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quote:"The prisoners are safe!" someone had hollered when I first rode into Elgin's headquarters, supposing that my appearance heralded the return of the others. They weren't, and it didn't, although hopes ran high when Loch and Parkes turned up a day later; they'd been released fifteen minutes before their vermilion death warrant arrived at the Board of Punishments. Whether Yehonala or the mandarin who had special charge of them, Hang-ki, had held it back, or whether they were just plain lucky, we never discovered. They'd had a bad time: Parkes had escaped with binding and hammering, but Loch had been dungeoned and shackled and put to the iron collar, and from what he'd seen he suspected that some of the others had been tortured to death. Whether Elgin had any earlier suspicion of this I can't say; I think he may have, from the way he questioned me about my treatment. In any event, his one thought now was to get them out. Lord Elgin posted:Pekin, The entire Gazette is rather interesting. quote:The other bodies came two days later; they had been used in the same fashion, fourteen of them, and if Elgin had given the word, our army would have slaughtered every man in Pekin. Author's Note posted:On the treatment of the prisoners and the return of the bodies, Flash-man is scrupulously exact. (See Loch and others, with the depositions of Daffadar Jawalla Singh and Sowars Khan Singh and Bugel Singh, all of Fane's Horse.) quote:What riled everyone was that the Chinks had been careful to surrender on terms before we'd seen the bodies, so there was no hope of the mandarins being punished as they deserved. How to make 'em pay—that was the question that ran through the army camped before Pekin, and Elgin sent word to Kung that there'd be no talk of treaty-signing, or indeed any talk at all, until he'd decided how to avenge our people. Diplomatic clap-trap, thinks I; we'll let the swine get away with it, as usual. I didn't know the Big Barbarian. Well, we'll see how he squares that circle next time! Also, are there any recordings of General Grant's music?
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quote:He glanced at Gros, who came in nineteen to the dozen to say that milor' was bowling a perfect length, it leaped to the eye, the offenders must be made to account for their conduct unpardonable, and no nonsense. It remained only to determine a suitable method of expressing the just indignation of the Powers, and to - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpmeZvyqXdE Thanks Ian, you're the best. quote:"I had no notion," says he affably, "from the conduct of your troops at the Ewen-ming-ewen, that such a sentiment prevailed in France —" Author's Note posted:Whether Flashman is right in his examination of Elgin's motives, he has at least set out clearly the chain of events which led to the decision to burn the Summer Palace, and the arguments which were advanced for and against at the time. And he has done this so fully that there is little to add. Whether Elgin was justified of his act of calculated vandalism is a question which may be set as an interesting historical exercise, but not in the hope of receiving a satisfactory answer. Such matters are simply not to be judged at a distance. It is abominable to destroy priceless works of art; against that, Elgin was faced with the necessity of making a gesture which would not only have the effect of punishment but of inculcating a lesson, and of securing future peace and security so far as he could see; his time and means were limited. His critics cannot merely say he was wrong; they must say what else he could have done, and they must show that it would have been equally effective. And now another of Flashmans great ruminations. quote:Tragedy usually has a fair element of farce about it, and this was seen next day when the mass funeral of our dead took place at the Russian Cemetery, outside Pekin. As Elgin observed, the French had a wonderful time, making speeches in bad taste and following their usual practice of firing the final volleys into the grave and not over it. Chinese observers were heard to remark that this was to make sure the corpses were dead. There were Protestant, Roman, and Greek priests officiating together, which looked odd enough, but the sight I wouldn't have missed was Hope Grant taking part in Papist rituals, sprinkling holy water at Montauban's request, and plainly enjoying it as much as John Knox in a music hall. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]()
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Wow. Thanks for the modern photos.
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mllaneza posted:Wow.
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This was the other piece of the book that is burned into my memory. It’s honestly a really thoughtful look at the whole episode
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Genghis Cohen posted:Ha, I know what you mean, but that's positively nice by Flashman standards. I think the worst thing was probably selling Cassie into a life of unspeakable sex slavery in a hostile society. And being supercargo on a literal slave ship (and, though he doesn't talk about it in those terms, raping one of the female slaves on it himself).
