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That Italian Guy: Jul 25, 2012; We need the equivalent of the shrimp = small pastry avatar, but for ambulances and their mysteries now.

bobjr posted:

Does it ever say where Butcher and the team get all the money/supplies they need? Early on Butcher mentions getting funding from the FBI if he got proof, but they never seemed to struggle in that regard

In the show I presume it's mostly through oddjobs and crime, although Butcher, MM and Frenchie have worked for the CIA in the past, through Mallory; in the comics the Boys are a black ops squad with ties to the CIA so they get their funds (and the rest of the stuff) from them.

# ¿ Aug 5, 2019 17:35

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# ¿ Apr 23, 2024 18:41

That Italian Guy: Jul 25, 2012; We need the equivalent of the shrimp = small pastry avatar, but for ambulances and their mysteries now.

FilthyImp posted:

What kind of a loser thinks "the invisible guy that's naked all the time, yeah that's my guy"

In the movies it's probably played out like some kind of 300-macho-naked-greek thing - he also wear a suit in the movie poster we see on the bus at the beginning.

# ¿ Aug 6, 2019 09:59

That Italian Guy: Jul 25, 2012; We need the equivalent of the shrimp = small pastry avatar, but for ambulances and their mysteries now.

Bust Rodd posted:

https://www.polygon.com/2019/8/6/20747593/the-boys-amazon-politics-hard-to-watch

Ben Kuchera is consistently one of the dumbest voices in nerd media.

Here�s AV Club with its weird �the satire doesn�t go far enough� take

https://www.avclub.com/amazons-the-boys-illustrates-the-limitations-of-satiriz-1836960144/amp

A good thing about the article is that it has this video embedded:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bbINn6FRZU

# ¿ Aug 6, 2019 15:53

That Italian Guy: Jul 25, 2012; We need the equivalent of the shrimp = small pastry avatar, but for ambulances and their mysteries now.

Panfilo posted:

I'm not sure how supportive police would be about supes- seems like the supes would be stealing their thunder a lot of the time and if the public sees supes that could just, say, teleport suspects into jail or turn their bullets into steam or something then there's little need to have cops doing a whole bunch of things. Not to mention countless undercover cops that will get maimed or killed by accident from supes intervening by accident.

Literally a plot point in Watchmen (with the police strikes) and the Comedian going ballistic on the protesters.

# ¿ Aug 6, 2019 18:29

That Italian Guy: Jul 25, 2012; We need the equivalent of the shrimp = small pastry avatar, but for ambulances and their mysteries now.

Crimpolioni posted:

Starlight shows it's not impossible to raise someone with superpowers and have them turn out okay. Just let them live as normal a life as posssible, and then recruit them when they become adults.

She managed to be alright growing up as the equivalent of a child pageant starlet with an helicopter mom, so even better than that.

# ¿ Aug 8, 2019 15:08

That Italian Guy: Jul 25, 2012; We need the equivalent of the shrimp = small pastry avatar, but for ambulances and their mysteries now.

^^^^^^ I bet this is going to be a point if they ever show us POTENTIAL COMIC SPOILER what happened to LampLighter, since it's been...lampshaded :rimshot:

heavily in Season 1

bring back old gbs posted:

gently caress sakes Butcher, buy a 2nd gun, that ones clearly faulty

You come at the king, you best not miss *misses*

That Italian Guy fucked around with this message at 11:43 on Aug 9, 2019

# ¿ Aug 9, 2019 11:39

That Italian Guy: Jul 25, 2012; We need the equivalent of the shrimp = small pastry avatar, but for ambulances and their mysteries now.

When comic Frenchie tells his backstory it's full of absurd over the top French stereotypes, including a baguette-jousting fight with an evil frenchman in a striped shirt and a floppy hat. I found it funny that show Frenchie overshares about his life (probably lying) cause comic Frenchie is a bit of a mistery.

# ¿ Aug 13, 2019 21:57

That Italian Guy: Jul 25, 2012; We need the equivalent of the shrimp = small pastry avatar, but for ambulances and their mysteries now.

