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Tenzarin posted:Why not put the solar panels like over the highway like a tunnel? Or put them directly in the places that would need to draw power in the day but not at night? workplaces, warehouses, restaurants and retail Obv it's not meant to be the lone energy source, but it seems we could lighten the daytime load on the energy grid in heavily populated areas. Still, nuclear is the way.
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Just looked it up, 39% of my states electricity comes from wind. Gonna be 50 by next year.
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Julius CSAR posted:But it won't matter how many you build because you still have to deal with the fact that solar generates the most when electricity is being used the least and also does not generate enough when demand is increased and also we don't have the technology to store any reasonable amount of the energy generated for on demand use. You know who LOVES solar power? Natural gas turbine producers and gas suppliers because all those solar fields are backstopped by natural gas (or worse). This is a good post, I've been trying and failing for years to properly illustrate this very issue to my cali dwelling family.
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Aug 20, 2019 02:11
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Do we really NEED to use power when the sun isn't out? Other than hospitals I guess.
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Aug 20, 2019 02:13
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reignofevil posted:Do we really NEED to use power when the sun isn't out? Other than hospitals I guess. Right like I said, that’s great for us in privileged 1st world societies, not so much a large portion of the rest of the world
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Aug 20, 2019 02:22
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Burt Sexual posted:Just looked it up, 39% of my states electricity comes from wind. Gonna be 50 by next year. Is that an installed capacity figure or like % of total electricity used was generated by wind? It's a good number, hopefully storage can catch up reignofevil posted:Do we really NEED to use power when the sun isn't out? Other than hospitals I guess. Non joking answer, a lot of factories/ forges will run at night because electricity demand is typically lower which allows for less swings in power usage between peak and off peak hours to reduce the amount of load following that needs to be done.
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Aug 20, 2019 02:22
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Burt Sexual posted:Just looked it up, 39% of my states electricity comes from wind. Gonna be 50 by next year. wind farms own, my state is up there as well
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Aug 20, 2019 02:26
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Julius CSAR posted:Right like I said, that’s great for us in privileged 1st world societies, not so much a large portion of the rest of the world No, that’s a white noise post. ilmucche posted:Is that an installed capacity figure or like % of total electricity used was generated by wind? It's a good number, hopefully storage can catch up It’s used, but we have nuke plants too. I believe the last coal closed last year.
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Aug 20, 2019 02:26
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We could just megahitler a lot of the world, thus reducing the world's energy demands and demands for consumer products. Most people live on the coasts, right, and the oceans are rising right? So we just stay the course until a few billion people die. As long as we don't try to take in all the displaced migrants we'll be fine. Build the wall, and let the chips fall where they may.
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Aug 20, 2019 02:28
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I hate that I have to keep hammering this home, but the marriage of renewables and some kind of non-emitting storage like pumped hydro, still pale in comparison to the simple, astounding energy density of fissile fuels. One single pound of HEU, a little bigger than a sugar cube, has the recoverable energy equivalent of 25,000 barrels of oil when utilized in a reprocessing cycle. The materials input, waste, and footprint of a combined renewables system is worse and comes with a higher fatality rate than nuclear. It is time to stop worrying and learn to love the atom.
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Julius CSAR posted:
This right here. More stories. Met a local mom at a BBQ, family was off-grid for decades. Her daughter just went off to college first semester living in the dorms and called in tears about 2 weeks in. She had turned off her roommate's stereo that had been left on in the morning before she left for class. Neither kid would be back til that afternoon so she just turned it off before she left, cause she grew up off-grid and that's what you do. Roommate tore into her that afternoon, Never Touch My Stuff type yelling. I've talked with customers that leave their TV on while at work. To scare away would-be burglars? Uh, no. I just like it on. I'll pull a number out of my rear end, but most households/nations/economies could save 5% of the total electrical consumption if individual people just shut off lights and stereos when not in use.
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Aug 20, 2019 02:34
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Mnoba posted:wind farms own, my state is up there as well My sons community college installed a big rear end one. Kinda I guess, we got bigger. 2.5megw It shaved 25% off the electric bill of the entire campus, and they have training programs for the poo poo. It’s kick rear end. One turbine. Relatively low mount.
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Internetjack posted:This right here. off grid people are stupid as gently caress, but you should deff turn your stereo and tv off
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Aug 20, 2019 02:38
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Julius CSAR posted:off grid people are stupid as gently caress, but you should deff turn your stereo and tv off My electric bill was $280 last month. gently caress me. I yell at clouds a lot about turning lights off to my daughter. It’s not just one light either, it’s the bath light for make up that has 10 bulbs at 60 watts
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Aug 20, 2019 02:42
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Julius CSAR posted:off grid people are stupid as gently caress, but you should deff turn your stereo and tv off lol, I'm legit curious as to your criteria there? There's the home-schooling, bible thumping off-grid stupid as gently caress stereotype, but there's also lot's of very nice off grid homes operated by intelligent people that would be the envy of any goon. I know a few of each category!
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Aug 20, 2019 02:44
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I always thought solar panels you drive over was dumb.
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Aug 20, 2019 03:06
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drilldo squirt posted:I always thought solar panels you drive over was dumb. I'm pretty sure everyone who put even mild thought into it came to the same conclusion otoh $5m is a drop in the bucket, and hopefully gets people off the idea
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Aug 20, 2019 03:36
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There has to be a way to make tires softer so they don't damage the road solar panels.
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Aug 20, 2019 03:44
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So France ain't invented the broom yet? Anyone who plays Civ knows that's the first thing you research.
