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SUPERMAN'S GAL PAL posted:The drama really isn’t Animal Crossing, the issue is an ignorant white (I’m assuming American) person doubling down when being called out on “digital blackface.” While that refers more to reaction images and gifs, there’s related discussion of non-Black people cavalierly using Black avatars like paper dolls without considering the history of how Black people in real life are punished for having natural hair, darker skin tones (see colorism), and so forth. It all feels very subtle or silly, but it’s one of those insidious aspects of racism that gets normalized from an early age and leads to impacting our judgement in unconscious ways. Genuine question because I’m trying to understand all this better; what if I’m a white guy playing the new Spider-Man game where the only possible playable character is a person of colour? Forgivable because I don’t have a choice within the game?
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Through The Decade posted:Genuine question because I’m trying to understand all this better; what if I’m a white guy playing the new Spider-Man game where the only possible playable character is a person of colour? Forgivable because I don’t have a choice within the game?  Are you jumping on Twitter going "Well, in my experience as a Black Multiracial Teenager" or walking down the street tossing Hard R's with "no it's ok I played a video game and"? Then it shouldn't have any bearing on you. If you mean "Am I racist for assuming this identity in game" then no, unless the devs were horrifically racist themselves and hosed the characterization. FilthyImp has a new favorite as of 18:39 on Dec 25, 2020 |
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Dec 25, 2020 18:24
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FilthyImp posted:Maybe they don't know the Soldaderas/Adelitas connection but I'm pretty sure people know Leia doesn't have loving puffs and instead has braids ffs. Danishes
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Dec 25, 2020 18:40
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Through The Decade posted:Genuine question because I’m trying to understand all this better; what if I’m a white guy playing the new Spider-Man game where the only possible playable character is a person of colour? Forgivable because I don’t have a choice within the game? As a white person you’re not allowed to play the new Spider-man game, and also if you have the other Spider-Man game you have to have a black friend and a girl play the Miles and Mary Jane parts while you close your eyes. I recommend befriending a black girl to cover both of those in one go as making multiple friends can be difficult for goons.
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If you are a male and have ever played Ms Pac-Man it’s off to the gulag for you. But seriously, I believe the point of contention is in the use of public-facing avatars, which are ostensibly supposed to represent the player. Like I said it’s a complex issue with room for differing opinions, but it’s a totally different thing than playing as a protagonist that the game itself has given you.
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Dec 25, 2020 18:55
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Through The Decade posted:Genuine question because I’m trying to understand all this better; what if I’m a white guy playing the new Spider-Man game where the only possible playable character is a person of colour? Forgivable because I don’t have a choice within the game? It’s funny because this “genuine question” gets brought up by white people all the time when this scenario comes up, yet they still can’t figure out the answer.
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I'm still confused on what the sequence of events would be to ascertain that a white person is using that hair style in the game. you have to get invited to their island or something? and then you go and see that their av is light skinned with that hairstyle? and then you say "just checking, are you black?"
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Dec 25, 2020 19:19
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Puppy Galaxy posted:I'm still confused on what the sequence of events would be to ascertain that a white person is using that hair style in the game.
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letthereberock posted:But seriously, I believe the point of contention is in the use of public-facing avatars, which are ostensibly supposed to represent the player. ...are they? What about games you play multiple times - I made a dozen different Dark Souls characters, was I supposed to make all of them white guys? I can understand being mad about people deliberately calling a hairstyle by the wrong name, but I’m firmly of the position that people can use any hairstyle they want in Animal Crossing: New HorizonsTM
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Dec 25, 2020 19:46
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This is much much more about fan communities and not what Joe Shmoe decides what thier player character looks like. No one gives a poo poo unless A. you post screenshots online, B. you have a large following and C. you double down when your popularity draws critical attention.
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christmas boots posted:I recommend befriending a black girl to cover both of those in one go as making multiple friends can be difficult for goons. Instructions unclear, I'm now dating her and I forgot about Spider-Man.
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Hardcordion posted:This is much much more about fan communities and not what Joe Shmoe decides what thier player character looks like. No one gives a poo poo unless A. you post screenshots online, B. you have a large following and C. you double down when your popularity draws critical attention. As in all things, never go on Twitter.