Who is A-train competing against? We know supes are super from the get go, and we know from the commercial that there are only 200 superheroes in the Vought "family". I guess the idea is just "it's all stunt races", like the one with the other speedster? How many speedsters can there be in a pool of 200 superheroes with a ton of different powers?

# ¿ Aug 14, 2019 08:51

That Italian Guy: Jul 25, 2012; We need the equivalent of the shrimp = small pastry avatar, but for ambulances and their mysteries now.

McSpanky posted:

That's just it, there's 200 supers at Vought, there's probably a lot more that aren't. Vought picks from the cream of the crop, and the best of the best of them get into the Seven. There's no way there's a cottage industry of child hero pageants on the level of IRL beauty pageants if there's only like 200 supers total.

Yeah I guess Mesmer has been kicked out of the "Vought family", so they're probably going with that angle. Now that I think about it, there's a bunch of non Vought "villains" in the comic too, so that's it most likely.

# ¿ Aug 14, 2019 11:45

That Italian Guy: Jul 25, 2012; We need the equivalent of the shrimp = small pastry avatar, but for ambulances and their mysteries now.

1. It is the same guy (and it looks like a potential major PR issue for Vought).
2. In the comics the Homelander grows increasingly detached from humanity and in the end leads a superhero revolt against the government. Just before that, while attending the Christian fair that's also in the show, he lifts a car that has been won by a lucky family with the family in it. In theory he is supposed to fly them home, but in reality he says "I'm the only man in the sky" before plaunging them to the death. In general, the timeline from the show is quite altered from the comic book one, so the Christian fair is almost at the end of the story.

I have to say I have appreciated the fact that season 1 has Butcher build up the team instead of having Hughie join them with the Boys already up and running. I'm not sure about the changes to MM's background though I'm glad they got rid of the whole lactation/tentacle monster part, but I wish they'd kept some of it; his family's story fits very well with the whole "gently caress corporations" vibe. I guess it would clash with the whole ""normal" people VS supes" angle most of 1st season has kept though.

That Italian Guy fucked around with this message at 13:05 on Aug 14, 2019

# ¿ Aug 14, 2019 12:54

That Italian Guy: Jul 25, 2012; We need the equivalent of the shrimp = small pastry avatar, but for ambulances and their mysteries now.

Schmeichy posted:

Read through the whole thread and this is the closest anyone's been to my prediction for Becca. She was either blackmailed or convinced that having the rape baby and raising it to not be a monster was the only solution for stopping Homelander. She was looking for a way to get back at Homelander and followed a drastic plan just like her husband.

That's definitely going to be a theme one way or another in Season 2, cause they stressed it so much in the last few episodes.

# ¿ Aug 21, 2019 09:09

That Italian Guy: Jul 25, 2012; We need the equivalent of the shrimp = small pastry avatar, but for ambulances and their mysteries now.

CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:

BTS look at Black Noir and his powers: https://i.imgur.com/FKfbLrz.mp4

HE IS doing great.

# ¿ Oct 21, 2019 19:55

That Italian Guy: Jul 25, 2012; We need the equivalent of the shrimp = small pastry avatar, but for ambulances and their mysteries now.

pile of brown posted:

In the comics the closest equivalent.

Isn't Translucent a stand-in for Jack from Jupiter? At least the parts that are in both media. Lamplighter is going to be in the show as well, since we know Mallory's nephew have been burned alive...and I think Lamplighter is mentioned in the show, and even make an appearance in the comics that are shown at the very start of EP1?

# ¿ Nov 16, 2019 17:21

That Italian Guy: Jul 25, 2012; We need the equivalent of the shrimp = small pastry avatar, but for ambulances and their mysteries now.

Could that be MM's ...milk? Maybe they've changed the plot so that his mom/family was involved in the baby superhero plot and that somehow backfired? Not sure how they could put MM's backstory in without him being a super. Unless I guess if he could live without the milk - but still got "super" by drinking it?

