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"I have realized the things I said in secret and went to great lengths to hide my saying of were actually wrong, a thing I could not have realized until being exposed" is, uh, well it's not remotely a believable apology and this dude can gently caress off forever. He definitely still believes the things he was saying but hey if reading from this script is what he needs to do to satisfy the simps then so be it.
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https://twitter.com/MrBeezul/status/1277717376088195072?s=19 It's ok he didn't mean for his racist comment to be interpreted in a "racial way"
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Grapplejack posted:Nairo has completely nuked his online presence https://twitter.com/Samsora_/status/1278598782809190402?s=20
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Jul 2, 2020 17:43
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ThisIsACoolGuy posted:https://twitter.com/TeamRegenGG/status/1278745627065823234 Goddamn that they didn't already have these. They just let children hang out with drunk adult strangers with no oversight? No wonder this was happening. And of course the gross nerd contingent is in the comments going "what's wrong with my ahegao hoodie???"
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Jesus I hadn't even checked his age. He was 29. How do you find yourself in that situation and not protect the child from their own dumb choices or, at the very least, realize you're pushing thirty and find some goddamn adults to drink with instead. What a piece of poo poo.
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Jul 3, 2020 00:37
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She doesn't have screens of the worst allegations but what she does have shows pretty obvious grooming. Tweet comments full of internet detectives trying to prove that it's fake because it has the wrong Windows taskbar or something.
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Jul 3, 2020 17:41
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ThisIsACoolGuy posted:E2: Is there anything that can be done about Sky? It feels like 90% of these stories took place at his house and he just deflects with 'man i dunno how it keeps happening at my place nothin I could of done'. You ban him from events. These aren't courts of law, you don't need to meet some reasonable doubt standard or anything, so you go "hey this guy has been enabling lovely/sexist/illegal behavior and we don't want that in our community." If you feel some overwhelming need to be "fair," you can make it a probationary thing where he can come back in two or three years so long as there hasn't been any more accusations or misconduct. Pretty obvious these communities need to clean house, and the creeper-adjacent people should probably get swept out along with the rest just to be safe.
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Jul 3, 2020 18:44
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ThisIsACoolGuy posted:Don't do this, it's very stupid. No, they're right. You need to give accusers the benefit of the doubt. You are not a judge, you are not a lawyer, this is not a court of law, and we are not determining whether or not someone is going to prison. So all of the "innocent until proven guilty" bullshit doesn't remotely apply, and you need to not jump to immediately questioning the accuser because they didn't follow what you personally believe is the ideal script for sharing their trauma. Women don't accuse randomly for no reason. They face significant further trauma and abuse when they come out about these things, and the least you can do is hear them openly and not start ripping into their story, even if you don't want to believe what they're saying because of positive associations with the accused.
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Jul 3, 2020 20:31
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ThisIsACoolGuy posted:Which is why I've believed everyone that's come forth first and foremost. I've never defended Nairo, D1, Keitaro literally any of the people that got outed because I want to stand with victims. I don't think it's wrong to find some accusations suspect because people can lie. Yes, a clear statement saying "this did not happen" would be your defense. Then people can choose who they want to believe or someone can produce evidence, which could be witnesses, further accusations, screenshots/photos/video, etc. In this case, further accusations emerged, likely as a result of the first accuser creating space where additional people felt it would be safe for them to speak up. Space that gets shut down if we start pecking at the accuser and going "hey this is weird" or "hey why did you put this meme image here, it makes your accusation suspect." And yes people can lie, but people generally don't lie about these sorts of things. There is almost never anything to gain from doing so.
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Jul 3, 2020 20:43
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Endorph posted:And again, your only reason for thinking the accusation is 'suspect' is that it was flippant and vague. Imagine if you had to express one of the most traumatic things to ever happen to you for the internet, so they could then tear you apart viciously and threaten to murder you, say you deserve to be raped, try and find your address, try and ruin your life. So many stories of police officers not believing rape victims because they were either too emotional or not emotional enough or not emotional in the right way. A cop going "I saw her sitting with her friend in the waiting room and laughing about something, and her ability to laugh is proof she wasn't victimized," because apparently if you aren't a shattered shell of a human being and wearing your trauma for the whole world to see, you're just a liar pulling a fast one in order to... waste police resources? They never can explain the motivation for the lie. It's really despicable and watching it happen again and again is frustrating. People express trauma differently and they might approach it in a way that appears odd. But being weird doesn't mean someone wasn't a victim.
