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Cojawfee posted:It's been so long since I watched the earlier seasons, was Kelvin always so openly portrayed as being gay? It's been a while since I've seen the earlier seasons, but it always seemed more ambiguous as to whether he was gay or not until he finally officially started a relationship with Keefe. Him lusting after hot hunks in the teen magazines seemed kind of out of place to me. I had the same thought, but I guess it isn't that incongruous. Like the ambiguous part certainly wasn't in any of his behavior (his fixation with oiled up musclemen, his weird Friendship/living situation with Keefe, his celibacy, his fashion sense and general demeanor), it was in how he seemed to remain conspicuously asexual in spite of being so clearly gay. Having paparazzi portraits of hot guys up and reading gossip mags isn't really any more open than the other stuff we saw from him while in the closet as an adult, and it's obvious nobody in the family was even remotely surprised when he finally kissed Keefe. The magazine thing is just the earliest we've seen behavior like that from him, which makes it stand out I guess since we're comparing it to our previous earliest understanding of him (flamingly gay but somehow apparently not). I think the only one who didn't know/fully accept that Kelvin was gay was Kelvin, and it makes sense that as a kid he wouldn't be so self-conscious about tamping down on obvious things like the magazines or masking them as something else (like getting into body-building as a ministry as an excuse to hang out with muscle men) as he would be as an adult trying to bury his identity Mandrel fucked around with this message at 00:35 on Apr 15, 2025 |
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Lmao I love how Eli lets Jesse take a sip of the piss bourbon before telling him
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moist turtleneck posted:Lmao I love how Eli lets Jesse take a sip of the piss bourbon before telling him Loved it. I liked that little scene after where Eli gives Jesse the idea of naming his son Gideon. A rare instance of Jesse actually understanding something. Eli didn't have to be a jerk either. It was a nice moment for both characters.
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I had a pet theory that Kelvin was meant to come out as openly gay in season 2, mostly based on vibes and the lyrics to "Gonna Rock My Boy's Body" closing credits song for ep 4. Ep4 had a bunch of stuff exploring Kelvin's relationship to keif if I remember right - It seemed like an unused seduction scene soundtrack but was too awesome to discard wholesale. I just looked into it again and I was close but no cigar - the song was written by the shows composer Joseph Stevens with lyrics by Edi Patterson! So maybe it was for a Judy sex scene? Anyway, the song is a banger https://youtu.be/rQkXoNMjmSo?si=uGjvCQkvF1Mu3ZoG
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jazzyjay posted:So maybe it was for a Judy sex scene? That's something I don't want to see. however if it were presented to me on the screen I could not help but watch it.
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Mandrel posted:The entire structure of the show makes no sense if Aimee Leigh is actually terrible. Like, I'm baffled that years and multiple seasons later there's still people referencing that vague "some people said she wasn't so nice" by the sleazy reporter in S2 as some kind of hint there's a dark secret behind Aimee Leigh, instead of the much more obvious explanation that it was just a baiting comment made by a sleazy reporter to try and get Eli on his back foot, and if it was anything it was probably referencing normal poo poo you can infer without needing any further detail (which is why there's never any "My god, what could he be talking about" reflection on anyone's part in response to it). I think it's just part of the broader mindset of some people that always look for the worst in everything and everyone, and if it's not there they exaggerate and embelish. ChesterJT fucked around with this message at 03:28 on Apr 15, 2025 |
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That kid is so unreal good at being Danny McBride
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Jose Oquendo posted:Loved it. I saw somebody say (maybe in this thread, idk) that it's cool how Eli's suggestion in that conversation was so meaningful to Jesse, being that it's the first (and maybe the only?) time we see where Jesse must've felt like Eli was talking to him like a man and an equal.
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Mandrel posted:I saw somebody say (maybe in this thread, idk) that it's cool how Eli's suggestion in that conversation was so meaningful to Jesse, being that it's the first (and maybe the only?) time we see where Jesse must've felt like Eli was talking to him like a man and an equal. Yeah absolutely. It served as a nice contrast to how Eli was not able to reach Cobb. I know it gets said constantly in the thread, but the writers on this show really are that loving good.