# ¿ Dec 7, 2019 17:51

That Italian Guy: Jul 25, 2012; We need the equivalent of the shrimp = small pastry avatar, but for ambulances and their mysteries now.

El Padrino posted:

Maybe it's Stilwell's milk. So yeah, definitely Homelander being weird.

Oh yeah I don't know why the first time I saw that scene I only saw the milk itself and I thought it was Hughie instead of Homelander lol.

# ¿ Dec 9, 2019 09:46

That Italian Guy: Jul 25, 2012; We need the equivalent of the shrimp = small pastry avatar, but for ambulances and their mysteries now.

Not really sure if changing what was essentially an alt-right nazi superhero into something else (anything else) is really the best idea in this day and age...but I guess they are going for something completely different anyway for the character. S2 is probably going to be wildly different from the comic, plot wise.

# ¿ Mar 10, 2020 00:29

That Italian Guy: Jul 25, 2012; We need the equivalent of the shrimp = small pastry avatar, but for ambulances and their mysteries now.

kanonvandekempen posted:

Have you seen that belt buckle? I don't think they changed Stormfront as much as you think. I have a feeling those weird clamps around her upper arms with the american flag will come off to reveal something else at some dramatic moment.

Yeah I guess they're just trying to be coy about the character in the interview with what they choose to put the spotlight on.

# ¿ Mar 10, 2020 10:42

That Italian Guy: Jul 25, 2012; We need the equivalent of the shrimp = small pastry avatar, but for ambulances and their mysteries now.

Alan Smithee posted:

"we regret to inform you Stormfront is now a communist"

I mean we are still missing Love Sausage...

# ¿ Mar 10, 2020 11:11

That Italian Guy: Jul 25, 2012; We need the equivalent of the shrimp = small pastry avatar, but for ambulances and their mysteries now.

massive spider posted:

OG stormfront is a Thor/Shazam expy on The Boys Avengers spoof team so genderswapping them makes me wonder if they're a Captain Marvel now.

Isn't Thor a woman now? I don't really follow Marvel comics, but I think I remember people freaking out about that.

Also I think the whole "Stormfront is going to disrupt the Seven" is cause she's simply going to be Vought's foil to Homelander, now that he is going rogue-ish. Gus Frings is going to bring her in to try and control him now that Stillwell is dead, COMIC BOOK SPOILER since Stormfront is the only "believable" threat to Homelander if they have completely changed the whole Black Noir plot, maybe swapping it with Homelander Jr.

# ¿ Mar 10, 2020 15:28

That Italian Guy: Jul 25, 2012; We need the equivalent of the shrimp = small pastry avatar, but for ambulances and their mysteries now.

MizPiz posted:

He doesn't care about any sort of societal project that isn't centered around letting him him get away with whatever he wants. I know you could argue that that's an underlying goal of fascism, but Homelander is so hyperindividual that political, economic, and social matters just doesn't concern him; all that matters is what he, personally, is allowed to do.

CottonWolf posted:

As someone who's never read the comics, I never read Homelander as a fascist. Maybe he makes use of similar imagery, but he's a sociopath plan and simple. There's no evidence he has any political agenda, he just likes power, and is willing to say whatever it takes for him to get it. If suddenly Evangelical-chic wasn't working for him, he'd change to arch-leftist in presentation immediately to stay at the top, if that's what was required.

That is the textbook definition of ur-fascism: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_of_fascism#Umberto_Eco. It is also the type of fascism the alt-right is all about. They don't care about the politics of fascism, or any other political or ethical idea, the only thing they care about is to be on top - and to do so the ones leading the movement say whatever their followers want to hear, creating an enemy they can rally against, rallying the people around a religious zeal and so on.

Mussoliniwas famous in his stark antitheological stances (he was, literally, a member of the socialist party) and only a few years later he was saying that God had chosen him, cause that's what the people wanted to hear.

