quote:"...A concubine is a Chinese noble-man's personal whore." And with the funetiks strong return we take a pause before viewing what all this diplomatic clamour has wrought.
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quote:Later that day he and Grant and our senior commanders went to the Ewen-ming-ewen, officially to view the splendours, but in fact to make sure that the Frogs didn't pick it clean before our army got its share. I was on hand, and absolutely heard Montauban protesting volubly that no looting whatever had taken place—this with his rascals still streaming out of the Hall of Audience with everything but the floor-tiles, and the piles of spoil filling the great courtyard. Some of our early-comers, I noticed, were already among the plunderers; a party of Sikh cavalry were offering magnificent bolts of coloured silk to the later arrivals at two dollars a time, and the Frogs, who'd had the best of it, were doing a fine trade in jade tablets, watches, jewelled masks, furs, ornamental weapons, enamels, toys, and robes, and finding no lack of takers. The yard was like a tremendous gaudy market, for loot from the other buildings near at hand was being brought in as well, and fellows were bargaining away what they couldn't carry. Why slow the pillage? quote:"Good spot o' boodle, though, what?" says someone; I said I supposed there'd be enough to go round. ![]() I suppose it can't speak well of a person to mourn objects more than lives. quote:We watched another gang, British, French, and Sikhs, man-handling an enormous vase, twenty feet if it was an inch, all inlaid with dazzling mosaic work, to the top of a flight of steps, poising it with a "One-two-three-and-AWAY!" and hurrahing like mad as it smashed with an explosion like artillery, scattering gleaming shards everywhere. And at the same time there were quiet coves going about methodically examining a jade bowl here and an enamel tablet there, consulting and appraising and dropping 'em in their knapsacks—you know that porcelain statuette on the mantel, or the pretty screen with dragons on it that Aunt Sophie's so proud of? That's what they were picking up, while alongside 'em Patsy Hooligan was kicking a door in because he couldn't be bothered to try the handle, and Pierre Maquereau was grimacing at himself in a Sèvres mirror and taking the butt to his own reflection, and Yussef Beg was carving up an oil painting with his bayonet, and Joe Tomkins was painting a moustache on an ivory Venus, haw-hawing while Jock MacHaggis used it as an Aunt Sally, and the little Chinaman from down the road—oh, don't forget him—was squealing with glee as he ripped up cloth-of-gold cushions and capered among the feathers. ![]() Whom Flashman would strenuously attempt to avoid on another occasion which set off another adventure. But back it. quote:The three of us took a turn in the gardens, and watched a group of enthusiasts digging up shrubs and flowers and sticking them in jade vases filched from the rooms. "I can see these taking splendidly in Suffolk!" cries one. "I say, Jim, if only we can keep 'em alive, what a capital rockery we shall have!" Give him the transport, he'd have had the blasted trees up. Author's note posted:The looting of the Ewen-ming-ewen by the French, the subsequent visit by Elgin (whose reaction Flashman reports correctly), the generals' conference about dividing the spoil, the participation of British troops and Chinese villagers, the wanton destruction of anything too big to carry, etc., are all confirmed in other accounts; most of the eye-witnesses express sadness, disgust, or horror, but (with the exception of a few, notably Elgin and Grant) seem to have taken their share. Wolseley, who watched the proceedings with an artist's eye, has interesting reflections on the psychology of looting—which, incidentally, is not a subject to be pronounced on by those who have never had the opportunity. (See Wolseley, Swinhoe, Wrong, McGhee.) Interesting that black jade's existance is no longer doubted, nor is it considered terribly remarkable, nephrite or jadeite. I wonder if a large amount was found in the past 50/100 years. At any rate, that's enough of the cultural devastation, next time back to the human cost.
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It's very interesting to see this time overlap of almost medieval-style looting with more modern ideas. I guess this is mid- rather than late-19th century. But even so it seems odd to see these officers who are all recognisably modern people - Wolseley stays active through the turn of the century - involved in such stuff. Arguably that hypocrisy is central to the whole colonial project, behind the language of diplomatic grievance and this political mission to Beijing, the UK was just forcing another sovereign government to allow the sale of addictive drugs. But it still seems odd, I mean all these guys write their memoirs. What did they say? Friday, negotiated with the barbarous orientals who have treated our prisoners most shockingly. Saturday, nicked some lovely vases.
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I don't think that looting ever really stopped in major ground wars. Where do you think all that Nazi memorabilia came from?
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Darth Walrus posted:I don't think that looting ever really stopped in major ground wars. Where do you think all that Nazi memorabilia came from? Or destruction. See Iraq for a more recent example.
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Darth Walrus posted:I don't think that looting ever really stopped in major ground wars. Where do you think all that Nazi memorabilia came from? Well no, but there was a move in Western countries to it being more on the unofficial side. Plenty of units came back from Iraq with statues, flags, golden AKs etc, despite the official policy and the Army searching and confiscating plunder etc. But top generals weren't writing to MPs defending their troops' right to X amount of money in lieu of booty, as they seem to be doing here. Actually I'd like to know more about Fraser's sources on this. My previous understanding was that the British Army didn't have an official system of prize money (the govt handing sums to the troops to compensate them for what they seized from the enemy) in the way the Royal Navy did. So I know nothing about any official or semi-official systems that existed.
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