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Jul 3, 2020 20:53
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ThisIsACoolGuy posted:There's always the chance of petty grudges and wanting to see people fail. Right now in the FGC there's a colossal number of people begging for callout posts in regards to SonicFox just because he's a furry. I'm just kind of waiting at this point for someone to try to drag him because man people are desperate for it. First, I believe SonicFox's pronouns are "they/them." It's been mentioned in the thread previously. Second, the reason we're piling onto you a bit is because your language is VERY close to the same stuff that always gets used to berate and demean victims when they come forward. It's always in the guise of "I'm just asking questions" but the intent is to smear or discredit the victim. Your previous posts aren't too different from what I've seen people post about Tara Reade when trying to defend Joe Biden. It's the same script. I would ask that you stop being on the victim's side for "right now." Be on the victim's side until you have concrete reason to believe they aren't a victim. Provide the victim the benefit of the doubt and be on their side from the get-go, because what they're doing is dangerous and frightening and they need the support. And if you find you can't be supportive, then honestly the best thing for you to do is to be quiet while things hash out.
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Jul 3, 2020 21:01
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I think it's a bit weird to worry about #believewomen turning into some alt-right conspiracy to own the left. If they were capable of this they would have done it by now. The reality is that getting people to make false accusations is a steep hill to climb, and false accusations usually fall apart pretty fast. People aren't going around accusing people of crimes that never happened just to get them canceled, despite several years of listening to people claim that that is the next stop on the slippery slope.
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https://twitter.com/ChocoIncognito/status/1279945688764149760?s=20 https://twitter.com/ChocoIncognito/status/1279955760089141248?s=20 "my textbook case of grooming isn't grooming because I presented myself as a protector to a vulnerable child who I then sexually exploited. Also I apparently don't know what grooming is" "She smoked my weed, man. Who's the real victim here?"
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Jul 6, 2020 05:09
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That manifesto is narcissism.txt, goddamn. He ends it by saying he'd be willing to forgive the child he was exploiting for what she put him through. What she put him through was apparently not worshiping the ground he walked on. Echoing the "don't read it" people. This poo poo is vile. This is right at the beginning of his story (spoilered for people who don't want to expose themselves to his disgusting prose): quote:
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Jul 6, 2020 05:47
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ErrEff posted:He just makes it worse every time he posts something. "Excuse me your honor, as these chatlogs clearly show, when I engaged in sexual relations with this 15 year old girl at the age of 24, she was clearly coming onto me and furthemore-" *10,000 word diatribe cut off as defense attorney tackles him to the ground and clamps hand over his mouth* Looking forward to hearing he fired his lawyer when the lawyer refuses to file a countersuit for the cost of the weed she smoked.
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Jul 6, 2020 16:22
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I said come in! posted:Exactly, the law doesn't consider those arguments, both legally, and morally/ethically, children can't consent. The courts in the U.S. will only ever see it as the adult is the sole source of reason and consent, so anything even remotely sexual that happens is considered statutory rape and is punished pretty severely. You would think, huh? Unfortunately there are a lot of judges out there happy to tell on themselves and err on the side of leniency because, really, that 12 year old was dressed pretty provocatively. And it wouldn't take me much effort to find quotes from judges arguing that the young girls were clearly the "aggressors" in the relationships, so really it wouldn't be fair to judge the man too harshly, because who could resist the wiles of a child in a short skirt? No man here, thinks the judge. Granted his defense of "I did it, but it was her fault" would still likely end in conviction, but there are decent odds he'd get probation and a stern warning not to repeat the mistakes of his youth (youthful mistakes for white men are permitted until the age of 45 or so).
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Jul 6, 2020 17:08
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Ariong posted:“My only crime was failing to stop the sexual advances of a child! Does that not make ME the victim?” He's got less than 200 followers so he doesn't have the built in White Knight crew that some of the others have. Compared to that Zero guy who has over 300k followers he's basically a nobody.