Of course Homelander cares less about the people, cause he doesn't really need their support - he just need to stay on top at Vaughn. And by the end of the show, not even that...so he does start as a fascist tool, and then his psychopathy emerges and takes over more and more until he is just a loner doing whatever he wants at the end.

Edit: this discussion was so common awhile ago that someone bought this smile: :umberto:

That Italian Guy fucked around with this message at 09:42 on Mar 30, 2020

# ¿ Mar 30, 2020 09:09

That Italian Guy: Jul 25, 2012; We need the equivalent of the shrimp = small pastry avatar, but for ambulances and their mysteries now.

Grendels Dad posted:

Well, does she have weather powers?

She does

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# ¿ Mar 31, 2020 09:44

That Italian Guy: Jul 25, 2012; We need the equivalent of the shrimp = small pastry avatar, but for ambulances and their mysteries now.

E: ^^^^^ also this.

Stupid_Sexy_Flander posted:

I think we already had that in season 1. Can't imagine them going into more detail on it. They covered pretty much everything.

In the comics at least there is a flashback to Butcher's youth/formative years. I haven't looked at the titles cause I like to go in fresh (even if I read the comic, this is probably going to be quite different in structure), but I presume the title for s2e7 to be a series of nouns.

# ¿ Apr 30, 2020 13:55

That Italian Guy: Jul 25, 2012; We need the equivalent of the shrimp = small pastry avatar, but for ambulances and their mysteries now.

Bust Rodd posted:

The overwhelming majority of twitter activists are just white people angry posting from the safety and comfort of their homes though. I don�t think Ennis is talking about BLM or like real effort movements there, he�s talking about Millenial Twitter Dems who still watch The Daily Show because they grew up when it was good but lack the critical thinking skills or any sense of self necessary to recognize it sucks now.

As a leftist those kinds of libs are the worst. These are the people who get mad at Nigerian kids for posting Knuckles memes because it�s racist to Nigerians or whatever, they have absolutely no idea what is going on around them and they speak exclusively in pablum and sound bites.

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# ¿ Jun 7, 2020 14:07

That Italian Guy: Jul 25, 2012; We need the equivalent of the shrimp = small pastry avatar, but for ambulances and their mysteries now.

Koalas March posted:

I never read Preacher (outside of that panel about the white supremacists being chinless gorms lol) but I really liked the show. I imagine that's the best way to experience Ennis. Filtered through producers and screenwriters.

The show is a lot different from the comic (even more than The Boys, I would say); the show is better of course from a "lack of unregulated Ennis" content, but I would say I like the comic's pacing a lot better, at least in the first part. The show is a bit of a slow burner, while the start of the comic is a rapid fire series of "wtf is happening" moments - so you go from "this is set in the normal world" to "this is absurd" super fast, and the effect is almost disorientating, but in a good way. S1 of the show is more or less the first comic I would say? So you have 1 volume of content diluted into 10h of TV. It's still good, but I remember being annoyed by the slower pace at first cause it looked more like filler than world building at times.

Imagine if the first act of MiB1 was a 10h long miniseries instead of 30mins of a movie and you would have a good idea of what I'm talking about.

That Italian Guy fucked around with this message at 12:43 on Jun 20, 2020

# ¿ Jun 20, 2020 12:41

That Italian Guy: Jul 25, 2012; We need the equivalent of the shrimp = small pastry avatar, but for ambulances and their mysteries now.

Jerusalem posted:

Legit my favorite showcase of the power but also limitations of The Word in that TV series is the following:

Jesse: SING ME SOME JOHNNY CASH
Cassidy: ♪ me some Johnny Cash! ♪

And they're both so tickled pink by it

The only bad thing about Cassidy is Gilgun's Irish accent. The funny thing is, Ruth Negga is Irish and plays an American character right next to him and she's excellent.

# ¿ Jun 22, 2020 10:16

That Italian Guy: Jul 25, 2012; We need the equivalent of the shrimp = small pastry avatar, but for ambulances and their mysteries now.

