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Now that we found out that loving Matt Groening of all people, simpsons creator, was a sex pest that partied with Epstein and got massages from teenage sex slaves, is there anyone out there that only consumes media by non-assholes? If you like the Beatles you are garbage because Lennon was a wife beater. If you like David Bowie you are bad because he was banging teens ten at a time. Like Kevin Spacey movies? gently caress you. etc etc So the question remains. Is it possible to try and be moral and only support non terrible creators?
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it doesn't actually matter what cartoons or music you like, its not important in the grand scheme of things
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Aug 23, 2019 11:16
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worrying about whether what you enjoy doing is ethical is a recipe for being miserable op. i am not saying you should totally disregard what effects your life has on other people and just go out there and murder and steal and kick puppies to death on a whim, but i am saying you should stop worrying about whether you are supporting child molestation by laughing at a joke on the simpsons. you have to draw a line somewhere and it is easy to end up being persuaded that you are drawing it in the wrong place (being too lax) due to the exposure we all get to people who make a particular issue their pet crusade. it's ok to be a "normie" in some areas of your life and not think so hard about everything well, good luck with it
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Aug 23, 2019 11:22
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I watched glengarry Glen Ross for the first time last night. Movie was fantastic but man does it feel icky seeing spacey in anything now
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Aug 23, 2019 11:41
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i think its possible to appreciate the art irrespective of the artist. i also can understand people who don't want to separate the two, but if it means missing out on something u think would inspire you or make u laugh or be happy then i like the former. it's also easy to say this as someone who doesn't know much about celebrities and doesn't wanna kno more...
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Aug 23, 2019 12:01
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tv5lYwO5IlU
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Aug 23, 2019 12:04
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everything you like was probably made by someone terrible. thats just how it is.
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Aug 23, 2019 12:22
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:sonicnoethicalconsumptionmeme: here is your answer op
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Aug 23, 2019 12:34
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we're getting to a point in western civilization where people start realizing it's more ethical to only read big tiddies hentai than to enjoy anything made by 99.9% of artists.
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Aug 23, 2019 13:04
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Weird Al is a saint and safe to enjoy for the whole family
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Aug 23, 2019 13:09
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Jawdins posted:Weird Al is a saint and safe to enjoy for the whole family I personally don't believe this, but someone could make an argument that many of his songs are problematic. He fat shames and food shames in some of his songs.
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Aug 23, 2019 13:11
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Is nothing sacred anymore
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Aug 23, 2019 13:14
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zapplez posted:I watched glengarry Glen Ross for the first time last night. Movie was fantastic but man does it feel icky seeing spacey in anything now Yeah. I really love Baby Driver and American Beauty, but it's hard watching both movies with Spacey in it these days.
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Aug 23, 2019 13:24
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the new chapelle specials are fantastic but supposedly he is a big jerk and we aren't supposed to laugh at him
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Aug 23, 2019 13:24
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Jawdins posted:Weird Al is a saint and safe to enjoy for the whole family just roll the windows down
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Aug 23, 2019 13:27
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Jose Oquendo posted:I personally don't believe this, but someone could make an argument that many of his songs are problematic. He fat shames and food shames in some of his songs. There's a difference between being vaguely problematic and being a pedophile. I'm not going to put someone who makes fun of fat people and someone who's a pedophile in the same ballpark. I'm also going to try my best to keep fat kids out of there too
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Aug 23, 2019 13:32
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klapman posted:There's a difference between being vaguely problematic and being a pedophile. I'm not going to put someone who makes fun of fat people and someone who's a pedophile in the same ballpark. I'm also going to try my best to keep fat kids out of there too the problem comes when you want to actually listen to good music and not 80s song parodies. there ain't a lot of non sex-pest rock stars.
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Aug 23, 2019 13:37
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Hey. Hey. OP Check this poo poo out that I recently discovered, but....but but you gotta keep it real secret, ok? There is no ethical consumption under capitalism pretty sick, right?
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Aug 23, 2019 13:46
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Someone is getting hosed somewhere. It's just how long it takes you to realize it when you buy it.
