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JcDent
May 13, 2013

Give me a rifle, one round, and point me at Berlin!

Arquinsiel posted:

Wow. I think I've managed not to post in two threads now. This "being a grownup" thing really eats into your time.

I skipped 9850 posts to get on this thread. :(

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JcDent
May 13, 2013

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bewbies posted:

the ship needs to be very modular,

Oh God, not again, not again :gonk:

JcDent
May 13, 2013

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zonohedron posted:

So the discussion of elephants reminded me: on Twitter I saw that apparently the King of Siam offered to give(? lend? sell?) President Lincoln war elephants for use in the Civil War. Assuming they'd survived the trip and the Americans weren't assigning them a gallon of wine as their rations... what would elephants have... done? How do you use an elephant at Gettysburg (or... or any of the other major battles that I don't know because I grew up in a state that wasn't a state yet during said kinetic military action)?

Do this, but with an elephant



Put enough Gatling guns in the howdah and suppress the horizon.

JcDent
May 13, 2013

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MrYenko posted:

It’s worth noting that the Sherman specifically had a multitude of power plants, including a gas V-8, several different gasoline radial engines, a gasoline 30 (!!!) cylinder engine comprised of five inline sixes, twin inline diesels, and a diesel radial engine.

"All hail Chrysler multibank, the kind of things that shouldn't work but do"
- some goon

JcDent
May 13, 2013

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How do you gently caress up that hard? Why didn't they blast that place arty after the first wave died?

JcDent
May 13, 2013

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Alkydere posted:

The Germans probably screamed in horror the first time they popped the hood on one.

Knowing Nazis, some engineer probably sneered at it as "some simplistic untermench design" and proposed a heavy tank with 7 inline radials

JcDent
May 13, 2013

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Did ze Germans give tankers helmets?

JcDent
May 13, 2013

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Eagerly waiting for the thread conclusion on tankhelmetgate.

JcDent
May 13, 2013

Give me a rifle, one round, and point me at Berlin!
How about the whole thing of UK Shermans being overloaded with ammo or having ammo in hull instead of racks that's usually attributed for being the partial reason of Ronson myth?

JcDent
May 13, 2013

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FAUXTON posted:

Proper ammo storage and handling are anathema to the soul of the British military

I thought that was "a working engine"

JcDent
May 13, 2013

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SlothfulCobra posted:

Wouldn't not wearing any kind of hat get in the way even less?

Did Warsaw Pact introduce a real tanker helmet at any point? I think they only have that black padded thing, which makes sense: head protected from shunts and bumps, there's a frame for comms equipment, yet it's not bulky or heavy.

JcDent
May 13, 2013

Give me a rifle, one round, and point me at Berlin!

OK, how long before the Federales recover the Spear of Longuinus from the body of sicario?

JcDent
May 13, 2013

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Gonna toot me own horn a bit here:

https://twitter.com/Lord_Denton/status/1166942350708547584

JcDent
May 13, 2013

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By the way, do we have WWII stories of liberated locals helping out the Allies or whatever? Like, a US unit liberates Pomme-dy-Terre and some old shepherd comes "oui oui, amis Americaines, ze Boche, zey have a posission in ze hill, but me, I know some path secraite, follow moi" or something.


Trin Tragula posted:

Time to repost the canonical Wolfgang story, from ARRSE. Includes mild punctuation/typo-fixing. (I like to imagine the three main British characters as George, Baldrick, and Blackadder.)

Marvellous.

I'm so loving glad to find out that he's real and not just some copypasta.

FrangibleCover posted:


The French Puma Orchidée (Orchid) Battlefield Observation helicopter comes from the acronym "Observatoire Radar Cohérent Héliporté d’Investigation"

Nope, me neither.

Everyone just focused on the CEASAR part and nobody saw the inherent humour in the French naming their future Euro artillery piece just "truck with a gun."

Like, compare it to Eurofighter Typhoon, for example.

JcDent
May 13, 2013

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Arquinsiel posted:

A lot of people really hated it for some reason. I thought it was great :shrug:

A lot of people don't know poo poo! :argh:

I was yesterday years old when I learned of this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Leros

Notable because you usually thing the Germans stopped dropping paras after Crete, yet here they are, dropping on some Greek rock again, dying victoriously.

The whole read is wild, you have
1. Dumb British officers
2. Inter-Allied disagreements
3. lol what's air cover
4. Paratrooper disaster
5. CAS going beast on parked ships
6. Subs delivering supplies and men
7. Executions!

JcDent
May 13, 2013

Give me a rifle, one round, and point me at Berlin!
Googling Corregidor brought me to this

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raid_at_Cabanatuan

Look at those Japanese casualties, you'd think the raid was conducted using Holy Hand Grenades

E: the wiki article on Battle of Corregidor is written in a strangely conversational tone and puts some strange emphasis on "knee mortars" contributing to the victory over the 4th Marine Regiment.