Bust Rodd posted:

Some of these ideas sound so hosed and gross I WOULD like to read them for myself. Does the Boys have a large anthology or should I just bargain hunt for trades?

You really shouldn't and Herogasm is peak Ennis. We really don't need it at all - nor that I think the show would go that way in any case, the sleazy night club in s1ep1(?) was enough to show that supes have secret vice enclaves and that they are hedonistic shits.

# ¿ Jun 22, 2020 13:32

That Italian Guy: Jul 25, 2012; We need the equivalent of the shrimp = small pastry avatar, but for ambulances and their mysteries now.

Jedit posted:

Herogasm should have been one issue in the main run. It didn't need its own loving miniseries.

Yeah almost nothing of importance happens in it (that it couldn't have happened in a different way). It's just Ennis's masturbatory (eheh) list of "let's really think hard about what hosed up super fetishists would get into" things.

# ¿ Jun 22, 2020 13:37

That Italian Guy: Jul 25, 2012; We need the equivalent of the shrimp = small pastry avatar, but for ambulances and their mysteries now.

AFewBricksShy posted:

I've always pronounced it to rhyme with Tennis. No idea if that's the right way though.

It's similar to that, but the sound is a bit more closed. Something like In-nus. ("I" like in Indiana and the "u" is mostly silent in a "NN" sound). In-ns.

That Italian Guy fucked around with this message at 15:55 on Jun 22, 2020

# ¿ Jun 22, 2020 15:53

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Bust Rodd posted:

Patton Oswalt is so unbelievably successful for just being a stubby nerd that he singlehandedly reinforces the idea that meritocracy is real and if you just put in the work you can do anything.

Have you seen Justified? The man is deceptively dangerous.

# ¿ Jun 25, 2020 23:24

That Italian Guy: Jul 25, 2012; We need the equivalent of the shrimp = small pastry avatar, but for ambulances and their mysteries now.

Groovelord Neato posted:

Are you loving kidding me with this release schedule.

I definitely have enjoyed Watchmen more due to its release schedule. If a series has good plot consistency, it's nice to speculate in between episodes, especially if they give you breadcrumbs that leads to the real reveals and not just Lost style bs. The SA thread for Watchmen was able to get some pretty big plot twists before they were due thanks to these bread crumbs, and the experience was augmented and not diminished by it.

# ¿ Jun 26, 2020 23:17

That Italian Guy: Jul 25, 2012; We need the equivalent of the shrimp = small pastry avatar, but for ambulances and their mysteries now.

Ahaha of course in the modern version of the boys Stormfront is an alt-right Twitter influencer

E: also holy poo poo, the first 3 minutes of Season 2 sure are something :yeshaha:

That Italian Guy fucked around with this message at 00:30 on Jun 27, 2020

# ¿ Jun 27, 2020 00:16

That Italian Guy: Jul 25, 2012; We need the equivalent of the shrimp = small pastry avatar, but for ambulances and their mysteries now.

Cacafuego posted:

Home

If you search online for "list of best X-Files episodes", 95% of the names are always going to be one off, monster of the week or otherwise experimental ones.

I am partial to Monday (incidentally, written by Vince Gilligan) due to it's super cool take on the classic Groundhog Day formula; I love the fact that everything starts at the same point every time, but people are behaving/responding to things in a slight different way each day - since they are not robots with 100% perfect action/reaction routines - with the accompanying butterly effect.

# ¿ Jul 2, 2020 12:02

That Italian Guy: Jul 25, 2012; We need the equivalent of the shrimp = small pastry avatar, but for ambulances and their mysteries now.

Stupid_Sexy_Flander posted:

Black Noir is pretty tough, but don't forget he also got slashed up by The Female last season.

Even in the show, the fights that are supe vs supe are mainly just sucker punches. A-Train beat TF by repeatedly smashing her head into the wall at super speed. She beat him by leaping out of a vent or something and crowbaring him in the femur.

They haven't really had a dramatic movie style fight with anyone yet. Looks like it might be at least one this season though.

