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Mr. Humalong
May 7, 2007

mod is a psychopath

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Byers2142
May 5, 2011

Imagine I said something deep here...
Real Mafia players don't need votefinder. :colbert:

It's early enough D1 I need to ask; is that a serious vote on Sal?

Mr. Humalong
May 7, 2007

Byers2142 posted:

Real Mafia players don't need votefinder. :colbert:

It's early enough D1 I need to ask; is that a serious vote on Sal?

trying to head off the idiots who will say "if u got a scum result y u no vote sal?????"

I don't trust my result obviously, but I don't trust everyone else either.

Anomalous Amalgam
Feb 13, 2015

by Nyc_Tattoo
Doctor Rope

Mr. Humalong posted:

i copped sal and got scum

##vote sal

Mr. Humalong posted:

trying to head off the idiots who will say "if u got a scum result y u no vote sal?????"

I don't trust my result obviously, but I don't trust everyone else either.

Det. Amalgam flicked open a near rusted zippo, sparked a cigarette and had a hearty laugh punctuated by thick plumes of smoke. Someone with a bit more enthusiasm might even say he laughed his rear end off.

"Cut the crap, Humalong. You're drunk."

SalTheBard
Jan 26, 2005

I forgot to post my food for USPOL Thanksgiving but that's okay too!

Fallen Rib

Mr. Humalong posted:

i copped sal and got scum

##vote sal

You are some sort of insane cop then because I'm town

Anomalous Amalgam
Feb 13, 2015

by Nyc_Tattoo
Doctor Rope
I copped Bee and got town.

Byers2142
May 5, 2011

Imagine I said something deep here...

Mr. Humalong posted:

trying to head off the idiots who will say "if u got a scum result y u no vote sal?????"

I don't trust my result obviously, but I don't trust everyone else either.

Who cares what idiots say? It's strange to throw out a vote to avoid people questioning you, based on untrustworthy data.

Lumpen
Apr 2, 2004

I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.
Plaster Town Cop
I think it is suspicious that Humalong is playing like it isn’t Dethy. Feigned?

Anomalous Amalgam
Feb 13, 2015

by Nyc_Tattoo
Doctor Rope
Stranger that Humalong voted, then made another post shortly thereafter having forgot he did in fact vote for Sal.

It's oddly self-conscious.

Byers2142
May 5, 2011

Imagine I said something deep here...

b-minus1 posted:

##vote hal sorry buddy

Missed this above the quote, same question to you; this serious?

Anomalous Amalgam
Feb 13, 2015

by Nyc_Tattoo
Doctor Rope

b-minus1 posted:

##vote hal sorry buddy


^Scum rolecop right here

Oh yeah that's weird. Are you calling byers a scum role cop or hal?

Byers2142
May 5, 2011

Imagine I said something deep here...

Anomalous Amalgam posted:

Stranger that Humalong voted, then made another post shortly thereafter having forgot he did in fact vote for Sal.

It's oddly self-conscious.

I don't read it that way. Posts go:

1. Better vote Sal
2. Votefinder no go?
3. Mod is Anarchy
4. Answering me direct about Sal

Anomalous Amalgam
Feb 13, 2015

by Nyc_Tattoo
Doctor Rope
AH, I completely misread that. Whoops~!

Anomalous Amalgam
Feb 13, 2015

by Nyc_Tattoo
Doctor Rope
It donned on Amalgam too late that it was he who was in fact drunk. ~Ron Howard

Byers2142
May 5, 2011

Imagine I said something deep here...

Anomalous Amalgam posted:

It donned on Amalgam too late that it was he who was in fact drunk. ~Ron Howard

And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

b-minus1
Jul 24, 2008

She's a maniac, maniac
on the floor
And she's dancing like she's never danced before

Anomalous Amalgam posted:

Oh yeah that's weird. Are you calling byers a scum role cop or hal?

I copped Hal and received a SCUM result.

I'm calling Byers a scum rolecop that rolecopped lumpen. He knows Lumpen's actual role, in addition to alignment (obviously), and now anyone that provides any result on lumpen will give the scum info into that player's role, which can be used to help prioritize night kills. The logic checks out and there are no other possibilities IMHO.

Anomalous Amalgam
Feb 13, 2015

by Nyc_Tattoo
Doctor Rope

Byers2142 posted:

Lumpen came up TOWN. I want to hear from other people who copped Lumpen; points of convergence are a good way to self-solve.


b-minus1 posted:

I copped Hal and received a SCUM result.

