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ThisIsACoolGuy
Nov 2, 2010

Shaped like a friend



Acerbatus posted:

Can you summarize it because I don't think I have the fortitude to read it but I also don't want to repeat lies about it's content?

Zero is a groomer who beats women and, silences them with threats of legal action. Sky's house enables this. There's multiple underage girls that stepped forward to call him out in it.

There's some evidence that Vanessa was underage when she started dating him and being with him, but she released a statement through Omni earlier saying it's not true and any abuse/getting yelled at etc was her fault for not being stable enough.

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Ash Crimson
Apr 4, 2010


Guarantee you that sky was, to some extent, complicit in this

baka kaba
Jul 19, 2003

PLEASE ASK ME, THE SELF-PROFESSED NO #1 PAUL CATTERMOLE FAN IN THE SOMETHING AWFUL S-CLUB 7 MEGATHREAD, TO NAME A SINGLE SONG BY HIS EXCELLENT NU-METAL SIDE PROJECT, SKUA, AND IF I CAN'T PLEASE TELL ME TO
EAT SHIT



is this the blueprints house?
is it turning out that, actually, there was no that would have prevented someone from being a creep in full view of everyone else?

Hub Cat
Aug 3, 2011

Trunk Lover



baka kaba posted:

is this the blueprints house?
is it turning out that, actually, there was no that would have prevented someone from being a creep in full view of everyone else?

Reading through the lines it actually sounds like pretty much everyone in the house was in on being a creep to her.

Here is Vanessa's statement:
https://twitter.com/InfernoOmni/sta...9570963461?s=20

Hub Cat fucked around with this message at 23:33 on Jul 5, 2020

I said come in!
Jun 22, 2004




Hub Cat posted:

Reading through the lines it actually sounds like pretty much everyone in the house was in on being a creep to her.

Here is Vanessa's statement:
https://twitter.com/InfernoOmni/sta...9570963461?s=20

Ooof, that is one of those "blink twice if you're in danger" situations if I ever saw one. This is like exactly what happened with Logan Day.

Hub Cat
Aug 3, 2011

Trunk Lover



I'm not sure on the Vanessa stuff, it seems very inappropriate to include stuff about her without her consent especially about her age which is entirely rumor.

Hub Cat fucked around with this message at 00:56 on Jul 6, 2020

ThisIsACoolGuy
Nov 2, 2010

Shaped like a friend



I said come in! posted:

Ooof, that is one of those "blink twice if you're in danger" situations if I ever saw one. This is like exactly what happened with Logan Day.

I wasn't sure what to say because like, on a surface I want to respect her wishes, but after reading that he controls what people say about him with threats of legal action and abuse I'm biting my bottom lip and kind of worried.

Don't really know what can be done

Unlucky7
Jul 11, 2006

Don't worry my friends. I will be your shield.


Fallen Rib

I said come in! posted:

Ooof, that is one of those "blink twice if you're in danger" situations if I ever saw one. This is like exactly what happened with Logan Day.

ThisIsACoolGuy posted:

I wasn't sure what to say because like, on a surface I want to respect her wishes, but after reading that he controls what people say about him with threats of legal action and abuse I'm biting my bottom lip and kind of worried.

Don't really know what can be done

That is kind of where I am at too. Like Jisu should not have came forward without her blessing in the first place but...oof...

Relin
Oct 6, 2002

You have been a most worthy adversary, but in every game, there are winners and there are losers. And as you know, in this game, losers get robotizicized!

Hypocrisy posted:

https://twitter.com/JisuArtist/stat...2808748032?s=20

It's 64 pages. There are a lot of images in the doc along with link to imugur albums for easier reading.
"So to be completely honest, I donít know what Sky thinks of me. I donít know what Sky is ever thinking about (besides himself). He is so manipulative, unfeeling, and flippant that I have written him off as a psychopath."

well, duh. how big is this house?

C.M. Kruger
Oct 28, 2013


https://twitter.com/dormimir/status/1279430761418911745

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007




I mean if you know there are predators in the MB community and you're not saying anything you're kind of a shithead.