JcDent
May 13, 2013

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Sitting wars out is not very and extremely not Mussolini.

I wonder if Franco would have pitched in if not for the whole "recent civil war" thing.

BalloonFish posted:

'gazetted'.

Fascinating read, thanks!

JcDent
May 13, 2013

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Turns out, they were right :v:

JcDent
May 13, 2013

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Sure, having a bad tank does not decide whether you win or lose, but its one of those nickle-and-dime force multipliers outta Paradox game that add up eventually.

Like, your lovely tanks are supported by infantry with lovely MGs...

JcDent
May 13, 2013

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FrangibleCover posted:

What were the Italians going to use proper tanks for?


Italian-French Border


Italian-Swiss Border


Italian-Austrian-Yugoslav Border triple point

Good thing they didn't have tanks to impede them in their conquest of Greece :v:

JcDent
May 13, 2013

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zoux posted:

Imagine military procurement in Hell.

Yes, I read the Canadian procurement posts in Cold War thread.

JcDent
May 13, 2013

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Edgar Allen Ho posted:

https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3898006&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=1

I don't go to GBS but this goon propaganda thread is a pro-click for anyone who enjoys both milhist and The Something Awful Forms



A loving :five: thread right there

JcDent
May 13, 2013

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Epicurius posted:

Let's have better hopes than that. There is an election next year, remember.

I'm hoping entropy does him and Biden 30383 in.

JcDent
May 13, 2013

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HEY GUNS posted:

i think i mentioned just how violent early modern/medieval college students were
https://twitter.com/DeathMedieval/status/1172542294739701765

extremely

Seriously, what's with all the clerk violence?

JcDent
May 13, 2013

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Vincent Van Goatse posted:

The British turrets had their sighting hoods (the bit with rangefinding and observation gear) located in a cabin-like deal built into the roof of the turret, which meant superfiring turrets couldn't fire dead ahead or dead astern. Instead of redesigning their turrets like sane people they just didn't bother with superfiring turrets in their first few dreadnoughts.

Hold on, why did the sighting hoods prevent firing dead ahead or astern?

SlothfulCobra posted:

Was there anything wrong about ball turrets? Aside from escapability and being extra weight and drag when speed mattered. Obviously they're irrelevant now in the era of aircraft using long-range missiles for everything, but was there any other reason against their use?

Allegiance or Rebel Galaxy?

JcDent
May 13, 2013

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FrangibleCover posted:

Because the muzzles of the superfiring turret, when pointed forwards, sit directly above the sighting hood of the deck level turret. If you fired you'd kill the entire sighting crew with overpressure.



The sighting hoods are those things under the 12-pounders. I guess they're not airtight, then?

Also, yes, Dreadnought had 12-pounders mounted on top of the gun turrets for torpedo boat defense.

JcDent
May 13, 2013

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Epicurius posted:

In this case, though, it was mostly students. Medieval Death Bot draws from the Oxfordshire Coroner Rolls, so there's a larger than normal amount of students, and when you combine drunkenness with immunity to criminal prosecution, murder ensues

To be fair, it's an easier explanation that explaining why scribes and librarians ambush people to kill or go on a shooting spree (with a bow).

JcDent
May 13, 2013

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The Soviet/Russian organization (having a ministry for artillery, and directorates for tanks and infantry) is wild. Anyone ever do q comparison between doing that way and the way rest of the world is handling it?

So who was making and operating Katyushas?

JcDent
May 13, 2013

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Hot drat hard sci-fi looks boring as poo poo. Like modern ship battles, but your AShM is an "autonomous projectile" that can move at almost light speed and any ship that gets hit is even more hosed. CIWS isn't even invited anymore and steely eyed Superbug pilots are replaced by drones that have almost as much personality as the space missiles they have.

It was terrible when they applied this to infantry in the one culture novel I read: your suit and gun fight for you, you're just in there for the ride.

JcDent
May 13, 2013

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https://twitter.com/EmbassyofRussia/status/1173876109034819585

JcDent
May 13, 2013

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Children join pre-dreads in the "involuntary mine-clearing" category.

JcDent
May 13, 2013

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That's just US Army trying to remind people of the time they were the good guys and/or won a war!

Randarkman posted:

(Eastern bloc countries came into posession of alot of captured German materiel following WWII and though much of it remained in use among police and reserve forces into the 60s it was eventually all taken out of use, and much ended up being dumped off on various Third World countries, this is a big part of the reason why you occasionally spot German WW2 equipment in Middle Eastern conflict, it's not just from the war itself but because of this post-war aid of sorts given by Eastern Bloc countries).

