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Dec 10, 2011

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SardonicTyrant posted:

I get the feeling they're setting is up so Butcher slowly turns into more of a monster instead of the comic where he was always a psycho and just needed an excuse to hurt people.

Butcher has already killed a baby for literally no reason whatsoever. I'd be interested to hear when someone becomes a monster in your opinion.

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Dec 10, 2011

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I'm honestly anticipating the Seven splitting straight down the middle, if not eventually coming down to the rest of them versus Homelander.

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DrNutt posted:

I was actually pretty drat surprised by the reveal that (finale spoiler just in case) Homelander went off script to create supervillains and it wasn't something Vought cooked up. I've yet to see a bottom too low for American Capitalism so I didn't really buy that Vought had been making supes for 50 years and never thought they needed villains as well.

It makes sense when you consider that the superheroes are a product and a license to Vought. They're not going to do anything that would potentially endanger their cash cows. Homelander is willing to do it, though, because he's never encountered anything that can actually hurt him and it's made him think that nothing can.

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FilthyImp posted:

No, it really can't be repeated enough that Homelander in the comics is really, really straight-laced.

Homelander in the comics is the one who first demands a blowjob from Starlight and he gets Captain America to suck his dick every year on the back of an eternal promise of a future spot on the Seven. He's not strait-laced at all; he's as much a hedonist as any of them.

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Dec 10, 2011

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Zwabu posted:

Looks like Mesmer has to touch people to get his mind meld going. So that's an important limitation on what he can get up to, but one that can certainly be worked around.

It would probably be helpful for him to disguise himself various ways, change his appearance.

He could still make himself incredibly rich and powerful with his ability though, it's probably better than anyone's power aside from Homelander.

Unless they are keeping 24/7 surveillance on him just to keep him from using his ability to get anywhere.

It's very probable that they are. Every casino in the world likely has his face on the wall for a start.

Plus, it looks like his power is nowhere near as accurate as was portrayed in his TV show. When he reads the Female he doesn't get everything, or even everything they need to know.

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Dec 10, 2011

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jfood posted:

I really appreciated her work, like she was wearing a wooden mask with absolute screaming terror right behind it. show no fear and tiger won't eat you.

That's a pretty good assessment of show-Stilwell, I think. Of course it gets her killed because Homelander knows she's afraid. She's trying and failing to be book-Stilwell, who gets his job and survives it by being an emotionless corporate psychopath with no fear of life or death.

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Dec 10, 2011

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Taintrunner posted:

Yeah I absolutely wouldn't call that a cliffhanger and knowing the source material if this ended up a one-season show, that would have been the perfect fuckin' place to end it. Like what a gently caress-you, motherfucker ending.

It was a cliffhanger, but it was a definite "gently caress you" to the fans - in a good way. The episode titles are drawn from story arcs up to the midpoint of the run, but the last episode is named for the last issue of the comic.

I also wouldn't be surprised if Amazon ordered the second season up front because it's a two-and-done. I can't see the material stretching out much further.

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Panfilo posted:

Also, the scene with Homelander gleefully lasering terrorists while "Rock the Casbah" was so good. Those glowing red eyes in the dark are incredibly menacing.

Not Rock the Casbah - it was Rachid Taha's cover, Rock el Casbah. Which is the definitive version of the song anyway, and more people need to listen to it.

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That Italian Guy posted:

In the movies it's probably played out like some kind of 300-macho-naked-greek thing - he also wear a suit in the movie poster we see on the bus at the beginning.

In the movies they probably use special effects to turn his clothes invisible. They're hardly accurate representation to begin with.

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Dec 10, 2011

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BIG HEADLINE posted:

This show is so well done, it makes me hate the new season of Preacher even more. Only two episodes in and it's a disjointed mess, and "God" doing an in-show ad for Diet Dr. Pepper is a little much.

Preacher and The Boys exist in the same universe. Don't ask how.

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Dec 10, 2011

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Groovelord Neato posted:

the second is how i read the scene and why they may still be keeping the comic storyline partly.

That wouldn't surprise me either. Casting an actor as Black Noir serves a double purpose. First, it throws people off the scent of the twist. In the comics we get it when BN shoots down the airliner at Herogasm; because Homelander is at an orgy at the time you don't question why he's flying around naked. Second, it has the extra benefit of not having to shoot scenes twice to duplicate him.

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Dec 10, 2011

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Panfilo posted:

Interesting to note about compound V is that it is rather harmful to adults in the long run. It eventually gives A Train a heart attack I assume. Homelander also mentioned it took a bunch of tries to get some terrorist Superheroes. I think the reason Homelander is the most powerful among the Supes is because it was given to him as an embryo, so I bet the rape you get it the greater and more stable the super powers are.

You might want to reword that last sentence. You seem to have changed your flow partway through it. I don't disagree with anything you said, though.