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ErrEff posted:$200 for a controller with porn on it. Yeah, I think you can actually get those for cheaper than that. A whole bunch of them are saying the moaning animes covered in semen aren't suggestive or pornographic because the dicks are cropped out of the images. That sure is some logic there. lol at "it affects my play competitively." Dude has been exclusively practicing on his weird porn controller. Presumably training to play one-handed.
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Studio posted:A lot of the Smash stuff happened at Sky's house, and someone just posted a description and holy poo poo https://twitter.com/KingOfLepers/status/1280242613447254026?s=20 what is loving wrong with these people, why are they like this, what has Nintendo wrought
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There's a pretty sizeable incel/chud crew on this one demanding to know why she would stay in an abusive situation for multiple days as a naive 18 year old abandoned by her husband, and claiming that she's making it all up to cover for her infidelity. loving disgusting.
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kilus aof posted:There are a lot of Sam fans. Ones that spent 6 years supporting him and dunking on Deb/Tolki. Can someone tell me who Sam is so I don't accidentally follow them in the future or something. Like is their handle literally just "Sam"
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https://twitter.com/iamaSamuelson/status/1280793981312331779?s=20 lol dummy gave Sky $55k to gamble and fix his dad's dick and his loan contract is in the form of chat logs Goddamn just a cavalcade of monsters and morons.
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ImpAtom posted:It would be a very nice thing if we could not turn the thread about discussing horrific sexual abuse in the game industry into a discussion about the legal age of squid children, thanks. I dunno, the way weirdos come in and try to sexualize what should be generally non-sexual spaces is definitely related to the issues at hand. There's a lot of stuff that might have gotten called out at the time if weird poo poo like ahegao clothing wasn't normalizing a certain, for lack of a better word, deviant atmosphere. Someone coming into a thread about speed running to let everyone know how horny they are for the video game protagonists on screen is part and parcel of that. A chipping at the edges of the acceptable that eventually permits greater abuses if left to go unchecked. Also there's not really a debate about if it's ok to sexualize video game characters who are minors. It's not.
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klapman posted:"Deviant" is not for lack of a better word, everything you've just typed couldn't be closer to the broken windows theory if you tried. The poo poo that leads to rape isn't weirdos wearing porn shirts, it's people in power raping kids and those not in power being too afraid to speak up about it. You can try and block off every single avenue of social interaction that leads to rape, but so long as people do not call out rapists all the hand wringing in the world won't save any of these people. I'm saying that letting a community develop an environment where stuff like that is normalized can lead to people who might otherwise speak out when they see abuses keep quiet for fear of being the odd one out. "I mean, everyone else is being super horny and laughing, so..." kind of stuff. The weirdos wearing porn shirts are one more element providing a cover for the abuse. They're banning ahegao clothing and paraphernalia at future events for a reason. And comparing it to broken windows policing is stupid. The purpose of broken windows policing is to provide police greater opportunity to harass minorities under the theory that if you round up all the graffiti taggers (read: all the non-white people) you'll get a safer community. Please explain what minority I'm targeting when I say that normalizing child pornography in a community might help normalize sexual abuse of children in that same community. "First they came for my ahegao hoodies, but I did not speak out..."
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I reread my original post and it does look like I'm saying porn is a direct cause of events, but that is not my intention. I do agree that it is more a symptom than a cause. Though I do think these sorts of things can be used as a way to push boundaries within a community, feeding back into and helping normalize worse behaviors. I agree that the primary issue is power dynamics and that these communities that form around games lack in safeguards to protect the vulnerable.
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a cartoon duck posted:also this "deviancy" talk rings awfully close to the whole "being gay and trans is deviant, it leads to raping children and men following women into locker rooms", so it turns out some people aren't that loving keen on that line of argumentation I am talking about people who post porn up in their living room to harass the women in eyesight or people posting child porn in speed run threads, you know the things we have been discussing in the thread, not trying to get an angle to really take down LGBT people once and for all. Calling out Splatoon porn isn't anti-trans. If your argument is that the word deviant is troubling I'll be happy to Google a synonym. Edit: Abusive would work in its place, I guess. Harassing is probably better since it captures what the ultimate point of the ahegao et al stuff is really attempting to do (also my phone now recognizes ahegao as a valid autocomplete term and I find that unsettling). Wicked Them Beats fucked around with this message at 20:43 on Jul 9, 2020 |
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baka kaba posted:"deviant" is a bad word because it implies you're bad for diverging from "normal" and yeah, that's sure got a history Yeah that's fair, I'll cop to using a triggering term. I am tired and didn't take the time to find a better word and I apologize to anyone who was upset.