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quote:It burned for almost a week, with a vast pillar of smoke a mile high in the windless air, like some great brooding genie from a bottle, spreading his pall across the countryside; Pekin was a city in twilight, its people awestricken to silence. To them it was incredible, yet there it was, and they saw it, and believed at last. If we hadn't burned it, but had merely occupied Pekin for a season and gone away again, I don't doubt that in no time the Manchoo propagandists would have convinced the population that we'd never been there at all. But with the Summer Palace in flames they couldn't doubt the truth—the barbarians had won, the Son of Heaven had been humbled to the dust, and there was the funeral pyre to prove it. Well, sixty years later he would get half of half his wish. And then half again seventy after that. quote:The treaty was signed with tremendous ceremony, before a great concourse of mandarins in dragon robes, and ourselves in dress uniforms, Elgin looking damned disinheriting and poor little Prince Kung plainly scared out of his wits by Beato's camera, which he seemed to think was some kind of gun. (The picture never came out, either.) It was infernally dull and went on for hours, both sides loathing each other with icy politeness, and the only possibility of fun was when Parkes, that imperturbable diplomat, spotted the chap who'd pulled his hair, standing among the Chinese dignitaries, and I believe would have gone for him then and there, if Loch, the spoilsport, hadn't restrained him. (Parkes got his revenge, though; he had Prince I turned out of his splendid palace, and bagged it for the new British Embassy.) Final Author's Note posted:Flashman disagrees here with Loch, who says that this incident, when Parkes unexpectedly came face to face with his tormentor, the President of the Board of Punishments, took place three days earlier, on October 21. Thank you for that last bit of precision Mr. Fraser. quote:And then, quite suddenly, it was all over. Elgin had his piece of paper, with red seals and yellow ribbon; China and Britain were sworn to eternal friendship; our traders were free to deluge the market with pulse, grain, sulphur, saltpetre, cash, opium (ha-ha!), ![]() Ha-ha! quote:brimstone, and even spelter; there were a few hundred new graves along the Peiho (Moyes at Tang-ku and Nolan at Pah-li-chao among them); the Summer Palace was a smoking ruin; in Jehol a dainty silver finger-nail was poised to pin the Chinese Empire; and I was going down-river on Coromandel, with Elgin's kindly note of appreciation in my pocket, a black jade chess set in my valise, and a few memories in mind. ![]() President Lincoln posted:I propose now closing up by requesting you play a certain piece of music or a tune. I thought "Dixie" one of the best tunes I ever heard ... I had heard that our adversaries over the way had attempted to appropriate it. I insisted yesterday that we had fairly captured it ... I presented the question to the Attorney-General, and he gave his opinion that it is our lawful prize ... I ask the Band to give us a good turn upon it. A shorter update but we'll be finishing the text next time!
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Arbite posted:A shorter update but we'll be finishing the text next time! Lovely stuff as ever, but man, we never read those references but we feel a pang of regret for the ACW book that might have been. Fraser's version of Lincoln was a great foil to Flashman.
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Genghis Cohen posted:Lovely stuff as ever, but man, we never read those references but we feel a pang of regret for the ACW book that might have been. Fraser's version of Lincoln was a great foil to Flashman.
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quote:So it was now—for that's my China story done, save for one curious little postscript—and I could loaf at the rail, looking forward to a tranquil voyage home to Elspeth and a gentleman's life, far away from mist and mud and rice-paddy and dry-dung smells and Tiger soldiers and silk banners and nightmare Banner-men and belching ornamental cannon and crazy Taipings and even crazier Yankees and fire-crackers and yellow faces … no, I wouldn't even miss the gigantic bandit women and jolly Hong Kong boaters and beauteous dragon queens … not too much, anyway. Ah, how long ago that seems. Feels almost three years... quote:"Well, well, I never! Here, take a glass … and do tell me how the Reverend Josiah is keeping. Missionary society doing well, is it?" Flash, Susanna and the elders isn't a thing for Anglicans. quote:She gave her head a little toss, going pink, and glanced at me slantendicular. "And you promise faithfully not to tell … anything? Oh, if only I could be sure!" quote:[With words apparently failing their author for once, the eighth packet of the Flashman Papers ends here.] And how could a tale involving not one but two pearls of the Orient possibly end before someone's Shanghaid by a crimp? Thank you very much for reading! Next time will be the last update with the appendices and final thoughts.
