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A LOVELY LAD
Feb 8, 2006

Hey man, wanna hear a secret?



College Slice
Thankfully sailor roads (rivers) are still working as intended.

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HugeGrossBurrito
Mar 20, 2018
That eurotrash should invest in some clean coal

ilmucche
Mar 16, 2016

HugeGrossBurrito posted:

That eurotrash should invest in some clean coal

That's the germans

sweet thursday
Sep 16, 2012

Imagine a dildo that's powered by kinetic energy. Sure you'd have to do some work to rev it up but then you can sit back and relax as the motor kicks in and rides you to a smooth finish


Who would like to invest

DoctorStrangelove
Jun 7, 2012

IT WOULD NOT BE DIFFICULT MEIN FUHRER!

sweet thursday posted:

Imagine a dildo that's powered by kinetic energy.

So a dildo?

sweet thursday
Sep 16, 2012

Humanity would still be shoving pebbles up their asses and vaginas if everyone thought like you!

Voting Floater
May 19, 2019

sweet thursday posted:

Humanity would still be shoving pebbles up their asses and vaginas if everyone thought like you!

Dude, quit ragging on my rear end stone.

CharlestonJew
Jul 7, 2011

Illegal Hen
Hey sorry everyone there's a traffic jam on the 405 so you guys are gonna have to go without electricity for a few hours

QuarkJets
Sep 8, 2008

Internetjack posted:

I've worked in the solar industry for the past 12+ years. System design, sales, tech support. Also a background in EE.
I also live outside of the town where the first solar roadway company was started. They got a kickstarter and then a 2 million dollar federal grant.

It is the most goddamn stupid idea I've ever seen.

Here's a lesson for those that are new to solar. Solar panels have to be in the sun!

Dirt, leaves, oil, constant shadows from vehicles, will all dramatically decrease production.

Then you get into transmission lines. In a town with existing infrastructure, sure, not too hard to tap into the grid. But these people advocate "putting them out in the desert where there is more sun and fewer cars!" So, you going to build an entire electrical transmission grid to go with that?

Maybe a mechanical engineer goon can chime in, but I'm pretty sure building roads out of tiled pieces is not mechanically sound for long term stability for heavy and high speed traffic. Works great for chariots and wagons, but unstable to support modern traffic. They shake loose over time.

There is a demo display that was installed in the downtown park. The panel-tiles had to be replaced twice so far. The originals cracked and leaked water because they didn't fully seal them, and the current mess looks like pure garbage. Discolored panels (due to lovely manufacturing), gaps, looseness in the tiles, etc. And this is a walkway area, they aren't even in the street. It's embarrassing to even be asked your opinion on it.

Here's a thought, lets put panels on roofs, carports, pole mounts first, you know, where they will actually get sunlight on them.

Uh I think you just don't get solar roads, they're the roads of the future

Baxter
Sep 13, 2000
Seems like simply removing all trees would take care of the leaf problem.

Fortunately the tools and infrastructure already exist.

QuarkJets
Sep 8, 2008

Kuato posted:

It’s usually a million a mile for basic new road construction, if it was actually producing power the project probably wasn’t as disastrous as they’re making it out to be. Roads are expensive in general, and a financial sinkhole since there’s significant & continuous maintenance costs.

they cost 5x more up front and need to be replaced 10x as often, they're bad at being roads and bad at being solar panels

Internetjack
Sep 15, 2007

oh god how did this get here i am not good with computers
Top Cop
"I know, lets build a road out of glass! Special non-slip glass!" Said no non-idiot ever.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat
So many possible surfaces to place my solar panels, which one should I pick? I know! The one where it's going to be worn down by traffic, covered in mud and dirt, and constantly assaulted by other debris!

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

Colonel Cancer posted:

Don't solar panels have to track the sun in order to maximize energy generation?


Meh. I'm looking forward to nuclear roads or barring that a hydro road (no it's not a river)

Most panels don't track sun, but they are built to maximize exposure, either by the design of the standalone array, or because they are on the roof of a house, and houses are built with sun in mind. Unlike roads.

feller
Jul 5, 2006


Burt Sexual posted:

We should not trial anything renewable anymore.

this but ironically

GABA ghoul
Oct 29, 2011

steinrokkan posted:

So many possible surfaces to place my solar panels, which one should I pick? I know! The one where it's going to be worn down by traffic, covered in mud and dirt, and constantly assaulted by other debris!