I'm calling Byers a scum rolecop that rolecopped lumpen. He knows Lumpen's actual role, in addition to alignment (obviously), and now anyone that provides any result on lumpen will give the scum info into that player's role, which can be used to help prioritize night kills. The logic checks out and there are no other possibilities IMHO.

I'm not following, but I am dumb... illuminate me.


Byers2142 posted:

And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

hoisted by my own petard

SalTheBard
Jan 26, 2005

I forgot to post my food for USPOL Thanksgiving but that's okay too!

Fallen Rib

b-minus1 posted:

I copped Hal and received a SCUM result.

I'm calling Byers a scum rolecop that rolecopped lumpen. He knows Lumpen's actual role, in addition to alignment (obviously), and now anyone that provides any result on lumpen will give the scum info into that player's role, which can be used to help prioritize night kills. The logic checks out and there are no other possibilities IMHO.

That is an interesting theory. I copped Byers as Town so it can't be possible unless I"m one of the insane cops (which very well could be the case since there is more of those than just straight cops)

Byers2142
May 5, 2011

Imagine I said something deep here...

b-minus1 posted:

I copped Hal and received a SCUM result.

I'm calling Byers a scum rolecop that rolecopped lumpen. He knows Lumpen's actual role, in addition to alignment (obviously), and now anyone that provides any result on lumpen will give the scum info into that player's role, which can be used to help prioritize night kills. The logic checks out and there are no other possibilities IMHO.

Scum know all alignments already, they know which results are accurate and which aren't. They don't need to focus on one player. The logic is about 180 degrees from checking out.

GenericGirlName
Apr 10, 2012

Why did you post that?

Byers2142 posted:

Scum know all alignments already, they know which results are accurate and which aren't. They don't need to focus on one player. The logic is about 180 degrees from checking out.

They do not start the game knowing what flavor of cop everyone is. They have to cop instead of night action for that info.

Byers2142
May 5, 2011

Imagine I said something deep here...

b-minus1 posted:

I copped Hal and received a SCUM result.

In fact, let's use this as an example.

Suppose Hal is town and b is town. Based on this claim alone, scum know b is not Sane, Naive, or Binary. They don't need a rolecop to do that math, and the rolecop does nothing more than solidify their information on the player they rolecopped.

Town can get value by overlapping actions on a player (similar to a standard Dethy). Scum don't need to. Scum want us not to overlap.

Byers2142
May 5, 2011

Imagine I said something deep here...

GenericGirlName posted:

They do not start the game knowing what flavor of cop everyone is. They have to cop instead of night action for that info.

Yes, but they don't need people to claim actions on the rolecopped target (see my last post, I know we posted at the same time). b is saying scum would want claims about the rolecopped player, which makes no sense.

GenericGirlName
Apr 10, 2012

Why did you post that?

Byers2142 posted:

In fact, let's use this as an example.

Suppose Hal is town and b is town. Based on this claim alone, scum know b is not Sane, Naive, or Binary. They don't need a rolecop to do that math, and the rolecop does nothing more than solidify their information on the player they rolecopped.

Town can get value by overlapping actions on a player (similar to a standard Dethy). Scum don't need to. Scum want us not to overlap.

Ah I see, you meant they can figure it out, not that they already know.

A similar thought: scum can also use the Non-Overlapping claims to confuse town by lying about having also copped that person.

Tis the dangers of a crazy setup.

Nep-Nep
May 15, 2004

Just one more thing!

Mr. Humalong posted:

trying to head off the idiots who will say "if u got a scum result y u no vote sal?????"

I don't trust my result obviously, but I don't trust everyone else either.

that would be kind of a scummy line of questioning in a game where your own results probably don't mean much at first.

Given that you don't trust your result, you're voting to prevent someone approaching you with a line of questioning that town probably wouldn't???

Byers2142
May 5, 2011

Imagine I said something deep here...

GenericGirlName posted:

Ah I see, you meant they can figure it out, not that they already know.

A similar thought: scum can also use the Non-Overlapping claims to confuse town by lying about having also copped that person.

Tis the dangers of a crazy setup.

Yes, but we should still make those claims. They aren't very useful now, but get more useful in later days. For now, I'm filing them but not spending a lot of time worrying about them.

When I asked for Lumpen-specific actions, it was more so I didn't miss one since those are useful to me to self-solve.