Hub Cat
Aug 3, 2011

Trunk Lover



Edit: VV Their post is the same thing but better VV
Summary for the Manifesto:A predator's narcissistic justification of how he is the real victim in abusing a child
Includes an account of their entire relationship do not read if child or abuse anything is an issue for you it's 100% not worth it

Hub Cat fucked around with this message at 07:13 on Jul 6, 2020

The REAL Goobusters
Apr 25, 2008



ImpAtom posted:

I mean if you know there are predators in the MB community and you're not saying anything you're kind of a shithead.

you should click the tweet, its a thread and it names someone.

https://twitter.com/dormimir/status/1279495866840018944

https://twitter.com/dormimir/status/1279600944469049345

https://twitter.com/dormimir/status/1279620947788492800

https://twitter.com/dormimir/status/1279865828662407168

https://twitter.com/dormimir/status/1279957498477211648

and then the guy responds with his own tweet thread:

https://twitter.com/ChocoIncognito/...930538367696897


op replies with this

https://twitter.com/dormimir/status/1279971320034283520

SirSamVimes
Jul 21, 2008






Holy poo poo his defense is "other grown men were also preying on her, therefore she's a whore"

Motto
Aug 3, 2013



I'd seen one of his tweets posted elsewhere here but jesus, he's really going in hard on that.

e: As of a half hour ago, he's still saying he was "abused" by the girl he statutorily raped

Motto fucked around with this message at 04:03 on Jul 6, 2020

Clarste
Apr 15, 2013

Just how many mistakes have you suffered on the way here?

An uncountable number, to be sure.


gently caress why. Why is everything.

Hub Cat
Aug 3, 2011

Trunk Lover



Y'all either need to read that manifesto or never ever read it.
Just absolutely hosed on every level.

Summary for the Manifesto:A predator's narcissistic justification of how he is the real victim in abusing a child

Choco creep manifesto posted:

At the beginning of our second year, about 7 months into our relationship, M ran. She went to a Safe Place. She was dragged back home after a few hours by her sister and the police. A few days later, Mís mother and stepfather (who traveled to Arizona just for this) went to the local courthouse and files an Injunction Against Harassment against me, which is essentially a restraining order. They lied all throughout the application, yet the injunction was granted. This did not mean that it was legally bindingÖ yet. The document had to be served to me by a police officer in order for it to go into effect. Since it was a minor restraining order, Mís mother and stepfather would have to pay the police for the delivery of this document. They didnít do this yet, but left it hanging over me, looming on the horizon. Seeing as I wasnít legally bound by it, I continued to see M every few days after my work ended, only meeting up in secret for 20-30 minutes at a time. This went on for months, until Mís mother caught wind of us actually communicating. To counter this from continuing, the document was served. I was immediately bound by law not to communicate with M or her stepfather.

Hub Cat fucked around with this message at 05:15 on Jul 6, 2020

Wicked Them Beats
Apr 1, 2007




https://twitter.com/ChocoIncognito/...8764149760?s=20

https://twitter.com/ChocoIncognito/...0089141248?s=20

"my textbook case of grooming isn't grooming because I presented myself as a protector to a vulnerable child who I then sexually exploited. Also I apparently don't know what grooming is"

"She smoked my weed, man. Who's the real victim here?"

Sab Sabbington
Sep 18, 2016

In my restless dreams I see that town...

Flagstaff, Arizona


Hub Cat posted:

Y'all either need to read that manifesto or never ever read it.
Just absolutely hosed on every level.

Got about 5 minutes into this loving 10k word document and am gonna say if you have any experience with trauma whatsoever you should definitely land on the never ever read it side, because jesus loving christ.

Just impossibly hosed up.

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007




Ah, my bad, sorry.

Hub Cat
Aug 3, 2011

Trunk Lover



Oh my god I was gonna make a joke about creep acting like Lolita was a self help book and welp

Creep Manifesto posted:

9. Suggested reading: Naomi (Chijin no Ai, lit. A Foolís Love), a Japanese novel by writer Junichiro Tanizaki. Itís short, easy enough to read, and provides a lot of insight into these sorts of relationships.

Shoenin
May 29, 2013

Everynight I wake up Screaming.
(and beating the dragon)

What the gently caress is this week

Clarste
Apr 15, 2013

Just how many mistakes have you suffered on the way here?

An uncountable number, to be sure.


I mean this just happens to be the time people are comfortable speaking out about this stuff, I don't think there's anything unusual about that.

What the gently caress is this society tho

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007



Shoenin posted:

What the gently caress is this week

When someone speaks up and other people see that they are believed, it gives them the confidence to speak out themselves. That's usually why you get the 'dam bursting' thing because so many people have to hide the abuse they suffered for fear of being punished.