Hovercars

Meme Poker Party
Sep 1, 2006

by Azathoth
Solaire Roads: Gloriously Incandescent

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
---------------------------->
build more nuclear power plants

Schweinhund
Oct 23, 2004

:derp:   :kayak:                                     
build a roof over the road and put the solar panels on the roof

BigBadSteve
Apr 29, 2009

Mnoba posted:

fossil fuels are cheap and effective, not much reason to research beyond them maybe fusion tech could be good

Duh, global warming.

ilmucche
Mar 16, 2016

Fojar38 posted:

build more nuclear power plants

France is also trying that with similar success.

Overnight Blaze
Mar 7, 2017

Looks like solar power has failed, time to give up on "renewable resources" and go back to being all in on coal

Colonel Cancer
Sep 26, 2015

Tune into the fireplace channel, you absolute buffoon
Imagine, a flywheel powered dildo

happyhippy
Feb 21, 2005

Playing games, watching movies, owning goons. 'sup
Pillbug
Thunderf00t on YT does a great break down while these solar roads were unworkable since the start.

BigBadSteve
Apr 29, 2009

Nice try re the solar road. The cells breaking would have been the first thing I'd have thought of though. I guess the company that manufacturing the 'hard' silicon on the cells marketed them with more thsn ample spin, which the French government fell for.

Silicon isn't a material I would have thought of as robust at all. e.g. silicon tape, quartz.

Maybe the idea will be improved enough to work well one day, but maybe not.

There's a whole lot of rooves that could have solar cells on them. I'd think the best research would be into making solar cells cheaper, and with longer lives ( I think I read they degenerate markedly over ten years of use).

The Aussie governnent for a few years had a generous rebate on home solar cell installation. Of course that won't happen in the U.S. in a hurry,especially under current leadership.

happyhippy
Feb 21, 2005

Playing games, watching movies, owning goons. 'sup
Pillbug

Colonel Cancer posted:

Imagine, a flywheel powered dildo

Also, my mom.
I think we invented perpetual motion dude.

Creamed Cormp
Jan 8, 2011

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
ah if only there was a simple answer to all our energy issues... Wouldn't it be great if we could harvest the power of the atom to safely grant us near unlimited energy at a cheap price? Alas it can't be, so we're gonna have to stick with obvious scams like solar roads or clean coal. Maybe next we could try like some small wind turbine that could be mounted on top of trees, for only 10k € each? Or maybe we could go with drones that fly around and extract the fart gas out of random citizens and animals? Or maybe just put a few million € in a big loving pile, light it on fire and use it for warmth or for cooking our food, hell that might be a more realistic and cheaper option.

Also not surprised to learn that Ségolène Royal, the french Hillary Clinton, was behind this poo poo.

Colonel Cancer
Sep 26, 2015

Tune into the fireplace channel, you absolute buffoon
Isn't thunderdoot an angry old white guy who hates women?

happyhippy
Feb 21, 2005

Playing games, watching movies, owning goons. 'sup
Pillbug

Colonel Cancer posted:

Isn't thunderdoot an angry old white guy who hates women?

Indeed, but is a crazy mad scientist as well.

BigBadSteve
Apr 29, 2009

Fojar38 posted:

build more nuclear power plants

When a failsafe system fails, it fails by failing to fail safe.

Rad-daddio
Apr 25, 2017

sweet thursday posted:

Humanity would still be shoving pebbles up their asses and vaginas if everyone thought like you!

Leave Lena Dunham out of this!

Kia Soul Enthusias
May 9, 2004

zoom-zoom
Toilet Rascal

The_Continental posted:

Solar roads appeal to the NIMBYs who don't want anything put anywhere.

"you can have your crazy hippie magic but it better not be visible to any of us"

Fortunately in Europe they don't have trouble getting wind turbines put up, so at least there's that.

I'm happy we're trying new things, but it should at least be thought through a bit.

happyhippy
Feb 21, 2005

Playing games, watching movies, owning goons. 'sup
Pillbug

Charles posted:

Fortunately in Europe they don't have trouble getting wind turbines put up, so at least there's that.

This. 10 years ago in my area, "No cant have those, they spoil the countryside eye line!"
Now its "More, can we put more up over here, how about this vertical cliff can we put one on the side of it?"

Shut up Meg
Jan 8, 2019

You're safe here.