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Dec 25, 2020 21:03
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letthereberock posted:But seriously, I believe the point of contention is in the use of public-facing avatars, which are ostensibly supposed to represent the player. Why the ever loving gently caress would you ever want to play as yourself? You're yourself the rest of the time, this is fantasy time
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Dec 25, 2020 21:17
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hazardousmouse posted:Why the ever loving gently caress would you ever want to play as yourself? You're yourself the rest of the time, this is fantasy time This is the reasoning behind most appropriation, yes.
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Dec 25, 2020 21:41
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Are you telling me I, when given the option of choosing or creating, should only play characters that match my gender and race rather than diversifying and expanding the experiences and people I take in?
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"The only way I can know for SURE what it's like to experience systemic racism is to change my skin tone in animal crossing. Do you WANT me to stay ignorant and racist??"
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hazardousmouse posted:Are you telling me I, when given the option of choosing or creating, should only play characters that match my gender and race rather than diversifying and expanding the experiences and people I take in? Just as long as you continue ignoring the systemic reasons minorities are harassed for your favorite cosplay.
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Dec 26, 2020 00:00
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hazardousmouse posted:Are you telling me I, when given the option of choosing or creating, should only play characters that match my gender and race rather than diversifying and expanding the experiences and people I take in? No, absolutely not - but the question of whether it’s ok to take on the persona of a member of a historically oppressed race is an open question. (I personally think it’s fine, but there are people who disagree)
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Dec 26, 2020 00:10
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"You are not allowed to enjoy media containing people of different races and cultures than your own" is a hell of a take
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Dec 26, 2020 00:23
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Nostradingus posted:"You are not allowed to enjoy media containing people of different races and cultures than your own" is a hell of a take “Cultural appropriation is cool and good” is a hell of a take too, but it’s to be expected by hegemonists.
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Nostradingus posted:"You are not allowed to enjoy media containing people of different races and cultures than your own" is a hell of a take 
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Dec 26, 2020 00:59
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ruddiger posted:Just as long as you continue ignoring the systemic reasons minorities are harassed for your favorite cosplay. Wasn't this about picking looks in a video game? Honestly trying to parse what this means.
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Bear Enthusiast posted:Wasn't this about picking looks in a video game? Honestly trying to parse what this means. You can simply quote the original posts instead of putting your spin of fanfic on it, which includes omitting the history of racism from the person who picked the “looks.” PhysicsFrenzy posted:The long and short of it is that the original Space Buns poster has been racist in the past, so the whole situation seems less like 'they were uninformed and doubled down' than 'they knew it would piss people off and posted it with that intent'. Here's a link to a twitter thread that goes into greater detail, will edit out if requested: https://twitter.com/purpieemperor/status/1332350381695913986?lang=en Any goons happen to take screenshots before they hid the thread so we can stop this feigning of ignorance? ruddiger has a new favorite as of 02:38 on Dec 26, 2020 |
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Dec 26, 2020 02:34
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From over here it sure looks like you've been saying it's never ok to put afro puffs on a white avatar or pick an avatar of a different race from yourself, independent of the "space buns" person who was very intentionally being racist. I don't think anyone is sticking up for that person.
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Dec 26, 2020 02:50
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From over here, with an open heartruddiger posted:Appropriation has always been the name of the game. This is nothing new.
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Fair enough, but doesn't that then make the twitter poster irrelevant? E: that is to say, if you're talking about the bigger picture, you can't insist other people also talking in a broader sense need to tie everything back to the racist lady and dismiss any comments without her as fanfiction. It's two different conversations. Fantastic Foreskin has a new favorite as of 03:23 on Dec 26, 2020 |
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I thought the problem is similar to someone who dresses up their character in a war bonnet, and then adamantly and continuously refuses to acknowledge it has anything to do with native americans and instead insists it's idk football fangear. How dare you get offended over her videogame characters football fangear, lol sjws won't let you wear anything. It's a really lovely attitude, especially when you have a history of being a racist so people are like "ugh this person is doing it again can they just stop this poo poo". It also has a bonus of making the people who are upset look crazy to outsiders
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I guess I don’t understand what the end goal is. What happens if the “space buns” idiot changes their video game avatar’s hair style to one that a while person typically has? And what happens if they don’t?
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Xun posted:I thought the problem is similar to someone who dresses up their character in a war bonnet, and then adamantly and continuously refuses to acknowledge it has anything to do with native americans and instead insists it's idk football fangear. How dare you get offended over her videogame characters football fangear, lol sjws won't let you wear anything. It's a really lovely attitude, especially when you have a history of being a racist so people are like "ugh this person is doing it again can they just stop this poo poo". It also has a bonus of making the people who are upset look crazy to outsiders It is literally 100 percent this.