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i have a stupid theory that they think the person doing the killings is her ex husband but it turns out that Eli fed him to the gators or used him as roller coaster foundation and it turns out to be stiffler doing it all and feeding boyfriends to the gators but I guess the SINNER brick would make more sense as Rooker becoming way too religious thanks to the gold bible also it's funny that it's all gemstone names in the bible except for the first one, seems it would make sense to rip that page out lol moist turtleneck fucked around with this message at 03:12 on Apr 15, 2025 |
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moist turtleneck posted:i have a stupid theory that they think the person doing the killings is her ex husband but it turns out that Eli fed him to the gators or used him as roller coaster foundation and it turns out to be stiffler doing it all and feeding boyfriends to the gators Doubtful, going by the preview for this week’s episode.
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ok one thing did just occur to me. that is a loving insane haircut for miss lori to have in 2002
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all the clothes for the adults seem Off for 2002 but that might be playing into the whole parents being behind the times kind of thing the kids clothes were all spot on tho
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Mandrel posted:That kid is so unreal good at being Danny McBride
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He’s able to say “daddeh” in the exact same way that McBride does, and it kills me every time
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2002 is weird, I guess all the characters are like 10 years younger than their actors?
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Mandrel posted:ok one thing did just occur to me. that is a loving insane haircut for miss lori to have in 2002 All of the details together, I'm thinking (especially after their super awkward and mostly one-sided friendship talk on the steps, not to mention the impromptu dinner-side performance) that maybe Lori might have been just a tad bit... butch... for Aimee-Leigh. Grabbing Eli in their golden years is both genuine and a bit of a victory lap. TIP posted:2002 is weird, I guess all the characters are like 10 years younger than their actors? Especially because we've seen Sean William Scott in 2002. He looks... like Sean William Scott.
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TIP posted:2002 is weird, I guess all the characters are like 10 years younger than their actors? The show takes place now. I’m not sure on the exact ages of the characters. IIRC Jesse was in college when he met Amber, so let’s say he’s approximately 19-20 years old in the S3 flashback episode. That would put him in his mid 40’s in S4. In the S3 flashback, Judy is in high school so she’s anywhere from 2-6 years younger. Kelvin was born in 1989, so he’d have been 13 in the S4 flashback.
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They always kinda fudge the ages/years in the flashbacks, they don’t really make sense or add up but I think it’s because they realized they wanted to stick with the kids who played the young Gemstones after season 1 when they realized how amazing they were at emulating their older counterparts. It doesn’t really bother me, it’s a TV show, I should really just relax, etc
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I'm basing at least some of this on a wiki but: Eli was born in 1952, same as John Goodman Jesse was born in 1981, making him five years younger than Danny McBride Judy was born in 1984, which based Edi Patterson graduating from college in 1997 makes her... eight years older than the character? Kelvin was born in 1989, so he's six years younger than Adam Devine. (Aimee-Leigh was born in 1955, 19 years before Jennifer Nettles but she's obviously only appeared in flashbacks) So in the 2002 episode if we follow those ages, Jesse was 21, Judy was 18, and Kelvin was 13, none of which really makes sense for the actors. In last season's flashback to 2000 they would have been 19, 16, and 11. In the second season flashback to 1993, they would have been 10, 7, and 2. Also considering Macauley Culkin was born in 1980, Harmon would have been 13 when Baby Billy abandoned him which also doesn't make a lot of sense. None of this matters, I certainly don't mind, and I think a big part of this is that the four seasons of the show were shot between 2018 and 2024 (a span of six years) and the flashbacks span 13.
