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Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

Joining because of roster.

# ¿ Aug 5, 2019 19:59

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# ¿ Apr 23, 2024 12:28

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

Confirmin' totally Town Cop, Amigos!

# ¿ Aug 6, 2019 14:36

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

I copped Hal and got TOWN.

# ¿ Aug 6, 2019 20:33

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

I think it is suspicious that Humalong is playing like it isn�t Dethy. Feigned?

# ¿ Aug 6, 2019 20:59

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

Nep-Nep posted:

I copped myself, got a scum result

I think this is a Scummy thing claim to have done.

If you�re Town, don�t self-Cop. It won�t tell you anything very useful for lynching Scum.

# ¿ Aug 7, 2019 00:33

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

Nep-Nep posted:

If you're town self copping is copping the one person whose alignment you know. As a n0 it seemed worth it to me

SalTheBard posted:

Honestly if I had known I could self Target I would've copped myself

Read the OP and really think about it. Self-copping doesn't have a very good chance of telling you anything useful to the goal of catching Scum, and also leaves you with nothing of value at all to say to Town the next day.

It only makes much logical sense as a thing for Scum to lie about having done, to protect themselves from getting caught in lies about others and being outed by process of elimination, in this setup.

# ¿ Aug 7, 2019 02:05

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

Nep-Nep posted:

I know I'm neither sane nor naive, which I think is a helpful start. If I'm not flipped to confirm me then eventually it's possible to put together a model where interpreting me as town lets you rule those two out for me. That's a start and I don't find that information worthless.

Okay so if you are Town you have narrowed your own role down to SEVEN possibilities, and provided absolutely nothing of any value for us after you flip, at which point we will already know what you were.
If you're Scum you're telling the easiest possible lie to maintain.

Summary: If you are Town, don't self-cop. It's bad.
##vote Nep-Nep

# ¿ Aug 7, 2019 02:33

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

Nep-Nep posted:

So do you actually think I'm lying or are you voting me for playing badly, because if it's the latter wtf

Well we know for sure that you're not the Sane Cop. If you're the Paranoid Cop then your existence could be valuable, but you are the logical lynch today because we know you are not the Sane Cop. You could be Scum (likelier than anyone else I see), and with anyone else we risk lynching the Sane Cop.

If you are Town, logically and optimally you should self-vote.
If you don't self-vote, then you are even more likely to be Scum, which further justifies my vote on you.

# ¿ Aug 7, 2019 02:40

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

Lumpen posted:

Well we know for sure that you're not the Sane Cop. If you're the Paranoid Cop then your existence could be valuable, but you are the logical lynch today because we know you are not the Sane Cop. You could be Scum (likelier than anyone else I see), and with anyone else we risk lynching the Sane Cop.

If you are Town, logically and optimally you should self-vote.
If you don't self-vote, then you are even more likely to be Scum, which further justifies my vote on you.

I meant Insane Cop, not Paranoid Cop, btw.

Since there is claimed overlap on Lumpen (Byers says Town and Krell says Town) and Hal (Lumpen says Town and b-minus1 says Scum), Lumpen or Hal would be the most informative lynches for today, right?

Should b-minus1 and I target each other tonight?

Behaviourally I suspect Humalong and NepNep most.

# ¿ Aug 7, 2019 05:39

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

People I would vote today: Nep-Nep, b-minus1, Humalong, Hal.
People I would not vote: Byers, Chaoslord, AA, Sal, Krell, GGN

# ¿ Aug 7, 2019 18:39

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

b-minus1 posted:

The self cop was not a bad play and I will not be voting nep today

Bold stance for D1, would you please elaborate on why you declare you will definitely not be voting Nep-Nep today?

# ¿ Aug 7, 2019 18:46

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

Here's a question that should help Townies look Town and Scum look Scummy (or lurk):

Why did you target the person you picked on N0? Explain your thought process.

# ¿ Aug 7, 2019 21:20

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

Lumpen posted:

Why did you target the person you picked on N0? Explain your thought process.

I copped Hal because he's a habitual lurker, and so I wanted to either start building up reason to vote him off more quickly if he lurks.

Byers2142 posted:

So you were reading but not posting, then saw a vote on you so started to post despite the server issues?

I also vouch there have been intermittent server issues lately.

# ¿ Aug 7, 2019 23:02

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

Sal seems hapless and strategically deficient but also sincere and un-contrived.
I judge him likely Town-minded.

# ¿ Aug 8, 2019 01:17

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

Byers2142 posted:

Can you repost the corrected version of this, Byers? (Error is I got Town on Hal)

# ¿ Aug 8, 2019 14:27

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

Byers2142 posted:

Not before deadline; I'm phone posting only and the sheets to screenshot to imgur to here loop is a singular pain to run.