Byers2142
May 5, 2011

Imagine I said something deep here...

b-minus1 posted:

I copped Hal and received a SCUM result.

Leaving aside your comments about me, why are you voting Hal? Just the cop result?

Anomalous Amalgam
Feb 13, 2015

by Nyc_Tattoo
Doctor Rope
(it's remarkable how light jokephase has been, the benefits of a N0, I guess)

Byers2142
May 5, 2011

Imagine I said something deep here...

Anomalous Amalgam posted:

(it's remarkable how light jokephase has been, the benefits of a N0, I guess)

Only thing better for moving through jokephase than a N0 is a D1 vig.

SalTheBard
Jan 26, 2005

I forgot to post my food for USPOL Thanksgiving but that's okay too!

Fallen Rib
So far:
B- - Cop Hal - Scum result
Sal - Cop Byers - Town result
Byers - Cop Lumpen - Town result
AA - Cop B- - Town Result
Scumalong - Cop Sal - Scum
Lumpen - Cop Hal - Town

Byers2142
May 5, 2011

Imagine I said something deep here...

SalTheBard posted:

So far:
B- - Cop Hal - Scum result
Sal - Cop Byers - Town result
Byers - Cop Lumpen - Town result
AA - Cop B- - Town Result
Scumalong - Cop Sal - Scum
Lumpen - Cop Hal - Town

Nep self-copped, Scum result

chaoslord
Jan 28, 2009

Nature Abhors A Vacuum


Town result on Krell

Lumpen
Apr 2, 2004

I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.
Plaster Town Cop

Nep-Nep posted:

I copped myself, got a scum result
I think this is a Scummy thing claim to have done.

If you’re Town, don’t self-Cop. It won’t tell you anything very useful for lynching Scum.

SalTheBard
Jan 26, 2005

I forgot to post my food for USPOL Thanksgiving but that's okay too!

Fallen Rib

Byers2142 posted:

Nep self-copped, Scum result

In sticking with my mantra of "If you claim scum I want to cuddle you"

##vote Nep

Nep-Nep
May 15, 2004

Just one more thing!
I didn't claim scum. I claimed that was the result of my self cop. Which I could t do if I was scum. Sure I could be bluffing but why draw that attention to myself?

Nep-Nep
May 15, 2004

Just one more thing!

Lumpen posted:

I think this is a Scummy thing claim to have done.

If you’re Town, don’t self-Cop. It won’t tell you anything very useful for lynching Scum.

If you're town self copping is copping the one person whose alignment you know. As a n0 it seemed worth it to me

SalTheBard
Jan 26, 2005

I forgot to post my food for USPOL Thanksgiving but that's okay too!

Fallen Rib
Honestly if I had known I could self Target I would've copped myself

SalTheBard
Jan 26, 2005

I forgot to post my food for USPOL Thanksgiving but that's okay too!

Fallen Rib

Nep-Nep posted:

I didn't claim scum. I claimed that was the result of my self cop. Which I could t do if I was scum. Sure I could be bluffing but why draw that attention to myself?

##unvote

chaoslord
Jan 28, 2009

Nature Abhors A Vacuum


Nep-Nep posted:

If you're town self copping is copping the one person whose alignment you know. As a n0 it seemed worth it to me

SalTheBard posted:

Honestly if I had known I could self Target I would've copped myself

Neither of y’all thought very much about it, huh?

chaoslord
Jan 28, 2009

Nature Abhors A Vacuum


SalTheBard posted:

In sticking with my mantra of "If you claim scum I want to cuddle you"

##vote Nep

SalTheBard posted:

Honestly if I had known I could self Target I would've copped myself

##vote sal

Sal drops either a joke vote or a really bad serious vote, tries to encourage suboptimal play, and then backs away from his vote immediately (which makes me think it was a serious vote rather than joke)

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GenericGirlName
Apr 10, 2012

Why did you post that?

Byers2142 posted:

Yes, but we should still make those claims. They aren't very useful now, but get more useful in later days. For now, I'm filing them but not spending a lot of time worrying about them.

When I asked for Lumpen-specific actions, it was more so I didn't miss one since those are useful to me to self-solve.

Oh yes, more info is always better for town imo. I hope this policy doesn't bite me this game, but tis the nature of Copfia.

I realized just how I didn't share my n0.
Copped Chaoslord, got SCUM.

What's that emote with the dude nodding and pointing?

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