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pidan posted:Yeah, it's not a secret, ama. do you feel personal guilt for the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire?
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First Rome no, second Rome a bit, third Rome yes.
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meet me for 4th meal in 3rd Rome
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It is ok to refer to ancient egyptian kings as pharaohs because words change meaning over time and that’s what we call all of them now
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They're only pharaohs if they come from the pharaoh region of the Nile Delta, otherwise they're just sparkling monarchs
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Slavvy posted:They're only pharaohs if they come from the pharaoh region of the Nile Delta, otherwise they're just sparkling monarchs Not to get too PC on everyone but I think we're supposed to call them Kushite monarchs. 
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pidan posted:Thanks, that's interesting! Now I wonder why it's written as Pharaoh in the first place - from what I remember, for names that come directly from ancient Egyptian inscriptions, people just fill in vowels as they please, that's why Nofretete is sometimes also called Nefertiti. I was talking to a german friend of mine once and he mentioned a novel called “Donkey Shot” and when I said I had no idea what he was talking about he started semi-ranting about how piss poor the american education system is and how we have no clue about world literature etc etc. Once he started describing it though I realized he was talking about Don Quixote and germans just pronounce it like “donkey shot.” Now that I typed that out it i realize that doesn’t really have anything to do with your post really but whatever
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Donkey shot my windmill??
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Drunkboxer posted:I was talking to a german friend of mine once and he mentioned a novel called “Donkey Shot” and when I said I had no idea what he was talking about he started semi-ranting about how piss poor the american education system is and how we have no clue about world literature etc etc. Once he started describing it though I realized he was talking about Don Quixote and germans just pronounce it like “donkey shot.”
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A Buttery Pastry posted:They were right. If you were properly educated you would know that that is the proper pronunciation of the title, from the original Spanish used in the book. i had no idea old timey spanish sounded like hosed up french
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Drunkboxer posted:i had no idea old timey spanish sounded like hosed up french old timey Spanish and hosed up french are essentially the same language
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Jan 25, 2023 22:08
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h.. how else would you pronounce don quixote
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Jan 25, 2023 22:13
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Dawn Key Hoe Tee
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key-ho-tay or key-oh-tay is how I've always heard it
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pidan posted:h.. how else would you pronounce don quixote I usually pronounce it "Quixote"
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pidan posted:h.. how else would you pronounce don quixote Don key-ho-tay is how it would be said in modern Spanish, so Americans pronounce it that way. I've always wondered how the word quixotic came to be pronounced so differently, and now I know.
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pidan posted:Thanks, that's interesting! Now I wonder why it's written as Pharaoh in the first place - from what I remember, for names that come directly from ancient Egyptian inscriptions, people just fill in vowels as they please, that's why Nofretete is sometimes also called Nefertiti. well, that's not entirely true. we got it from the romans and spelt it pharon for hundreds of years, then we went classics-mad during the renaissance and decided to 'correct' the spelling by realigning it with the greek.
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kwix-oaty
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Riot Bimbo posted:kwix-oaty my favorite 50's instant breakfast
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Ghostlight posted:we don't get the word directly from ancient egyptian inscriptions though - we got it from the greeks who spelt it pharaō. Ah, that makes sense! Re: Quixote, from what I understand the X in Spanish is pronounced kind of like the ch in German "ich" or the X in Pinyin (e.g. the city Xi'an). That sound doesn't exist in English so people tend to hear it as sh like in sheet. E: "ich" and "xi" aren't exactly the same sound but pretty close
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when in doubt every letter in spanish is an h.
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pidan posted:
Wait are they really? I don't speak any German but I thought "ich" had a similar ch as like the greek "chi," maybe a little along the line to the Hebrew "ch" sound, nothing like the Chinese 'x' which is "ɕ" in IPA, or pretty close to the "sh" in "English." Crazy. Do the Rammstein guys sound incredibly weird to other Germans?
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pidan posted:Re: Quixote, from what I understand the X in Spanish is pronounced kind of like the ch in German "ich" or the X in Pinyin (e.g. the city Xi'an). That sound doesn't exist in English so people tend to hear it as sh like in sheet. The old Spanish X used to have some overlap with modern J and that's usually where some confusion comes from, because Spaniards used it for transliterating Nahuatl placenames and that's largely where it survives today - like Mexico being pronounced without an 'eks' in the middle, because it's actually an old Spanish X pretending to be a J - because in the 1800s the Royal Spanish Academy was like "hey guys, let's just use the J" and unilaterally changed the spelling because they printed the dictionaries but the New World told them to gently caress off back to Spain.
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I was taught "ich" was pronounced like "ish" in my high-school German, but years later learned that this is apparently a rare northern dialect and everyone thought I sounded like an idiot and it was more like "ick".
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Tulip posted:Wait are they really? I don't speak any German but I thought "ich" had a similar ch as like the greek "chi," maybe a little along the line to the Hebrew "ch" sound, nothing like the Chinese 'x' which is "ɕ" in IPA, or pretty close to the "sh" in "English." Crazy. Do the Rammstein guys sound incredibly weird to other Germans? The consonant in "ich" can be pronounced four different ways. Around Switzerland, some old folks pronounce the vowel differently, which is really weird. It's probably standard to teach English speakers "isch" because it's a lot easier to pronounce than "i[voiceless velar fricative]" 
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I was taught to pronounce it 'ich'. I was taught by a german though.
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Chamale posted:The consonant in "ich" can be pronounced four different ways. Around Switzerland, some old folks pronounce the vowel differently, which is really weird. It's probably standard to teach English speakers "isch" because it's a lot easier to pronounce than "i[voiceless velar fricative]" I was taught to pronounce it as ik, but instead of voicing the k you end up making a kind of static white noise by pressing the back of your tongue against your upper molars and blowing. Is that the same thing?
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what the gently caress lmao
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yeah, voiceless means you're not making the sound with your voicebox, velar means you make it with the back of your tongue against the soft palate, and fricative indicates that the sound is made by air trying to get its way out of your throat through this ungodly contraption you've built in your mouth. i think the closest we have in english is 'k', which is plosive rather than fricative in that you do the mouth stuff all the same but the purpose is instead to block the airway so that the sound is created by air 'bursting' through when you lower your tongue. scots speakers still retain a voiceless velar fricative sound at the end of "loch" and other similar words.
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According to Wikipedia the fricative in question exists in English at the start of the word "Tuesday" (if you remove the actual "t" sound). But that probably depends on your dialect.
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If you pronounce it like tyoos, then somewhere in the y there's a part where the middle of your tongue will be near the roof of your mouth and you blow air over it. That's the X sound of Spanish / Pinyin, or close enough.
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Real hurthling! posted:people say t'yousday? I've heard older English people say it that way. same way they say tube
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The liquid u is disgusting
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stewie-griffin-rear end yu's
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st'uee grifon is my khajit name
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Real hurthling! posted:people say t'yousday? That’s how I pronounce it as an Australian
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sent me a case of vb, m8
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