The only error is in your result; the chart at the top uses your correct result, I just typed it wrong when I added the bottom chart.

Okay I will make my own chart when my kids go down for naps!

# ¿ Aug 8, 2019 14:45

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

Byers2142 posted:

The best way to find early patterns is to force overlaps on the same night, your plan spreads us thin and while more comprehensive is slower to solve.

I think having the more distributed and through record is more valuable, especially as the endgame approaches, when a flip of a Sane or Insane Cop then can reveal Scum for sure in a past investigation.

Anomalous Amalgam posted:

. I think we should target the person next below yourself on the roster, going to position 1 if you're last player.

Going with AA's plan makes a relentlessly tightening noose, and if we all agree to a systematic approach it also ties the Scum's hands more in terms of what they can choose to lie about.

Investigate the living person right below you in the roster, and we demand result reports starting with the last-claimers of the previous day.

# ¿ Aug 8, 2019 14:59

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

Byers2142 posted:

Just to make it clear, my suggestion for how we cop tonight is we have players 1-5 on the below cop Lumpen, 6-11 cop Hal.

That gives us all the overlap we need on N1 to really make N0 and future results more usable. We also have Krell, GenGirl, and... whomever was third to last today claim first tomorrow so that if they are scum they can't sit and claim at the end of the day two days in a row.

The problem with this is even if we quickly figure out who's the Sane/Insane cops, then we expose them for Scum to kill and they don't have many useful investigations accomplished.

If we step through a distributed pattern, then when the useful Cops are revealed by logoc or flip, they will more likely have catches of Scum in the history.

# ¿ Aug 8, 2019 15:02

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

Byers2142 posted:

I think that we're more likely to identify scum via identifying claimed actions that are impossible rather than by the Sane/Insane cop catching one of the scum, so I think we're going about it two different ways. I'm trying to label everyone so that if someone that could only be a Binary cop, say, had the wrong N1 result for Binary, we know they're scum.

My understanding is that the only two cops that matter in your approach is the Sane and Insane cop, and only then after they flip and only for targets they had that are still alive, correct? What if we have a rule that no one can cop the same person twice, giving you a wide net, but still focus people on set targets tonight to get overlap for my approach?

As long as we all can decide on an approach and punish defectors who don't follow the plan, I can go with either.

Maybe we should put it up to a vote?

Option 1: Split between Hal/Lumpen
Option 2: Vote the next living person below you on roster (bottom wrap to top).

My vote is Option 2.

# ¿ Aug 8, 2019 16:00

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

Anomalous Amalgam posted:

There's a third option that kind of combines the two.

Voting blocks like byers suggests but smaller groups. At least a third.

Ah, worst of both worlds... Thanks, I hate it.

# ¿ Aug 8, 2019 17:00

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

What would Scum do? Obfuscate, dither, prevent organization, hem and haw.

I urge swift adoption of a protocol and then we should follow it, whatever it is. I think having everyone agree to pursue an algorithm is more important than which one it is.

# ¿ Aug 8, 2019 17:45

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

Ok, I think the brain trust consolidates behind the plan of:
Investigate the next living player down from you tonight on the roster in the OP.

Defectors should be considered highly suspicious.

##vote Mr. Humalong
I would also vote Nep-Nep, Hal, or b-minus1.

My best guess right now is that Nep-Nep and b-minus1 are the two Scum.

Currently Krell, GGN, Hal, and b-minus1 all have fewer posts than the mod.

# ¿ Aug 8, 2019 18:15

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

Byers2142 posted:

Wait, what? Why not case them, then?

Nep it's based on just the self-cop, right? And I don't see anything in your posting about b-minus, what did I miss?

Apparently my post history. Click the question mark under my avatar.

# ¿ Aug 8, 2019 18:42

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

Players

1. b-minus1
2. GenericGirlName
3. Hal Incandenza
4. Harold Krell
5. Nep-Nep
6. chaoslord
7. SalTheBard
8. Byers2142
9. Anomalous Amalgam
10. Mr. Humalong
11. Lumpen

Nep-Nep posted:

So according to the spreadsheet I should be copping clord right?

Yes according to the roster you should cop chaoslord.

b-minus1 posted:

If you cop chaoslord I�ll cop Sal. Or we could both cop chaoslord.

You seem not to be reading the thread. Why is that? Is it because you're Scum?

You are supposed to cop GGN.

Does anyone else not understand the scheme?