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quote:APPENDIX I: The Taiping Rebellion Even today, one can't get a definitive answer on something as simple as whether the black flag of victory or death was real. quote:APPENDIX II: The Orchid ![]() 'Until next time, dear barbarian.' quote:APPENDIX III: The Doctor of Letters of the Hanlin Academy More excerpts from this diary can be found here. ![]() Strong words from Auberon Waugh there. Another cover describes it as the best Flashman yet and it's hard to disagree. We began this story with Flashman wanting nothing more than to avoid trouble in the far east and instead he is able to offer an all sides look at the bloodiest of civil wars. Unlike in Great Game, we do not see the conflict from spark to climax but instead are dropped in the middle and leave before the end. By the time Flashman blows through all factions are talking past each other and indulging in their own realities and attempting to impose their own standards of conduct: The Taipings demand that all kneel towards their lord which they view with the blind fervour of the fanatic and declare that those closer and closer to him at the South Capital (南京) are increasingly to be revered. They refuse to see the reality acknowledge the reality of their slaughter and the consequences of their limitations. The Imperials at the Northern Capital (北京) are further entrenched in their ways and have less regard for the human being at the top than they do to the for the dynasty and their own place around it. They refuse to believe what has been ingrained as impossible, that any barbarian could exist where they did not want them to be, least of all coming straight at the son of heaven. The foreigners consider the present uncertainty itself to be impossible and while at the farthest outpost at the ends of their empires insist that they must formalize on their own terms what is already status quo. These fixations meant that only whichever could bring the strongest force of arms would be allowed to continue with their reality. And glad to see the back it all is Flashman, searching for trollops (and occasionally Trollope's) at a moment's chance. His cowardly, vindictive, and rapacious side is on full display, and with it his skills in observation and language, providing a first hand look at all the pivotal players and moments. It's Flashman at his most, which to many means Flashman at its best. Much like the Sepoy Mutiny, I would not have learned of the Taiping Rebellion beyond its statistics for many years without Flashman guiding me towards it, so I suppose I can blame Fraser, Kou Shibusawa, and the Hearts of Iron devs in Sweden for me having very specific knowledge Chinese geography and three eras of its whistory and nearly nothing else about it. Perhaps I'll visit someday. Certainly the book made me curious about a few sites. Thank you all very much for reading the eighth Flashman Paper with me. I hope you enjoyed it, and please share your thoughts.
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Well done bringing it to a conclusion! Not much to say except that I also agree it's one of the very best in the series, and the Taiping rebellion is shockingly unknown, at least in the western world, for the scale and horror of what it was.
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Same. One of the best, an absolutely forgotten pivotal moment of history, some of Flash at his best (worst) moments, some of the best humor and reverses of fortune. Contains some of the most memorable moments of the whole series. The series can start to feel a little samey; with his typical reactions and outlook making the adventures in India, China, America, and Africa all start to blend together. Hard to believe we’re basically at the midpoint. But this was a high water mark, for sure. Nice job landing the plane.
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Thanks for your hard work Arbite, I went through the books years ago and reading these posts has been a treat. The Taiping Rebellion is such a fascinating piece of history that I think unfortunately gets lost in the mix of history as it happened right around the same time as that other civil war. As an aside, reading along with the updates got me curious on what the contemporary British take on the situation was. I think Punch tended to focus on events closer to home, but guessing from the dates these were published and how fast news would travel back then the outrage over Parkes and the others was just as strong at home. CW: 1860's style Sinophobia ![]()
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An Insular Possession by Timothy Mo is very good on that, though it's a bit later (it's about the founding of British Hong Kong)
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Larry Gonick's Cartoon History of the Universe has a good section on the Taipeng Rebellion, which is how I first learned of it.
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Thranguy posted:Larry Gonick's Cartoon History of the Universe has a good section on the Taipeng Rebellion, which is how I first learned of it. Wow, I remember those books as a kid! I think I must have only had them up to more or less the end of antiquity, I don't remember any snippets that are medieval or modern.
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Genghis Cohen posted:Wow, I remember those books as a kid! I think I must have only had them up to more or less the end of antiquity, I don't remember any snippets that are medieval or modern. The last two parts were marketed as Cartoon Histoty of the Modern World I and II, change of publisher necessitated the new title but it's the same series in spirit. (And Volume III of Universe came out after a long gap, that's where the medieval bits are.)
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I was reading “An Antidote against Melancholy”, a 1661 collection of “drolleries”, and found what appears to be a prototypic folk song version of Flashman’s favorite tune;An Antidote against Melancholy, Catch 15 posted:O! the wily wily fox, with his many wily mocks, It lacks a bit of the fluency of the 19th century version. But the book comes with a disclaimer; quote:These witty Poems, though sometimes may seem to halt on crutches, They’re right, i read it for free.
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skasion posted:I was reading “An Antidote against Melancholy”, a 1661 collection of “drolleries”, and found what appears to be a prototypic folk song version of Flashman’s favorite tune; I love the old style of having a little preface or dedication at the start of the book. I am rather fond of the one Thackeray put before Barry Lyndon: “It was in the reign of George II. that the above-named personages lived and quarrelled ; good or bad, handsome or ugly, rich or poor, they are all equal now”
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Thanks to this thread I'm now close to reading the whole series, just starting on Angel of the Lord. I never in my life thought anything could make me interested in damned cricket.
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