In the comics at least, most Supes punch way above their endurance - as in, a Supe would probably be unable to survive a good punch from themselves.

It looks like we'll get at least a Stormfront fight in the series, and that is one of the few prolonged fights I can remember from the comics as well at least until Vas shows up.

# ¿ Jul 11, 2020 13:45

That Italian Guy: Jul 25, 2012; We need the equivalent of the shrimp = small pastry avatar, but for ambulances and their mysteries now.

TaurusTorus posted:

As a counterpoint, Mesmer seemed pretty baseline other than the mind stuff.

In the comics at least - and in the TV show, probably, since the Vaught commercial mentions "hundred" of Vaught branded supes - there are plenty of Supes in the world, with varying levels of power. The process is not always working out the same, so you could get Homelander and a random super doofus by using the same steps. One outcome is way more common than the other, of course.

# ¿ Jul 14, 2020 12:51

That Italian Guy: Jul 25, 2012; We need the equivalent of the shrimp = small pastry avatar, but for ambulances and their mysteries now.

FilthyImp posted:

Wait. Did that dipshit just beach a whale so he could do a Cool Comic Hero Pose thing?

That's probably the Deep catchphrase in the merchandise, at this point.

# ¿ Jul 29, 2020 09:11

That Italian Guy: Jul 25, 2012; We need the equivalent of the shrimp = small pastry avatar, but for ambulances and their mysteries now.

Looks like the Boys are getting an "11" character? I don't remember anything like that from the comic (especially cause the "unstable, dangerous and non comunicative diminutive woman" slot is already taken by The Female. Maybe they are going to make Kimiko a bit more of a character and they need a replacement.

# ¿ Aug 5, 2020 10:22

That Italian Guy: Jul 25, 2012; We need the equivalent of the shrimp = small pastry avatar, but for ambulances and their mysteries now.

McSpanky posted:

The Seven are all rich enough, and they don't seem to keep particularly close tabs on the team aside from scheduled events. Deep's just an idiot.

I wouldn't be so sure about that, in the comics at least there is a huge disparity in profits between the various members of the seven between the A-listers - Homelander, Maeve - and the rest (as the Translucent equivalent is quick to remind everyone in the first Seven meeting we get to see). They are still all very rich, but it's the difference between a random bench warmer and a star player in a major league team.

Also the one thing the Seven are much kept under tabs by Vought is PR - even more now with social medias being so much more pervasive than when the comics were written.

That Italian Guy fucked around with this message at 09:47 on Aug 10, 2020

# ¿ Aug 10, 2020 09:45

That Italian Guy: Jul 25, 2012; We need the equivalent of the shrimp = small pastry avatar, but for ambulances and their mysteries now.

RedneckwithGuns posted:

This show definitely doesn't embrace as much of Ennis' wacky stuff as Preacher did.

Avatar/post combo.

# ¿ Aug 12, 2020 09:22

That Italian Guy: Jul 25, 2012; We need the equivalent of the shrimp = small pastry avatar, but for ambulances and their mysteries now.

Jedit posted:

Not half.

Did I hear that Vas was actually going to be in the show, though? Or was that just the guy who got confused with the Black Widow trailer and thought David Harbour was playing him?

Ah, David Harbour would be a great choice for Vas ~~and not just cause I love him in everything he does.~~

# ¿ Aug 12, 2020 10:11

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# ¿ Apr 23, 2024 18:41

That Italian Guy: Jul 25, 2012; We need the equivalent of the shrimp = small pastry avatar, but for ambulances and their mysteries now.

Love the fact that they made Stormfront be the superhero from Portland given her dual nature: on the surface she's too cool for school, on the inside she is actually a hosed up (neo?)Nazi.

I think it's a good catch on whoever noticed the callback to Liberty in one of the episodes - she probably is Stormfront without dyed hairs, brought over to the allies when Vought defected. Was this brought up by the CIA deputy director before her untimely death?

# ¿ Sep 5, 2020 10:04

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