# ¿ Aug 8, 2019 21:19

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

Votecount for Day 1

Mr. Humalong (3): Byers2142, Lumpen, Hal Incandenza

Harold Krell (1): Mr. Humalong

chaoslord (1): Nep-Nep

Hal Incandenza (1): b-minus1

SalTheBard (0): Mr. Humalong, chaoslord, ~~Mr. Humalong~~, ~~chaoslord~~

Nep-Nep (0): SalTheBard, ~~SalTheBard~~, Lumpen, ~~Lumpen~~

Not Voting (5): Anomalous Amalgam, chaoslord, GenericGirlName, Harold Krell, SalTheBard

With 11 alive, it's 6 votes to execute. The current deadline is August 08^th, 2019 at 5 p.m. EDT -- that's in about 38 minutes.

Do we really need to wait until midnight to get 3 more measly votes? Humalong said:

Mr. Humalong posted:

I’m fine being voted out, if I flip sane or insane cop then we have either identified a scum or cleared someone.

loving take him up on it.

# ¿ Aug 8, 2019 21:23

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

Byers2142 posted:

You asked b- about not voting Nep, but there's nothing else there about b-. Is that it?

Note his lack of response to my questioning, and now he�s not been reading or caring about any of the discussion about copping strategies.. Like a Scum.

# ¿ Aug 8, 2019 21:48

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

Byers2142 posted:

Past deadline, so either we missed D1 or we have an extension.

Assume extension, since cutting it off with a no lynch in a state of ambiguity would be pretty mean.

Mr. Humalong posted:

ok ill cop lumpen

Probably not, unless you make a compelling case on someone who isn�t you.

# ¿ Aug 8, 2019 22:08

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

Okay, if you are Town, please say 3 people you would vote for!
If you are Scum, disregard this.

It�s a shameful thing how many people are not voting at all.

# ¿ Aug 8, 2019 22:52

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

For posterity. Note the lurkers.

# ¿ Aug 8, 2019 23:03

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

Anomalous Amalgam posted:

We keep the advantage by not lunching anyone.

Terrible idea. This setup is close to all-Vanilla when you think about it. Would you want to no-lynch if it was all-Vanilla? Lynching is the only way Town can win.

# ¿ Aug 9, 2019 00:32

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

Byers2142 posted:

Agreed: also, you asked for it and I'm home now...

Great, just as I finish...

This assumes that both Lumpen and Byers are TOWN.

# ¿ Aug 9, 2019 01:30

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

Dang I filled it in with Harold Krell's initial claim of SCUM on Humalong, fixed the bottom part but didn't fix the matrix.

# ¿ Aug 9, 2019 01:32

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

Corrected for Krell lie.

*This assumes that both Lumpen and Byers are TOWN.

# ¿ Aug 9, 2019 01:35

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

Byers2142 posted:

You can't rule out Residue; scum rolecop happens first, if they visited N0 then a SCUM result is possible.

How do you know it happens first?

# ¿ Aug 9, 2019 01:41

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

Duurrrr I just read the OP

# ¿ Aug 9, 2019 01:42

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

Byers2142 posted:

You can't rule out Residue; scum rolecop happens first, if they visited N0 then a SCUM result is possible.

But you could 50% rule them out, right? There were 4 Scum results, and a maximum of 2 caused by Residue, so the 4 people who got SCUM results are half-ruled-out of being the Residue Cop. Is that... right?

# ¿ Aug 9, 2019 01:47

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

# ¿ Aug 9, 2019 01:53

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

Votecount for Day 1

Mr. Humalong (6): Byers2142, Lumpen, Hal Incandenza, Nep-Nep, Anomalous Amalgam, b-minus1

Harold Krell (1): Mr. Humalong

SalTheBard (0): Mr. Humalong, chaoslord, ~~Mr. Humalong~~, ~~chaoslord~~

Nep-Nep (0): SalTheBard, ~~SalTheBard~~, Lumpen, ~~Lumpen~~

chaoslord (0): Nep-Nep, ~~Nep-Nep~~

Hal Incandenza (0): b-minus1, ~~b-minus1~~

Not Voting (4): chaoslord, GenericGirlName, Harold Krell, SalTheBard

With 11 alive, it's 6 votes to execute. The current deadline is August 08^th, 2019 at 10 p.m. EDT -- that's in about 25 minutes.

# ¿ Aug 9, 2019 02:34

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

That's not possible unless a Town lied about their N0 results.

# ¿ Aug 9, 2019 03:05

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# ¿ Apr 23, 2024 12:28

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

I think maybe Krell is caught Scum now?

# ¿ Aug 9, 2019 03:08

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