Wicked Them Beats
Apr 1, 2007




That manifesto is narcissism.txt, goddamn. He ends it by saying he'd be willing to forgive the child he was exploiting for what she put him through. What she put him through was apparently not worshiping the ground he walked on.

Echoing the "don't read it" people. This poo poo is vile. This is right at the beginning of his story (spoilered for people who don't want to expose themselves to his disgusting prose):

quote:


I met M at a Japanese anime convention. She was very pretty to me, with a beautiful smile, good facial features, and a curvy figure that, while she had some excess weight she needed to shed in the coming years, still attracted me very much.


And it goes from there. My brain won't stop screaming and I desperately want to push this guy down the nearest flight of stairs.

Hub Cat
Aug 3, 2011

Trunk Lover



This was in a subthread
https://twitter.com/dormimir/status...3600890882?s=20
https://twitter.com/SleepyBasilisk/...3972014081?s=20

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

I may not be as cute as the other girls, but I'm the best at arm wrestling!


this might not be applicable advice given current times but next time you go outside, every sixth woman you see, statistically, is a sexual abuse survivor.

we're talking communities of thousands of thousands of people, and even with not that many women in the community, hundreds of women. this is not abnormal. the fgc, or gaming, or whatever, is not going above and beyond. this is the status quo. the only thing thats changed is that people are feeling confident enough to say it.

im not sayng this as some lol HELLWORLD thing but to try and impress upon people the scale of the problem.

DEEP STATE PLOT
Aug 13, 2008

Yes...Ha ha ha...YES!




Wicked Them Beats posted:

https://twitter.com/ChocoIncognito/...8764149760?s=20

https://twitter.com/ChocoIncognito/...0089141248?s=20

"my textbook case of grooming isn't grooming because I presented myself as a protector to a vulnerable child who I then sexually exploited. Also I apparently don't know what grooming is"

"She smoked my weed, man. Who's the real victim here?"

the sheer loving gall of this goddamn shithead, what the gently caress

Skippy McPants
Mar 19, 2009



Endorph posted:

we're talking communities of thousands of thousands of people, and even with not that many women in the community, hundreds of women. this is not abnormal. the fgc, or gaming, or whatever, is not going above and beyond. this is the status quo. the only thing thats changed is that people are feeling confident enough to say it.

When the stuff about Vic Mignogna came out I remember reading about it and being struck by how laissez-fair the entire con scene was even though we're in the Twenty--loving-teens. It really seems like every fan community is a fiefdom onto itself, and while some are careful to ensure vulnerable people are protected that is by no means a requirement, let alone a guarantee.

I can scarcely imagine a better petri dish in which predators could flourish.

DEEP STATE PLOT posted:

the sheer loving gall of this goddamn shithead, what the gently caress

Growing up, I had the misfortune of knowing several men in their mid-twenties who were at one time or another in "relationships" with teenage girls. When anyone brought this to their attention, they would all spout some variation on, "hey, she came on to me," like it was their loving catch-phrase. They twisted themselves into knots trying to portray anything even approaching a power equilibrium because they knew that misogyny had created just enough wriggle room for them to evade the consequences of their actions if they sufficiently muddy the waters.

Thankfully, this is changing, slowly. But you still see these guys leap straight into playing this poo poo off as if it's normal relationship drama and a depressing number of people still buy it, even if they wouldn't admit to it publicly in the current social climate.

Skippy McPants fucked around with this message at 07:22 on Jul 6, 2020

Skippy McPants
Mar 19, 2009



double post

Shoenin
May 29, 2013

Everynight I wake up Screaming.
(and beating the dragon)

ImpAtom posted:

When someone speaks up and other people see that they are believed, it gives them the confidence to speak out themselves. That's usually why you get the 'dam bursting' thing because so many people have to hide the abuse they suffered for fear of being punished.

Not even just this, I mean in general all around.
Its a good thing all this is coming to light no matter what.

Clarste posted:

What the gently caress is this society tho

This is much more correct.

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Ariong
Jun 25, 2012





Wicked Them Beats posted:

That manifesto is narcissism.txt, goddamn. He ends it by saying he'd be willing to forgive the child he was exploiting for what she put him through. What she put him through was apparently not worshiping the ground he walked on.

Echoing the "don't read it" people. This poo poo is vile. This is right at the beginning of his story (spoilered for people who don't want to expose themselves to his disgusting prose):


And it goes from there. My brain won't stop screaming and I desperately want to push this guy down the nearest flight of stairs.

I can think of several body parts I would give up for the opportunity to dunk this man into a toilet.

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