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Schweinhund posted:There has to be a way to make tires softer so they don't damage the road solar panels. Make tires out of magnets, and then make roads out of other magnets, and then driving becomes your kinetic-mag dynamo charger thingie. For power.
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Aug 20, 2019 03:46
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Whatever happened to that awful Tesla home battery pack project? Literally just a giant battery that you run your appliances off of, a fire hazard middleman gizmo between the electrical grid and your stuff
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Aug 20, 2019 03:53
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Julius CSAR posted:But it won't matter how many you build because you still have to deal with the fact that solar generates the most when electricity is being used the least Very importantly, electricity consumption doesn’t really matter at all in the grans scheme of energy consumption. Electricity is roughly 12.5% of total energy consumption. Especially, heating/cooling and transport are much larger factors. EVs can move some transportation to electricity and heating can be done electrically as well, so it is possible to shift some of the much more important 87.5% other consumption to electrical if there’s an over-production of electricity at some point in time.
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Kazak posted:Whatever happened to that awful Tesla home battery pack project? Literally just a giant battery that you run your appliances off of, a fire hazard middleman gizmo between the electrical grid and your stuff I think it sank, so Musk accused an electrician of being a pedophile.
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Aug 20, 2019 04:11
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Burt Sexual posted:My electric bill was $280 last month. gently caress me. I had solar installed a couple of months back. My bill used to be about 320.00 right now. Now it's a 107.00/mo payment all year. Solar good.
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Aug 20, 2019 04:13
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Make tires out of sponges, so they're soft and they clean the debris off the solar panels.
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Rad-daddio posted:I had solar installed a couple of months back. My bill used to be about 320.00 right now. Now it's a 107.00/mo payment all year. And it cost?
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Aug 20, 2019 04:16
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What we really need is more sovcits but for electricity. "No, you see, electricity officer, I'm not consuming electricity, I am merely transforming one form of energy into another."
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Aug 20, 2019 04:19
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Honestly, my electricity bill would probably be a lot lower if I'd quit hooking this antique TENS Unit up to my balls as soon as I was alone every night.
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Aug 20, 2019 04:55
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Kazak posted:Whatever happened to that awful Tesla home battery pack project? Literally just a giant battery that you run your appliances off of, a fire hazard middleman gizmo between the electrical grid and your stuff They used the money to finance Model 3 production. Without the model 3 Tesla would be dead. Musk's words, more or less. Hopefully they'll actually do delivery, it's an OK idea when paired with a solar panel. If they use the fireproofing stuff they used on the model 3 battery pack you don't have to worry about fires.
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Did any wayward souls convert to the power of the nucleus yet? That's what I want to know. Imagine how misguided you'd have to be to reject the only option developed civilization has?
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Burt Sexual posted:And it cost? I just had to sell off one of my kids. Pretty fair imho.
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Solar works a lot better when you raise it off the ground, angle it to get better light exposure and minimize debris buildup, and don't run it over with thousands of cars every day.
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Don't worry about nuclear or solar, fusion is just 50 years away.
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You guys want to buy my cold fusion kit? $199.99 and I'll throw in the cantaloupe for free.
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Julius CSAR posted:But it won't matter how many you build because you still have to deal with the fact that solar generates the most when electricity is being used the least and also does not generate enough when demand is increased and also we don't have the technology to store any reasonable amount of the energy generated for on demand use. You know who LOVES solar power? Natural gas turbine producers and gas suppliers because all those solar fields are backstopped by natural gas (or worse). Nah. Nobody thinks that a family installing two 11W CFLs in their hovel and running them for 4h a day is a problem or wrong. The real problem are fat Americans running their 6000W air conditioner in their McMansion for 12h a day. Also, the scare mongering about renewables and storage requirements is stupid. With good enough grid infrastructure you don't need large scale storage waaaaay past the point most countries will ever go. Renewables are now the cheapest form of electricity generation in most situstions and cool and good.
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Opferwurst posted:Nah. Nobody thinks that a family installing two 11W CFLs in their hovel and running them for 4h a day is a problem or wrong. The real problem are fat Americans running their 6000W air conditioner in their McMansion for 12h a day. In Australia, a country with coal shooting out of the ground if you even so much as stick a shovel in it, banks are no longer loaning money for coal based start up because of the expense vs alternatives. But in NO WAY is it the future guys.
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Opferwurst posted:Also, the scare mongering about renewables and storage requirements is stupid. With good enough grid infrastructure you don't need large scale storage waaaaay past the point most countries will ever go. Renewables are now the cheapest form of electricity generation in most situstions and cool and good. It's not scare mongering to point out that, no, in fact the storage requirements for baseload are enormous and costly and large scale renewable installations are a godsend for nat-gas. They might be cheap to install, but they don't meet the needs of industrial civilization in its current form. Nothing short of a massive culling of energy demand make them work at scale.
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Opferwurst posted:Nah. Nobody thinks that a family installing two 11W CFLs in their hovel and running them for 4h a day is a problem or wrong. The real problem are fat Americans running their 6000W air conditioner in their McMansion for 12h a day. Good job missing the point
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Solar Roadways sent their PR person to give a talk at the university I was a researcher at and they were woefully unprepared to present any of this to a bunch of material scientists. At one point the talk organizer had to butt in because it was just person after person telling her ten ways how stupid of an idea it was.
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Irradiation posted:Solar Roadways sent their PR person to give a talk at the university I was a researcher at and they were woefully unprepared to present any of this to a bunch of material scientists. At one point the talk organizer had to butt in because it was just person after person telling her ten ways how stupid of an idea it was. Tell me someone recorded it.
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