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Dec 10, 2011

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Halloween Jack posted:

Unlike comic-book speedsters, A-Train doesn't have any kind of physics-bending power. He's just strong and tough enough to move that fast without killing himself. This means he usually can't do normal things in a fraction of the time because he just rips poo poo apart; the only stunt like that he pulled in the show is when he killed his girlfriend Popclaw.

You don't need superpowers to fly around the world raping and murdering whoever you want; you just need money.

I forget who it was that said "money is my superpower".

Fun fact about A-Train - the thing he wears on his chest isn't armour. It's a splash guard.

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Phenotype posted:

e: actually that's three different detective stories he's ruined. I forgot about the side mystery about how Batman and Robin fell out. They had a threesome with Harley Quinn and now they hate eachother because something something sexuality.

Catwoman.

And I wouldn't say Hitman was very far ahead of Punisher Max at its best, if at all.

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Phenotype posted:

Hitman had some pretty good bits in there, though. The fight with the SAS, the Wild West arc, that one issue where Superman shows up on the rooftop and has a heart to heart with Tommy. I tend to enjoy Ennis's work when he's restrained by DC's editorial board or has a partner or producer that's willing to rein him in. The man has some real talent, but he's just too unbelievably immature to be allowed out without an adult.

I'm not about to argue. His run on Hellblazer was excellent, and there's little in DC that tops the Hitman/JLA Special. But overall, Hitman mainly pushed buttons that Ennis has pushed time and again.

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Dec 10, 2011

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Plan Z posted:

As it moves on, there's maybe only one filler side-arc, and most people kind of hate it because it's basically just a porn comic that's made even worse by the fact that it's drawn by a really bad guest artist.

I'm assuming you're talking about Herogasm here? While I won't dispute that it's a poor comic overall, I will take issue with you calling John McCrea a bad artist. If you look at the work he did on Troubled Souls, Chopper (or even Hitman when it wasn't about Section 8) and compare it to other collaborations with Ennis like Herogasm or Dicks then it's night and day, and I don't think he lost craft between ages 23 and 40 or began dialing it in like Dillon did sometime in the late 90s. I'm not going to make value judgements, but I just think he cares a heck of a lot less about the work when Ennis is being weird.

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Dec 10, 2011

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sanguinary posted:

I would be shocked if we don't see her start to speak in season 2. They already gave Kimiko a name so she's not just "the Female", and they had her talk through Mesmer. I expect part of her healing will include her talking to Frenchie.

In the comic she speaks exactly twice. I'd expect them to stick to that.

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Dec 10, 2011

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Dr. Killjoy posted:

Frenchie’s celebrity likeness in the comics was Jean Reno, a Moroccan born from a Spanish family.

No, it wasn't. There's also a number of hints in the comic that the Frenchman isn't really French. I'm glad they've gone with the more serious and sane Frenchie who peeks through now and again in his relationship with the Female.

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Dec 10, 2011

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Just Chamber posted:

Have you checked the state of twitter lately?

You 100% would have posters like I quoted saying the show wasn't diverse enough and why couldn't A-Train be played by a black actor, yet they'd be the same people complaining that he is right now.

Soundwave, the supe that is contesting A-Train for Fastest Man Alive (and would probably have won if A-Train wasn't doping) is white. Anyone complaining that A-Train is black is doing so because he's black, not because of any stereotyping.

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Dec 10, 2011

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Zaphod42 posted:

Or maybe just have a Trump analogue and imply he was set up by Vought? :cheeky: We'll see.

Vic the Veep is already a pretty good analogue for Trump. Cataclysmically stupid and owned by oligarchs.

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Dec 10, 2011

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Red Oktober posted:

What was this song/scene? I can’t think.

Homelander slicing up terrorists to Rock el Casbah?

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Starks posted:

London Calling is a perfectly appropriate song for a fight what are y’all talking about

Someone in production has a mad-on for the Clash, for sure.

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Dec 10, 2011

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I see the Waldorf and Statler phase has begun.

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Starks posted:

I thought the scene with him shaving his head was supposed to be him finally realizing how badly he hosed up. I wouldn’t be surprised (or upset) if the deep didn’t show up next season.

It could equally be him trying to get back on top by adopting a new grimdark edgy image. He'll absolutely be back for S2; the question is which way he goes with it.

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Dec 10, 2011

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Zwabu posted:

I don't think The Deep has appeared in any way remorseful over pressuring Starlight into sex at any point.

He only seems sad about his loss of status.

They could just as easily move on from his character entirely and have him essentially vanish from the show except to appear in the odd lobster killing joke scene.

Did the event with him making Starlight give him a hummer happen in the comics?

Yes, but it was Homelander.

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sexpig by night posted:

yea the best twist for a guy like him is no twist at all. Why is Black Noir like that? I dunno man he just is a weirdo, he fights crime good and has a cool brand and that's all we care about.

Well, the whole point is that he really doesn't "fight crime good". None of them do, and it's not something that Vought care about. It's all about the brand.