I have a related post to make! This weekend, I downloaded the Call of Duty: Modern Warfare (as opposed to Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare) open MP beta. Among the guns (the game is supposed to be set present date-ish) you could find an MG34 and Kar98k. I went to Twitter to bitch about the former, as the latter is at least a bit understandable. Then I did some googling and found out that there were more MG34s produced than MG42s and that some invariable ended up in Syria (a part I don't remember from reading the WWII Weapons In Modern Wars blog post about Syrian shipments). So I guess this implies that the SP will be taking place, at least for a bit, in not!Syria.

Anyways, the Wiki article for MG34 seemed to boost the MG a lot, which eventually lead to wonder what lead to MG34 being such a right step towards the true LMG direction? Why didn't the Americans develop one and why did the Brits make the Bren gun be fed from what, 25 round mags (instead of drum or belt). How come the Soviets nearly got it right with the DP?

Come to think of it, what was it with top feeding LMGs?

JcDent
May 13, 2013

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MikeCrotch posted:

WWI Royal Navy uniforms are pimp as hell and you will not convince me otherwise





Urge... to wargame... rising...

JcDent
May 13, 2013

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spiky butthole posted:

If you watch gun jesuses video on this particular weapon and on others like the Czech bZ? The bren was based on lmgs were used in teams, the tip loading style made it easy for the assistant gunner to swap mags, service the gun and change barrels much more simply. Just because it looks goofy, and you are playing awful videogames which are divorced from how a weapon system was designed doesn't mean it's a bad weapon.

There is no Bren in CoD MW.

Fangz posted:

Belts have a number of issues. Early on you have the issue of textile ammo belts swelling up if wet and gripping the rounds too tightly, causing the gun to fail to feed. Belts can also pick up dirt and carry it into the gun, causing jamming, or become damaged with mishandling. With the Bren also the idea is that ammo is shared over the squad, and so it's easier for each squad member to carry a mag or two than a box with a belt. If you have multiple guns covering each other, the need to swap a magazine is not so big an issue. The Brits also wanted to do walking fire, and magazines are a lot less cumbersome for that.

Top magazines also have a number of advantages. It means your feed is assisted by gravity, which makes things more reliable. Physically you have more room for a larger magazine if you are going to use the gun from a prone position.

Edit: Also if something goes wrong with a magazine you can just switch to a new one, with a belt it's a much more laborious process.

So what made the top-loaders disappear? Did ammo drums/boxes and belts become more reliable? Doesn't seem like anyone is too worried about prone issues these days.

Why did the Soviets go with a disc mag instead of top down like Bren (and its ancestors)?

MrYenko posted:

The M1919A6 started fielding in 1943, but it was a heavy bitch compared to the MG34 and MG42.

I had the impression they weren't handed to each and every squad, no?

JcDent
May 13, 2013

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LatwPIAT posted:

Also, the Americans did develop one. The M1919A6 was a lightened version of the M1919A4 medium machine gun that added a shoulder stock and a bipod in place of the typical tripod.

Interesting! How widely were they deployed? Did they finally get to some sort of 1/squad ratio?


Fangz posted:

shows a British section had 500 rounds per Bren while the Soviets had only 188 per DP-27.

They had 6 DP's per platoon, at least going by this:


I hope the site is good because I'm bookmarking it!

JcDent
May 13, 2013

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Nenonen posted:

Bren is a typical capitalist invention, with the lowest in the hierarchy being shot first. Degtyarev represents ideal communism in how everyone starts on the same level and it is up to them how far they will go. In Kalashnikov the highest ranks are shot first and thus it stands for revolutionary socialism.

:ussr:

JcDent
May 13, 2013

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FrangibleCover posted:

The exact weapons I'm talking about are the L85A2 Rifle with L123A2 underbarrel grenade-launcher, the L110A2 Minimi Para (same as M249), the L7A1 MAG (same as M240) and the L86A2 LSW in the Marksman role.

Curioualy enough, the nice TOE website linked earlier states that the newest Brit configuration ditches the SAW, so the squad has to tote around a GPMG.

They also have access to disposable recoiless rifle(!) And disposable ATGMs(!!).

JcDent
May 13, 2013

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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:

For indirect fire you can crank them out to almost a kilometer.

Apparently that's done by deactivating some part of the fuse that makes the round explode after travelling a certain distance, leaving only the impact fuse, yes?

JcDent
May 13, 2013

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FrangibleCover posted:

Yes, this is the fourth time that the L7A1 has displaced a lighter, handier machine gun in the squad since the end of WW2. Expect to see the Minimi back in the next fifteen years and the MAG back again in the next thirty.

What's their reasoning for doing it?

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JcDent
May 13, 2013

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glynnenstein posted:

There's the round actually designed for anti-personnel use that bounces and then airbursts. I think that has about a 1000m range.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_4ljD5WmKk

Yes, but we're talking about the type of people who can't be choosers.

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