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Zongerian posted:You can just call them pedophiles like any normal person does Good advice. Even has the bonus of someone trying to argue that they're, ahem, an ephebophile, and trap sprung at that point.
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I wouldn't be surprised if Waffle drafted something longer and the lawyer whittled it down to something less damning. Basically a lawyer trying to salvage a client who is insisting on making a public statement.
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I'm not seeing anything particularly exonerating in what he's released? Going just off of the chatlogs provided: her freaking out about his viewers flirting with him doesn't have anything to do with her claims, and her wanting some property back and getting aggressive about it when he repeatedly told her it was his now (even though he'd apparently thrown it out) doesn't mean her claims are false. Not really seeing a "smoking gun" either way here, but these things usually devolve into exactly this sort of he said she said stuff, and "my ex who is claiming abuse is CRAZY, y'all" isn't exactly a novel defense. Really, all the chatlogs he's released seem to prove is that they're two people who definitely shouldn't have been in a relationship together.
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Hub Cat posted:Is his video a giant character assassination of her? Because I don't want to watch if so it's just going to make me assume he did it since his first defense was character assassination. That's basically what it is, yes. Some history of what was obviously an unhealthy relationship for both of them but mostly just attempting to discredit her by painting her as insecure and vindictive, with the implication that she was making up the accusation as a tool to extract concessions from him (the concession being return of some property he was pretending to have in his possession).
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Legitimately surprised. Also makes me think that there is somehow even worse stuff that hasn't come to light yet and they're trying to get ahead of it.
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Goddamn that's egregious. Completely rotten from the top to the bottom, and the article suggests their recent layoffs are as much a response to the scandal as they are clearing out weak performers, since recent titles have been poorly received. They're filling the vacant positions with other friends and family who are probably just as vile.
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double nine posted:So just from a theoretical point of view, how do you fix this except by firing everyone who has the smallest piece of authority or rank and restarting the company from scratch? Basically that. You need to have the leadership all piss off, replace them wherever possible with women and POC from the ranks, and then set requirements for future promotion and advancement that are based on performance metrics and reviews instead of just letting managers elevate their drinking buddies. Also never again let a husband/wife team act as management and HR, jesus loving christ why would you do that. What they'll actually do: fire a couple sacrificial pawns (check), shuffle a few other people around (check), make a big show of hiring an outside party to make "recommendations" that you swear will definitely be implemented sometime during the next fiscal year (in progress), hope that no one follows up to see if you actually did anything (fingers crossed!).
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A graphic rape scene appearing in a game is the sort of thing that would make me put down the controller and turn the game off on the spot, and I haven't suffered sexual violence. I don't even want to imagine how a rape survivor would process getting blindsided by something like that. And it reads like they wanted it to be a surprise so anyone who doesn't scour ESRB ratings in advance would be completely caught off guard.
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Mega Comrade posted:Wasn't the Last of Us 2 described as "the Schindler's list" of video games? A line so offensive and funny at the same time which almost perfectly encapsulates the issue. It's always hard to tell if those sorts of lines are written by games journalists because they're desperate for games to be considered on the same level as film or because they know writing something so incredibly stupid will generate clicks. Recall Bioshock Infinite and "forget asking when gaming will have its Citizen Kane. When will anything else have a Bioshock Infinite???" As if Bioshock Infinite wasn't the most surface level, banal satire one could make about American politics shoved haphazardly inbetween mediocre gameplay. EC posted:I would love to see bigger game sites like Kotaku and Giant Bomb stop covering Ubisoft games totally....but of course they're not because Assassin's Creed gets clicks. :/ At best instead of articles like "Wow, Assassin's Creed is the best game of 20XX!! Blew me away! 10/10!" you'll get "Can Assassin's Creed redeem Ubisoft in the eyes of the fans? Well this is a good first step! 10/10!"
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