One of the better parts of BN in the comic is that he has a Noirjet kept aboard the Seven's flying base because the comic writers gave him a Noirjet and so people expect him to have one in real life. But he can't actually fly it, and every time they try to teach him how he crashes it before even getting out of the hangar. Whether or not they go with the twist, I hope they keep that.

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Dec 10, 2011

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SardonicTyrant posted:

Well, if we're talking favorite authors, I think I'm getting into Warren Ellis. He's not as clever as he thinks he is, but his comics are pretty weird in the good way.

He's also a massive oval office.

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Dec 10, 2011

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the escape goat posted:

there’s always season two, perhaps they’ll include the subplot of Tek Knight saving the world by loving an earthbound meteorite in half

That was a hallucination caused by his brain tumour.

I do hope they introduce Tek Knight, though, as long as we get the Tek Cave lavatory in all its glory.

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Dec 10, 2011

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Julio Cruz posted:

Hugh Laurie is the undisputed best Brit doing an American accent and Gerard Butler is probably the worst.

God, no, not even close. Lexx once did an episode guest starring Craig Charles and Hattie Hayridge of Red Dwarf as the owners of a private Texan prison. Hayridge's attempt at a Texan accent is awful beyond parody, but it was quite probably still better than Charles's because he just used his natural Scouse accent throughout.

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Stairmaster posted:

I thought Hanzo steel was a thing from kill bill

Tarantino doesn't make original movies. They're a framework of parts from cinema history held together by a coherent vision of what he wants the movie to be.

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Dec 10, 2011

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Bust Rodd posted:

You have to remember that not everyone spends all day, every day, online talking about politics and fascism and the alt-right. Fascism doesn’t immediately spring to everyone’s minds whenever an evil blonde man is talking.

Yeah, mostly they just think "it's dementia, isn't it? And that hair is a wig."

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Pattonesque posted:

"The Boys: The TV Show" is basically "What if 'The Boys: The Comic Book' had a ruthless and omnipotent editor to slice away all the poo poo Ennis never grew out of"

The Boys was the ultimate expression of Ennis's hate boner for superheroes. The main theme is "with great power comes no responsibility, because who the gently caress can hold you responsible?" The supes are all sexual deviants and druggies because the people in power in the real world are sexual deviants and druggies. Not to say that Ennis hasn't written hosed up poo poo because he likes being edgy, but all the most extreme stuff in The Boys is being done by characters who never had to grow up.

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Asgerd posted:

Still, it was a goddamn masterpiece compared to Crossed.

Between that and Providence, I feel that Jacen Burrows needs to be on some kind of watch list.

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PostNouveau posted:

Homelander completely no-sells it if that's their plan. He doesn't protest at all about it.

If it matches the comic storyline then Homelander genuinely thinks he's the one who did it.

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Providence was very very good though. Burrows' really chilly art style worked there pretty well I thought.

You might want to think twice before telling us how much you loved the book with literal child pornography, Sparky.

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Supreme Allah posted:

Anyone remember this show? Its like Watchmen except, fun to watch.

Some news -- https://www.thecinemaspot.com/2020/04/29/exclusive-the-boys-lands-early-season-3-renewal-at-amazon-season-2-episode-titles-revealed/


- Season 2 did finish filming, won't be delayed and should be out in a couple months
- Season 2 episode titles revealed -- they're super vague as expected but still, some people like to go in fresh!!
- Season 3 has been approved already

Some of those titles are potentially quite revealing. No spoilers, but expect S2E7 to be Butcher's origin story.

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Stupid_Sexy_Flander posted:

I'm like 85% sure he was cast. I think it was that stranger things cop guy. They one from the hellboy reboot.

I'm pretty sure you're thinking of the Black Widow movie, where he's been cast as a Soviet era version of Captain America. Which was Vas's role in Glorious Five Year Plan, to be fair.

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Blaise330 posted:

Also calls woke culture "Just white people pretending like they're doing something". This would make for a super boring tv show if this was the dialogue.

Good job it isn't part of the main storyline, then.

Ennis's thing has always been that he likes to show his characters being people as well as being characters. He feels that it's easier to empathise with someone if you've seen them chatting about something that isn't the plot.

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Grendels Dad posted:

But why does being people so often include being miserable fucks?

You have been to Ireland, yes?

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Bust Rodd posted:

Garth Ennis is actually so cool that huge fans of his work are turning them into awesome, weird TV shows 20 years later. Lots of people like Garth Ennis.

Happily they're taking out the gratuitous bits, though. Ennis can do that stuff extremely well in side stories - Preacher: The Good Ole Boys being a case in point - but he keeps putting it in his main storylines to their detriment.

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zoux posted:

His Punisher run is supposed to be definitive but I couldn't hang with it.

The first storyline, The Slavers, and Valley Forge, Valley Forge are all you really need to read from the MAX run. Welcome Back, Frank is a good mainstream story as well - it's got that Ennis freakshow thing going on, though.

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