Internetjack posted:

I've worked in the solar industry for the past 12+ years. System design, sales, tech support. Also a background in EE.

It is the most goddamn stupid idea I've ever seen.

Here's a thought, lets put panels on roofs, carports, pole mounts first, you know, where they will actually get sunlight on them.

I don't think anyone needs your skills and experience to agree that the idea of putting solar on the road was the absolutely worst place you could have put them. Literally anywhere would have been a better place. and I am including 'in a warehouse, still in the packing cartons' - cause I bet doing that would have been better for the environment/economy than installing them in the road.

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy

Colonel Cancer posted:

Isn't thunderdoot an angry old white guy who hates women?
Yes he is and also I just can't stand the way he talks anyway. The link I posted earlier is to Dave Jones' EEVblog which did the same thing on the solar roadways but much less insufferable. Here's the original one from 5 years ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obS6TUVSZds an a follow-up from a few weeks ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dM50P4K9UVk

Do it ironically
Jul 13, 2010

by Pragmatica
Isn’t it in the US where the power companies can sue you for the amount of energy you would have used if you put solar panels on your house?

Schweinhund
Oct 23, 2004

:derp:   :kayak:                                     
They should build all the roads downhill.

Fair_Winds
Feb 26, 2018

Internetjack posted:

I've worked in the solar industry for the past 12+ years. System design, sales, tech support. Also a background in EE.
I also live outside of the town where the first solar roadway company was started. They got a kickstarter and then a 2 million dollar federal grant.

It is the most goddamn stupid idea I've ever seen.

Here's a lesson for those that are new to solar. Solar panels have to be in the sun!

Dirt, leaves, oil, constant shadows from vehicles, will all dramatically decrease production.

Then you get into transmission lines. In a town with existing infrastructure, sure, not too hard to tap into the grid. But these people advocate "putting them out in the desert where there is more sun and fewer cars!" So, you going to build an entire electrical transmission grid to go with that?

Maybe a mechanical engineer goon can chime in, but I'm pretty sure building roads out of tiled pieces is not mechanically sound for long term stability for heavy and high speed traffic. Works great for chariots and wagons, but unstable to support modern traffic. They shake loose over time.

There is a demo display that was installed in the downtown park. The panel-tiles had to be replaced twice so far. The originals cracked and leaked water because they didn't fully seal them, and the current mess looks like pure garbage. Discolored panels (due to lovely manufacturing), gaps, looseness in the tiles, etc. And this is a walkway area, they aren't even in the street. It's embarrassing to even be asked your opinion on it.

Here's a thought, lets put panels on roofs, carports, pole mounts first, you know, where they will actually get sunlight on them.

I had a little hope for these being used for small municipal projects (Bike lanes, sports courts, public plaza's, etc.) Not as say a major energy generator, but as a small supplemental bit of power to the surrounding area. As for the Long Term Stability of a road that is made of many pieces, its less mechanical and more civil. I can think of two ways that may, I'll stress that may, lead to a good stability long term. Laying a foundation of concrete or physically bolting the cells together much like how the US Army's temporary bridge system does. The Foundation option would still cause the cells to jar loose and spread out if not secured to each other. The bolting together option would increase the footprint of the road and distribute the load evenly over the grounds, but without testing all this is just theory. Solar Roads will never be the be all end all to energy and roadway maintenance. It will never be a cheap, easy, modern solution for roads. On a large scale this is just too expensive to execute, to me at least. Maybe someone more dedicated with more free time can find a solution, that could lead to it being employed for heavier than pedestrian traffic.

As for the Park Demo, all those issues you've noted could be fixed with some competent manufacturing and a few design alterations. This tech may have some merit in the future, but I'm not gonna invest any money in it. A large part of a project's success is leadership and knowing what they are doing. After reading this It seems that this team is proven incompetent.

feller
Jul 5, 2006


Shut up Meg posted:

I don't think anyone needs your skills and experience to agree that the idea of putting solar on the road was the absolutely worst place you could have put them. Literally anywhere would have been a better place. and I am including 'in a warehouse, still in the packing cartons' - cause I bet doing that would have been better for the environment/economy than installing them in the road.

:actually: i need to see your resume before i can evaluate your post thanks in advance

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Mnoba
Jun 24, 2010

Rad-daddio posted:

Leave Lena Dunham out of this!

lmao

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