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rdb
Jul 8, 2002
chicken mctesticles?

Twerk from Home posted:

Is there some magic that goes into the "max payload" sticker on the inside of the door jamb that is more than just GVWR - weight of that specific vehicle?

I'm comparing a Durango vs a half ton for towing a modest (4-5k GVWR) trailer, and the Durango does not seem to have anywhere near enough payload for its rated tow ratings. Based on engine, the Durango with its tow package is rated to tow 6200-8700 lbs, but also every single Durango has a door jamb sticker that says "1200 lbs max". That is absolutely going to be a problem with 10-15% tongue weight for trailers anywhere near its max payload rating, but also it's unintuitive that the payload would be identical for every single one, regardless of configuration. To make it worse, Dodge advertises different payload capacity, but if you actually look at the physical sticker on the truck, they're all 1200. Is the only way to figure out actual Durango payload taking it to a scale, and subtracting its measured weight from its GVWR?

For that matter, payload seems to be an issue on the half-ton trucks as well, because the bigger engines have lower payload capacities. For example, a base V6 4x2 Ram 1500 quad cab has 2300 lbs payload with no options, while the bigger engines that weigh more have the payload start falling quickly. That 2300 lbs payload sounds great for the V6s rated ~7k lbs towing capacity. By the time you're at the 4x4 5.7 V8, the maximum payload is down to about 1700 lbs, which feels like it's going to be a big problem if you're trying to pull the rated 11,500 lbs. What am I missing? What's going on here? Why do the "bigger towing" trucks have dramatically smaller payload capacity?

RAM payload chart, showing decreasing payload as tow rating increases: https://www.ramtrucks.com/BodyBuilder/service/Image?imageId=MtQrP%2FFqLY5r%2Fest8MtGjGgHzAHGUTU0WB3rWuqSY7YmQ2vEhuBWBONjPJTiLoD5%0A

To clarify just a little, payload is GVWR (gross vehicle weight rating) minus GVW (gross vehicle weight). With all the electronics, extra massaging seat motors, 4x4 components, larger engine blocks etc its normally the case that your better equipped trucks actually have lovely payload. We just had a discussion about this elsewhere.

With the Durango that sticker is probably generic and worse case since its intended to be a family hauler. Trucks generally get more specific. GM does some nice ones. CSB is right about modern 3/4 tons, they are the new commuter vehicles and its entirely possible to find a platinum F250 PSD with a 1900lb payload and a 17,000+ lb “tow rating”. I have heard manufacturers sandbagging GVWR a bit on light duty (everything up to 1 ton) trucks because most people care more about lower registration fees. So its possible the vehicle can haul more, for the purposes of camping you probably wont get checked (outside of a few western states and dedicated enforcement on the NYS thruway), but its not something I would bet my family, money, license or things on. People ignore it (rv dealers especially) all the time. Personally I own a 3500 single rear wheel for this reason. The current ram 3500 singles have a 4000ish payload with a cummins. Significantly more than a 2500 with a cummins. The sticker in mine accurately reflects the added weight of the 4wd and aisin.

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kensei
Dec 27, 2007

He has come home, where he belongs. The Ancient Mariner returns to lead his first team to glory, forever and ever. Amen!



I am 'working' from a KOA on the coast with excellent WiFi, drinking coffee looking out at the forest setting. I love this new remote model and will try like hell to never go back to an office ever again.

Hasselblad
Dec 13, 2017
NRA shill who thinks homeless people would love to live in migrant border camps. Help me realize I am a bigoted piece of shit.


IOwnCalculus posted:

Glad it exists, too, because prior to that GCWR was a loving crapshoot. My WJ Grand Cherokee was seemingly rated on what it could get moving, once, on level ground in subzero temperatures - because doing half that going up a grade in mild ambients was a great way to learn how fast the coolant temperature needle can climb.

What about midsize trucks? Colorado/Canyon (excluding ZR2 thanks to the soft suspension) will do 7000lb with the V6, 7700lb with the diesel - and the only real limit there is power versus drag at high speed, which the V6 probably handles better if you're willing to do single digit MPG in exchange for cruising at 70+.

Define: "Will do". My F150 is capable of pulling certain weights on level dry pavement, but on many of the hills here in Utah, it is another story entirely. We throttled way back on wet trailer rate when shopping.

Hasselblad fucked around with this message at 12:38 on Apr 23, 2021

Somewhat Heroic
Oct 11, 2007

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Took delivery of our Bean on Friday! We are in love.





It is so adorably tiny. We also will continue to poop in a bucket and I am okay with that.

cursedshitbox
May 20, 2012

Your rear-end wont survive my hammering.





Fun Shoe

Back in norcal for a vaccine....




Pulling into camp. 2wd/low
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xS3W36Gzg6I

rdb
Jul 8, 2002
chicken mctesticles?

I grew up way out in the sticks and rode the short bus to school (a squared ford econoline from 1990). That sound brings back some memories, lol.

Looks like fun.

Somewhat Heroic
Oct 11, 2007

(Insert Mad Max related text)




How many tear-droppers/fiberglass RVers are in here?


ilkhan
Oct 7, 2004

Life Before Death
Strength Before Weakness
Journey Before Destination


Does grand design have the same rep for their reflection TT as for the reflection 5th wheels?

Still debating if we want to start fairly inexpensive (Cherokee 321TS'ish) or go straight for a much more robust and comfy but more expensive trailer/5er.

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rdb
Jul 8, 2002
chicken mctesticles?

ilkhan posted:

Does grand design have the same rep for their reflection TT as for the reflection 5th wheels?

Still debating if we want to start fairly inexpensive (Cherokee 321TS'ish) or go straight for a much more robust and comfy but more expensive trailer/5er.

Yes and I would, more for durability, comfort and resale than anything else. GD has a better than average reputation for assembly quality and pre delivery inspection. I don’t think thats changed since being bought out by winnebago. They also market by sponsoring youtubers so who knows. I don’t think there is unbiased 3rd party data regarding rv quality so its mostly anecdotal. The rv roof repair guy seems to think they are all pretty bad, but thats still anecdote.

The best thing you can do is inspect the poo poo out of it before you leave the dealer or pay someone to do it for you if you’re unsure. Don’t count on the warranty for anything. The android jaycommand tablet that controls everything in mine died, its under warranty, but that means two months at the dealer before it gets “fixed”. Thats no bueno when your full time. Thankfully the app still works.

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