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A friend has helped out at wing retiree breakfasts a few times and it’s always guys who retired 20+ years ago hanging out. Since we’ve been in they’ve done just about everything to make it less fun so once people retire now they never want to come back.
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Casimir Radon posted:A friend has helped out at wing retiree breakfasts a few times and it’s always guys who retired 20+ years ago hanging out. Since we’ve been in they’ve done just about everything to make it less fun so once people retire now they never want to come back. Sounds a lot like my experience with the VFW. Went one time, it was nothing but 70 year old crusty dudes sitting around grumbling at each other and smoking in doors, and now probably wearing MAGA hats. Haven't gone back since and am not in the least bit surprised when I hear about them having membership problems.
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bird food bathtub posted:Sounds a lot like my experience with the VFW. Went one time, it was nothing but 70 year old crusty dudes sitting around grumbling at each other and smoking in doors, and now probably wearing MAGA hats. Haven't gone back since and am not in the least bit surprised when I hear about them having membership problems. Go back and bring up Jane Fonda's lifetime achievement award at the Oscars this year
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canyoneer posted:Go back and bring up Jane Fonda's lifetime achievement award at the Oscars this year That's funny because the VFW wouldn't even allow Vietnam veterans to be in their club because it wasn't a "real" war.
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GWoT wouldn’t be either, then? I’m guessing they’re being asinine about war not being technically declared. Last I heard bullets all fly the same though, no matter what you call it.
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Icon Of Sin posted:Last I heard bullets all fly the same though, no matter what you call it. Gyrojet has entered chat
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Icon Of Sin posted:GWoT wouldn’t be either, then? I’m guessing they’re being asinine about war not being technically declared. Last I heard bullets all fly the same though, no matter what you call it. It's the No Fake Wars club, plural, they're allowed to have one
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Icon Of Sin posted:GWoT wouldn’t be either, then? I’m guessing they’re being asinine about war not being technically declared. Last I heard bullets all fly the same though, no matter what you call it. They got over it at some point and now it's run by the Vietnam vets. I'm guessing when numbers start dropping they start opening up.
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I did a stop the bleed course a while back that was held in a VFW hall and the guy was trying to get me to join as like a son of a VFW (I'm not a vet but both grandfathers were)
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spacetoaster posted:That's funny because the VFW wouldn't even allow Vietnam veterans to be in their club because it wasn't a "real" war. Ask them what they think about the Spanish–American War.
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Platystemon posted:Ask them what they think about the Spanish–American War. Remember the Maine! To Hell With Spain!
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Platystemon posted:Ask them what they think about the Spanish–American War. They probably have some members that served
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I bet if a civil war vet tried to join at any point they’d say something like “it’s foreign wars, you dweeb  ”
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CSA vets are fine tho. For some reason.
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Dwight Eisenhower posted:His passing brings sorrow to the hearts of all of us who cherished the memory of the brave men on both sides of the War Between the States. loving Eisenhower. The occasion was the death of the last member of the Union Army, but Ike still felt that it was an opportunity to jack off the Confederates.
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Platystemon posted:loving Eisenhower. Ehhhh. Lost Cause mythology was running at full strength at the time. By the time Ike was born, the market was saturated with soldiers' memoirs that had been colored by a few decades worth of perception, which being that the Confederacy fought for Rights (please don't ask which) and that the Union fought for the preservation of the United States. That was the accepted truth of the time, historical accuracy having been seen as less desirable than national unity. Ike very likely didn't know better. It wasn't until roughly our lifetimes that the historical record was reexamined and "oh hey turns out it was about slavery all along" became accepted. History is tricky.
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This is also the same guy that sent the 101st Airborne to smack down the Arkansas National Guard.
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McNally posted:Ehhhh. I'm possibly wrong for living through it, but I feel like writing the history of today (assuming historians still exist) is going to be an absolute cluster gently caress and a half. "Yeah I dunno Donald got power, held a violent insurrection, lost, then got power again because, uhhh, well, yeah, reasons, definitely, and then things really went to poo poo in the next chapter so moving right along..."
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"And then they renamed the republican states to the Neo Confederate States, declared the blue states to be vote-less, held a referendum calling for the adoption of the NCS constitution which was basically just "gently caress you got mine, Trump Dynasty". "Rebel leader Chuck Schumer famously lead the democrats into battle against the democrats as he personally cut down 16 popular democratic figures, known for their crime of being young."
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bird food bathtub posted:I'm possibly wrong for living through it, but I feel like writing the history of today (assuming historians still exist) is going to be an absolute cluster gently caress and a half. It's always worth remembering that Hitler came to power after (and despite) going to jail for the Beer Hall Putsch.