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Puppy Galaxy posted:I guess I don’t understand what the end goal is. What happens if the “space buns” idiot changes their video game avatar’s hair style to one that a while person typically has? And what happens if they don’t? Either way they get to continue living in privileged ignorance, it’s just that one choice exposes that ignorance for everyone to see.
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The space buns animal crossing lady is 100% a malicious racist trying to stir poo poo. Meanwhile, playing someone different from yourself in a game is basically baby's first empathy and introduces or reinforces concepts such as "other people have more in common than not."
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What if my character is a deep forest green like a healthy pine?
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:What if my character is a deep forest green like a healthy pine? Just make sure your twitter feed never mentioned axes, lumber or cutting down trees in a positive manner 
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My favorite meltdowns are threads on the internet that go a lot like this sports metaphor. There are two people on the field who both picked up their teams goalposts and are feverishly running around the field duking and dodging, despite the fact that neither of them are actually trying to score a point. there are a handful of other player who somehow wandered onto the field. None of them seem to know what the rules of the game are and are just milling around, occasionally looking at the ball that is sitting in the middle of the field. Every once in a while these people ask "What game is this?" or "How can I play this game?" the two with goalposts just shout incoherently about completely different games. Eventually, sometimes, a merciful, or kind referee walks to the field and says "Hey you aren't supposed to be here, get off this field. The JV team has it booked in 15 minutes" and maybe security shows up to escort everyone off the field so the JV team can practice. That thread I am talking about is all of them, every single thread on every single message board on the entire internet.
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hazardousmouse posted:The space buns animal crossing lady is 100% a malicious racist trying to stir poo poo. Meanwhile, playing someone different from yourself in a game is basically baby's first empathy and introduces or reinforces concepts such as "other people have more in common than not." Except it's not? Making your Fallout 4 player character Black and your spouse Asian will teach you nothing about black culture, the Asian experience in America, or your kid's perspectives as a mixed-race individual. The devs didn't tailor the experience to represent the deeper differences between being Black and being white, they just allowed you to make the default white character Black. If you pay the Miles Morales Spiderman game, and the character designers/writers included Black, Latino and mixed voices with power to make judgment calls on authenticity, playing as him might actually broaden your perspective.
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Douche Wolf 89 posted:Except it's not? Making your Fallout 4 player character Black and your spouse Asian will teach you nothing about black culture, the Asian experience in America, or your kid's perspectives as a mixed-race individual. The devs didn't tailor the experience to represent the deeper differences between being Black and being white, they just allowed you to make the default white character Black. If you pay the Miles Morales Spiderman game, and the character designers/writers included Black, Latino and mixed voices with power to make judgment calls on authenticity, playing as him might actually broaden your perspective. It absolutely is? As the previous poster said it's just a baby step but it's still progress. No poo poo that it's not going to teach anyone about the deeper differences between ethnic experiences but let's just focus on getting people to see other ethnicities as human first.
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Having a character not of your race performing actions you default to your race (generic white dude shooting aliens except now he's black) is actually a decent way to start breaking down racism, especially in young people. It's not great or perfect but it's quite literally the first micro baby step you can take towards having fewer racists. You gotta remember that racists are stubborn by nature and will not engage in media they feel is too far from their little circle. If they think of war movies as being about white dudes but then someone makes and accessable war movie that also involves black and latino characters doing the same thing as White Johnny Action Hero, it can help reframe the racists way if thinking.
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^^^ Citation please? Because we've been playing to the fragility of white audiences via "baby steps" for literally hundreds of years in media but weirdly racists still exist. Maybe we just stop considering them when making games, and if they don't like it, they don't get to enjoy new games? Straight White Shark posted:It absolutely is? As the previous poster said it's just a baby step but it's still progress. No poo poo that it's not going to teach anyone about the deeper differences between ethnic experiences but let's just focus on getting people to see other ethnicities as human first. You are that guy that said he never realized the enormity of the Holocaust until he saw Rainbow Dash photoshopped into historical photos. Douche Wolf 89 has a new favorite as of 20:46 on Dec 29, 2020 |
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Well, I learned to appreciate more of the nuances of contemporary African-American culture by playing GTA:SA back when it came out.
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