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Aug 23, 2019 13:49
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zapplez posted:
You can try, and you can find good individuals who create, but anything large scale is bound to have bad people involved somewhere. Also it's up to you to decide whether you're sanctioning their bad behavior by enjoying what they made. To compare The Simpsons (which I'll still watch and enjoy because its a group effort and afaik it was a safe environment) to something else: Dan Harmon's Community. Knowing about his gross behavior toward a female writer who rejected her boss' advances and was punished by him for it, to enjoy his show is to say that what took place in the writers room is acceptable to me. See also: John Landis doing a bunch of shady poo poo that resulted in one man and two children dying on set, Quentin Tarantino abusing Uma Thurman and causing her to crash a car on set. HOWEVER, I used Harmon as an example specifically because after the story of his misconduct on set came out he gave, in my opinion, a heartfelt apology directly to the woman he mistreated. He acknowledged his wrong behavior, recognized how it affected her, and vowed to learn from his mistakes and guilt to do better. This honesty and willingness to admit wrongdoing and commit to change goes a long way in my mind to reconcile enjoying their work while knowing they did bad things. See also: Michael Vick reversing course post-conviction to advocate for animal welfare and doing lots of good work to end dog fighting.
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Aug 23, 2019 14:04
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No, I dont think it's possible. It's really telling that you use an example like Simpsons creator like he personally handcrafted each episode like some Michelangelo. We live in a capitalist world, it's not objectively ethical no matter what.
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Aug 23, 2019 14:07
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All pieces of media are bad. But some less so than others for various reasons.
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Aug 23, 2019 14:17
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Hey OP you should go into that what was lowest point of the Simpsons thread and spoil all the fun by declaring the lowest point was when Matt Groening was a sex offender.
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Aug 23, 2019 14:26
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Ethics lmao Any pretense of morality and ethics went right out of the window the first time some protohuman decided to climb down the tree and create a society.
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Aug 23, 2019 14:34
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Creamed Cormp posted:we're getting to a point in western civilization where people start realizing it's more ethical to only read big tiddies hentai than to enjoy anything made by 99.9% of artists. It's really weird how true this is
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Aug 23, 2019 14:42
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It's ethical to consume all you want, you just can't pay for any of it
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Aug 23, 2019 14:53
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I like to consume media with a bleu cheese dip
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Aug 23, 2019 14:59
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Just roll it up (the media), add some astroglide and jam it up your rear end
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Aug 23, 2019 15:16
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zapplez posted:Now that we found out that loving Matt Groening of all people, simpsons creator, was a sex pest that partied with Epstein and got massages from teenage sex slaves, is there anyone out there that only consumes media by non-assholes? The lesson the world is trying to teach is this: everything and everyone is trash and not worthy of any praise. We're all idiot animals who deserve nothing.
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Aug 23, 2019 15:22
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Yes it is possible, just pray the rosary after you consume media that was made by a problematic person.
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Aug 23, 2019 15:34
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Colonel Cancer posted:Ethics lmao You can absolutely conduct your own life and hold others to an ethical standard. We all do it every day
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Aug 23, 2019 15:59
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i heard that roger klotz was on the flight log
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Aug 23, 2019 16:02
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Caspar Babypants is a big departure from POTUS in terms of musical style, but he seems like a safe choice for guilt free entertainment.
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Aug 23, 2019 16:03
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non-terrible creators are often the worst at least we know what we're getting into with groening, and look we got the simpsons and futurama out of it so eggs on ur face we won this trade le-mow but in all seriousness does the list never stop lol like who'd think it was this bad in hollywood
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Aug 23, 2019 16:06
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Ted Allen seems like a very good and wholesome dude
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Aug 23, 2019 16:13
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tom hanks will always be the undisputed king of being pretty plain and even-tempered outside of a successful and memorable acting/directing career
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Aug 23, 2019 16:45
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Bowie is a tough one. It's not like Woody Allen where it's easy to write him off since his movies suck.
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Aug 23, 2019 16:47
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I thought Spacey was exonerated wasn't he? Did I just completely imagine it? I swear I heard something on the radio that basically went "yeah the accuser's story was bunk, the court didn't believe it, and they found texts that basically make it clear it was a setup." Was I lucid dreaming? I mean it's not like anyone gives a poo poo I guess. Once you're accused and people decide it's true, ain't nobody who ever recovered just because a court found the accusations frivolous. Thems the breaks of the modern world.
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Aug 23, 2019 16:51
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Kazak posted:Bowie is a tough one. It's not like Woody Allen where it's easy to write him off since his movies suck. The penisist was a decent movie.
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afaik groening just got a foot massage? was there any other evidence released or is the OP a fool? we are waiting w/ bated breath for the answer
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