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Kwolok posted:Hey man you're welcome to watch and take away the show however you want. But for me it went from ", look at these awful people running this awful grift" to "don't you want to see these people come together and learn to be better people and love one another more? Let's just not talk about the grift anymore. Gideon wanting to learn to preach prosperity gospel is somehow cool and a wholesome moment we should all feel good about!" i'm about 1/3 through S3 and i agree with this take largely, though not enough for it to ruin the show for me
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moist turtleneck posted:all the clothes for the adults seem Off for 2002 but that might be playing into the whole parents being behind the times kind of thing
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season 1 ended with them making amends with Johnny Seasons and hiring him, coming together to pray Baby Billy back to life in a genuine miracle exhibiting their growth as people juxtaposed against their immature performative reaction to Aimee Leigh's death. the episode closed with a moving and wholly serious sermon about forgiveness overlaying Jesse being humbled and silently putting his ego aside to do mission work with Gideon the show has always wanted you to root for them, and to root for them to become better people/Christians and for their better nature to win out in spite of everything, its the whole point. Danny McBride: "You start realizing that a lot of the characters in the Bible ARE scoundrels; They're imperfect tools. But that's part of the message, that anyone can sort of find their way."
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Edge & Christian posted:I'm basing at least some of this on a wiki but: The guy that plays young Jesse was born in 2004, so he was 19/20 when they filmed this so that at least would be somewhat accurate.
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Mandrel posted:season 1 ended with them making amends with Johnny Seasons and hiring him, coming together to pray Baby Billy back to life in a genuine miracle exhibiting their growth as people juxtaposed against their immature performative reaction to Aimee Leigh's death. the episode closed with a moving and wholly serious sermon about forgiveness overlaying Jesse being humbled and silently putting his ego aside to do mission work with Gideon This is McBride's whole thing. You can see it from Foot Fist Way all the way through Gemstones.
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Full disclosure, I used to not be able to stand Danny McBride. That whole brash, in-your-face, gently caress you humour just rubbed me the wrong way. I didn't ever feel like watching Pineapple Express because of it, and I didn't enjoy his stuff in This Is The End. Then The Righteous Gemstones premiered and I gave it a chance and loved it, so I went back and watched Vice Principles, loved that, too, and while I still haven't gone through Eastbound and Down, I plan to, probably once this show is done. I guess I just got converted to loving that kind of humour, because he obviously hasn't changed his style drastically. I don't know. But I'm glad I came around. Now I can do laughs.
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Eastbound and down is magical.
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:Now I can do laughs. Oh we’re doing laughs now?
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:Full disclosure, I used to not be able to stand Danny McBride. That whole brash, in-your-face, gently caress you humour just rubbed me the wrong way. I didn't ever feel like watching Pineapple Express because of it, and I didn't enjoy his stuff in This Is The End. He didn’t write any of those movies you mentioned. The stuff he’s done for HBO is all him and his people. They’re not even remotely similar those movies.
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glassyalabolas posted:Eastbound and down is magical. It's almost god tier funny - just so ridiculous but it all works. Vice Principals never clicked for me - I may try again though once this is all wrapped up.
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Vice Principals is a lot more mean spirited than the other shows.
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Few shows can get away with their protagonists doing a hate crime in the third episode. Feel like there's an underlaying karma that makes McBride's shows work even when they're about assholes. Vice Principals sees one character go through tremendous growth, and the other who doesn't outside of learning the power of friendship. One is redeemed and rewarded while the other iirc loses his hand and rides off into the sunset working at the local mall.
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Edge & Christian posted:I'm basing at least some of this on a wiki but: go outside nerd
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I'm a big fan of all of McBride's laugh em ups
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Robobot posted:Vice Principals is a lot more mean spirited than the other shows. I would still put EB&D first among his shows, with Gemstones 2nd and VP 3rd. But they’re all great
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glassyalabolas posted:Eastbound and down is magical. My introduction to McBride was randomly watching an episode, I think it was somewhere in season 2, I hadn't paid much attention to the show because it looked like some dumb baseball thing, but after I was like "what the gently caress did I just watch?" and I was hooked.
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