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SerthVarnee posted:"And then they renamed the republican states to the Neo Confederate States, declared the blue states to be vote-less, held a referendum calling for the adoption of the NCS constitution which was basically just "gently caress you got mine, Trump Dynasty". Not many know the details on Weimar politics either; they just kinda stop being meaningless after Weimar ceases to he.
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bird food bathtub posted:I'm possibly wrong for living through it, but I feel like writing the history of today (assuming historians still exist) is going to be an absolute cluster gently caress and a half. I think the historiography of this period is going to look a lot like that of the Gilded Age, where historians basically point at the large levels of corruption that exist throughout the system and show that media poisoning sort of set us on these rails as the propaganda machines of our day subverted the democratic ideal of an informed citizenry. You're going to get a lot of stuff about how Americans abandoned the liberal democratic system they had because right-wing media told them to.
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McNally posted:Ehhhh. Not only popular memoirs/novels but Academic History at the time in the US was dominated entirely by Southern white men all pushing the romantic narrative of the Lost Cause(noble slavemasters, well treated slaves, better conditions then northern factories etc), and it wasn't until the 70s that you started seeing a wave of up and coming black historians going "no the gently caress it wasn't" and doing major scholarly research and dredging up the records, interviews, evidence etc. of how horrific slavery was, how central it was to the southern economy, and that the CSA existed solely for the purposes of keeping slaves.
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BUG JUG posted:I think the historiography of this period is going to look a lot like that of the Gilded Age, where historians basically point at the large levels of corruption that exist throughout the system and show that media poisoning sort of set us on these rails as the propaganda machines of our day subverted the democratic ideal of an informed citizenry. You're going to get a lot of stuff about how Americans abandoned the liberal democratic system they had because right-wing media told them to. Probably also looked at the same way as Reconstruction, where many future problems are the result of not fully resolving the crisis the first time. Johnson and Buchanan always show up in top 3 worst presidents for their crimes of bad decisions and indecision.
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canyoneer posted:Probably also looked at the same way as Reconstruction, where many future problems are the result of not fully resolving the crisis the first time. Their crimes were far worse than indecision or a mistake in judgement. Buchanan actively refused to do anything about the secession saying that he had no authority to prevent it. And Johnson.. he might as well have been a confederate. He did everything in his power to appease the Southern leadership to the point that the congress actually overrode his veto of their bills. His active hostility to black rights helped pave the way for the next 100 years (and more) of systemic oppression. They didn't just gently caress up, they were, in one case, willfully incompetent and in the other, malicious and evil.
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canyoneer posted:Probably also looked at the same way as Reconstruction, where many future problems are the result of not fully resolving the crisis the first time. Andrew, not Lyndon before someone shits things up in here. 15 and 17 were spectacularly bad.
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The only good President was #9.
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Steezo posted:Andrew, not Lyndon before someone shits things up in here. 15 and 17 were spectacularly bad. I'm making stink eyes at Lyndon, too.
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bulletsponge13 posted:The only good President was #9.  Stephen Foster was writing songs about how much slaves loved being slaves long before the war even started
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A.o.D. posted:Their crimes were far worse than indecision or a mistake in judgement. Buchanan actively refused to do anything about the secession saying that he had no authority to prevent it. And Johnson.. he might as well have been a confederate. He did everything in his power to appease the Southern leadership to the point that the congress actually overrode his veto of their bills. His active hostility to black rights helped pave the way for the next 100 years (and more) of systemic oppression. They didn't just gently caress up, they were, in one case, willfully incompetent and in the other, malicious and evil. Good thing that kind of president is a thing of the past. Phew.
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Scratch Monkey posted:
I will be sure to tell his ghost that I disapprove of this.
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This era is not going to be talked about and thought of in the same vein as the Gilded Age. None of the new crop of techbro robber barons have any desire to put their names on universities or foundations. They want superyachts the length of Arleigh Burke destroyers (  ) and houses that take up entire ZIP codes.If I had to think up what this time would be called fifty to a hundred years from now it'd probably be the Socioeconomic Ice Age. Everyone except those on top are frozen in place or crushed beneath by the overwhelming weight above them. BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 06:09 on May 16, 2025 |
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Casimir Radon posted:I will be sure to tell his ghost that I disapprove of this. You can find him at the Hotel Paradise. BIG HEADLINE posted:This era is not going to be talked about and thought of in the same vein as the Gilded Age. Probably something closer to the twilight of the Qing Dynasty, some Chinese social media users have made the comparison.
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